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Turkey's belonging to Europe has always been in doubt because of political narrow-mindedness of certain leaders of parties and movements. They forget that European community differs by cultural and ethnic variety of nations that are united by common economic concerns and human values. However, Europeans more than once managed to successfully stand against isolationist trends, for Europe is first of all an equal union of states where supremacy of a single party member or single ideology is totally inappropriate.

For a good while, Germany has been an example of a political force that places its concerns and ideas of democracy above all in the policy of the European Union. This country with the totalitarian past strains after switching the present EU into a gathering of biased chauvinists who screen out candidates on the grounds of religious affiliation and personal antipathy.

Not long ago, Minister for foreign affairs of Germany Sigmar Gabriel uttered an "envenomed" diatribe and was emphatic about closing doors to Turkey's accession to the EU. He highly subjectively interpreted the politics of Turkish government and international relations of that country. All that was delivered under the guise of all-European vision on Turkey.

However, as it turned out, there are sensible actors within the European Union who resist the pressure of Germany. So, after the abrupt reply to these insinuations, Turkish Minister of European Union affairs Ömer Çelik received a tender message from Polish MEPs with words of support and promise to provide assistance in soonest accession of Turkey to the EU.

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As you know, Poland wields as much influence and favor in Europe as Germany does. That's the second year already that the country holds summits modeled on the Intermarium concept to solve important economic and defense issues. That's the country which opinion is considered in Central Europe, South-Eastern Europe and Baltic states. Fair knowledge of history of postwar recovery of Europe and clear understanding of the current situation gives Turkey reason to rely on a rising tide of nearly extinct interest in struggling for membership in the European Union.

Because of hostile attitude of German politicians and their stooges, nowadays the idea of accessing the EU became unpopular among Turks facing strongly negative response more and more often. Poland gave hope not only to Turks who have gone the longest way to integration into the EU, but also to Europeans as it gave a lead in a conduct of a civilized country being unaffected by arbitrary behavior of self-proclaimed kinglings who undermine the very principle of democracy and abuse basic European fundamentals.

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Hope for Turkish people ? I dont know whether you live in Turkiye or not Turkish people gives no fck about EU. I have never seen a Turkish person in Turkiye talks about EU. Just the opposite big part of Turkish people does not like EU countries. Its just a political move of Turkish govt to have more opportunities related to trade issues with EU market.

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Turkey's accession into EU faces many multi faceted challenges as the European power houses namely Germany and France (UK debateable with the Brexit looming) do not recognise Turkey as part of Europe. 95% of Turkey lies in Asia Minor. With a majority a strong Muslim country and therein the remaining 5% (Istanbul) lying on the hub EU uses the Turkey's accession only as a bargaining power for negotiations. Cultural values of Turkey is different from Europe. It doesn't matter what support other countries like Poland put behind Turkey's EU membership as they do not have the economic and political influence in Europe like Germans do....Besides the Poles may be facing different challenges with big boys which is why they show solidarity with Turkey....That is of course based on an opinion formed after talking to many many French or Germans. 

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I was of the opinion the Poland was giving Germany the middle finger over refugees. 

If Poland and the other nations that are not taking refugees start talking to Turkey about an alliance it would dramatically shift economic power away from the EU. Combined with the strained relationship with the U.S. and the U.K I think we will see some compromises.

 

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Poland is using the EU to advance its own needs as any sane country would do. They are very nimbyish about bad things as refugees, yes refugees are a bad thing, but very fond of EU-handouts.

I wish our Finnish politicians like of those Polish politicians. We are doing things exactly the other way round. We welcome all the refugees and open our purses to bail out the Greeks.(ie.German and French banks)

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The thread starter comes from:

https://www.medium.com/@AltanYavuz/poland-will-support-turkeys-accession-to-the-eu-83ab8ac17cf3

Now whether the above is actually an individual or just a front for another one of Erdogan's government propaganda web sites who the phack cares but

its interesting the OTHER spokesperson for Turkey on this forum has taken umbrage with this post.

How could that be. Do we have a Turk v. Turk dispute? Yegads. People show unity for the motherland. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Turkey has no chance whatsoever of getting into the EU. None. Zip. ZERO. It is an autocratic dictatorship that jails more journalists than just about anywhere on earth and no rule of law. And Poland is going batshit over the thought of taking in a few Muslim refugees. It certainly isn't going to invite Turkey into the EU so that all those Turks can legally flood into Poland.

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Actually its weird. Poland has to be one of the most anti Muslim nations on the earth when it comes to refugees. On the other hand it  has had a long relationship with Turkey even though 500 years ago or so it had a big war with the Ottoman Empire. Its a weird relationship.

The practical reality though is the article is crap gov, propaganda. Spain, Greece and the bankrupt Italy not to mention Ireland, have sick economies dragging the EU down and therefore the last thing Germany which carries the EU can afford is to take o n Turkey. Let's also not forget both Germany and France have no time of day with Turkey as both leaders consider Erdogan a mad man.

Bottom line, Erdogan's flip flopping on alliances with Russia and Iran, , fascism, paranoia, continuing slaughter of Kurds, continuing on-going hostility with Greece, Germany and France do not exactly make him someone they would want to deal with.

Add to that Hungary and Holland are not Erdogan supporters neither is Belgium. There is zero benefit to a Turkish membership in EU other than to bring in a megalomaniac extremism Muslim whose views run in direct contradiction to democracies. 

So like you said, it aint happen. The article made the dumb comment that Poland has the same influence in the EU as Germany. That right there shows its a ridiculous Turkish gov. mouthpiece article. The article was clearly anti German. Did Turkey really think they could insult Markel and waltz into the EU because of Poland simply because Poland is a traditional enemy of Germany and does not trust it? Fat chance. Poland has no economic clout to call any shot and bring in yet another economically destitute nation let alone one with some Muslim extremist nut case leader allied with Putin.

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On 13.9.2017 at 0:33 AM, Argus said:

Turkey has no chance whatsoever of getting into the EU. None. Zip. ZERO. It is an autocratic dictatorship that jails more journalists than just about anywhere on earth and no rule of law. And Poland is going batshit over the thought of taking in a few Muslim refugees. It certainly isn't going to invite Turkey into the EU so that all those Turks can legally flood into Poland.

If Merkel says it is OK for Turkey to join and if Macron agrees that is all that is needed.

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Turkey can blackmail Europe with the refugees or reversely bribe Europe by stopping the flow of refugees into Europe.

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1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Turkey can blackmail Europe with the refugees or reversely bribe Europe by stopping the flow of refugees into Europe.

If you were doing your duty and responsiblities, we would not have to "blackmail" anyone, we just remind you your responsiblities. All the World countries should accept refugees in proportion to their land width and wealth. In this sense, if we think there are about 65 million refugees, US alone have to accept about 4 million refugees. Turkiye have to accept 250.000, Canada have to accept 4 million, China 4 million, Finland 125.000...

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On 9/13/2017 at 7:08 PM, -TSS- said:

If Merkel says it is OK for Turkey to join and if Macron agrees that is all that is needed.

Admitting a new EU member requires a unanimous vote among existing members.

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Yes yes in formality but in reality what France and Germany agree between themselves is what happens.

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