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I'll move this over to a thread because I don't want a notification every time someone posts in my status update. 

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/reevely-ontario-to-forbid-anti-abortion-protests-near-clinics-homes-of-providers

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Ontario will ban anti-abortion protests near clinics that provide abortions, near pharmacies that dispense pregnancy-ending pills and near the homes of people who work in any of those places, Attorney General Yasir Naqvi announced Wednesday.

“They will just have to call the police and the police will take care of the rest,” Naqvi said at a clinic specializing in women’s health in Toronto.

He was moved to act after complaints that regular protests outside The Morgentaler Clinic on Bank Street, Ottawa’s one standalone abortion clinic, had escalated into outright harassment and a woman’s being spit on.

“Patients have a right to access abortion services with their privacy maintained,” Naqvi said.

The law, if the legislature passes it, will create automatic 50-metre “bubble zones” around Ontario’s eight standalone abortion clinics where protests will be forbidden; the government will have the power to shrink the zones or expand them to 150 metres by ministerial order.

 

You know what? I don't think this is a particularly harsh law. But I'm sure the government in question wouldn't ban any other form of peaceful protest. 

What upsets me about this is how this government opens the issue when the opposition doesn't want any part of it. They so want to tar and feather Patrick Brown as a Social Conservative that will take away the rights of women that they would try to goad him into a debate about this. 

Here's what Brown said. 

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“Let me be very clear: I am pro-choice. That includes protecting women exercising their rights from intimidation or harassment,” the statement says.

Brown, who had a sterling anti-abortion voting record as a federal Conservative member of Parliament, accused the Liberals of trying to bait him into talking about social issues instead of “creating good jobs, relief for beleaguered middle-class families, and closing the door on waste and corruption.”

Only Premier Kathleen Wynne wants a divisive argument about abortion, Brown said.

Please recognize this for what it is. A distraction from how awful and unpopular the Ontario Liberals are. 

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18 minutes ago, Boges said:

You know what? I don't think this is a particularly harsh law. But I'm sure the government in question wouldn't ban any other form of peaceful protest. 

Agree on both points.  But this isn't a 'ban' as far as I can tell.  

 

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

Please recognize this for what it is. A distraction from how awful and unpopular the Ontario Liberals are. 

I never thought about that but I think you are right.

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9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Agree on both points.  But this isn't a 'ban' as far as I can tell.  

If you want to have an effective protest, you'd want to have people that may do the thing you're protesting able to see it. I'm pretty sure laws already exist for harassment.

It would be like forcing people that are protesting the US to go several blocks away from the US Consulate. What purpose would that serve? 

 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

If you want to have an effective protest, you'd want to have people that may do the thing you're protesting able to see it. I'm pretty sure laws already exist for harassment.

I don't think we said the G20 protest in Toronto was 'banned' although they restricted protest to a park far away from the event.

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

It would be like forcing people that are protesting the US to go several blocks away from the US Consulate. What purpose would that serve? 

The G20 was more than several blocks away.  I don't expect people are allowed 50m from the G20 sites either.

But I think the distance thing is quibbling.  The 2nd level chess game is whether or how Patrick Brown responds.

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9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But I think the distance thing is quibbling.  The 2nd level chess game is whether or how Patrick Brown responds.

He did respond. He said that no one wants this. And affirmed that he's Pro Choice. He has a Pro Life voting history but all serious Conservative politicians know that opening the debate about Abortion is a non-starter in Canada now. It's only Liberal politicians that continue to want to talk about it. 

It'll be interesting to see how the Liberals try to make this stick to him. 

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

It'll be interesting to see how the Liberals try to make this stick to him. 

By 'how', I assume you mean how they spin this.  I don't think it will be interesting at all.  I think it will be as dull as watching a dog eat Alpo.  

Will it work ?  I doubt it.

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Though the PCs are still well ahead in the polls, policy has been scarce. Many people predict another Liberal win because the population is so easily scared and the Ontario economy has improved as Oil and the dollar stay relatively low. 

The past two leaders have been taken a part by unpopular policy proposals. We'll have to wait until the election campaign. It's foolish to reveal a platform with several months to go. If anything is good the Liberals will just adopt it themselves. 

The big issue isn't this, it's the proposal to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. That's a pretty drastic move considering it's currently at less than $12. But that's for another thread. 

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49 minutes ago, Boges said:

The big issue isn't this, it's the proposal to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. That's a pretty drastic move considering it's currently at less than $12. But that's for another thread. 

No - the big issue is credibility of the government.  Wynne is outright hated by many, and is still weighed down by a couple of big scandals.  

Any government that can offer fiscal responsibility, unity, and improved services in a credible way wins.

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

He did respond. He said that no one wants this. And affirmed that he's Pro Choice. He has a Pro Life voting history but all serious Conservative politicians know that opening the debate about Abortion is a non-starter in Canada now. It's only Liberal politicians that continue to want to talk about it. 

It'll be interesting to see how the Liberals try to make this stick to him. 

Today the PCs tried to turn the tables on the Liberals. They said they agreed with buffer zones around abortion clinics and the homes of related workers. The PCs agreed that legislation be passed today. Wouldn't you know the Liberals put on the brakes and said "not so fast". Of course, this move by the Liberals is to ensure abortion continues to be discussed in order to paint the PCs as anti-abortionists. How transparent of the Liberals to play this card hoping to increase its popularity.

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The PCs put forward a motion Thursday morning to pass the bill immediately, but the Liberals refused. 

"While we will advocate for swift passage, we believe that healthcare professionals, women's groups and other advocates should have the opportunity to review the bill and provide input to strengthen the bill during the committee process," said a statement from Attorney General Yasir Naqvi.

The PCs are accusing Naqvi of hypocrisy because when he unveiled the bill on Wednesday, he said the government had already consulted widely during its drafting. 

"Let's call it what it is, it's wedge politics," said Progressive Conservative MPP Lisa MacLeod, who proposed the motion to pass the bill in one swift step.

"If they really wanted  to put women's safety first, then they would have either done this when the issue started arising over a year ago or they would have accepted my unanimous consent request and passed the motion today," said MacLeod. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/abortion-clinic-safe-zones-ontario-liberal-pc-1.4341113

In addition to getting caught engaging in wedge politics, the Ontario Liberals look positively amateurish for claiming they need to consult interest groups after tabling draft legislation.

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7 minutes ago, capricorn said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/abortion-clinic-safe-zones-ontario-liberal-pc-1.4341113

In addition to getting caught engaging in wedge politics, the Ontario Liberals look positively amateurish for claiming they need to consult interest groups after tabling draft legislation.

They are so bad they actually thought Brown would fall for this? Brown is under attack from the Social conservative side of his party. He knows addressing this issue is vote loser. 

Bravo Mr. Brown! 

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What exactly is a pro-life voting record in federal government these days?

 

Does that mean he voted to consider a study to determine if research should be done to assess collecting data on late-term abortions and/or sex-selective abortions. That's about as pro-life as one can vote these days. 

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