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3 hours ago, Doug1943 said:

The interesting question is, what does this shocking execution say about what is happening internally in Iran?

I have no inside information sources, nor any real specialist knowledge, but my first thought was -- regime in trouble, and trying to put the frighteners on the opposition. Or may some internal split among the gangsters and mullahs?

 

I've no idea what the wider significance of this is, if any. His was one of many executions carried out for demonstrating against the regime. The other victims were less newsworthy. As often happens, a ridiculous confession was televised after torture; the message to the Iranian public seems to be, we know you think this is false but we decide what is real in this country. I suspect the mullahs are safe for now. Like China, Iran has been ruled by authoritarians for thousands of years with very few interruptions. One hope is that the next Supreme Leader will confine himself largely to matters spiritual and give civil society some chance to grow. The corresponding Shia cleric in Iraq, Sistani, has done just that. 

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Further evidence that the people running Iran are idiots who can’t see the right fights to pick:

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The whole country was proud of the first ever female winner of the Fields Medal in mathematics:

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A small war has broken out on Iran’s border between Azerbaijan and Armenia in the Armenian-majority enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh. Turkey is openly supporting Azerbaijan whereas Armenia’s allies are more discreet. Russia may be arming both sides, small Soviet republics in the good old days, but has closer ties with Armenia historically. The other ally may come as a surprise to some. Iran supported Armenia in the original N-G war of 1988-1994 and is now denying, i.e. confirming, that trucks passing into Armenia are bringing arms. Azerbaijan has developed a close relationship with Israel. Quite the pickle. 

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Just to go even more off-topic for a moment, here's an alarming development:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/armenia-recalls-ambassador-from-israel-over-arms-sales-to-azerbaijan-1.9202125

If true, that's a risky favour for Azerbaijan against an embattled Christian country and could cause problems in Washington...when they can notice what's going on in the world again. 

 

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The ME and Caucasus throw up strange teams. This time it's Israel and Turkey versus Russia and Iran. As for the core players, compromise is the only sensible path. When the dust settles in the mountains and everyone else has moved on, they'll still be stuck with each other. 

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Wasn't it Bismarck ... or someone .. who said that the next big war would be set off by "some damned thing in the Balkans"?

What the USA should do is to get together with the Russians, the Turks, and the Israelis -- probably too much to ask the Iranians, but that would be good if it were possible -- and say: "No one wants a real war. So let's come up with some compromise."

Now I know ZERO about Ngorno-Karabakh, but presumably, we've got Armenians living in what the Azeris claim is their territory.  So ... what about dividing it, with the Armenians paying the Azeris (ie Uncle Sucker doing it) compensation, and the Armenians on the wrong side of the border moving to the Armenian-controlled part..

Of course ... really, Armenians and Azeris should all mix together in one polity, because, as our Lefty friends tell us: "Diversity is Strength!"

 

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On 10/3/2020 at 3:36 PM, Doug1943 said:

Now I know ZERO about Ngorno-Karabakh, but presumably, we've got Armenians living in what the Azeris claim is their territory.  So ... what about dividing it, with the Armenians paying the Azeris (ie Uncle Sucker doing it) compensation, and the Armenians on the wrong side of the border moving to the Armenian-controlled part..

Of course ... really, Armenians and Azeris should all mix together in one polity, because, as our Lefty friends tell us: "Diversity is Strength!"

 

Same knowledge base here. What does strike me is the weariness of the two sides at the lower levels that do the suffering. Many Azeris are sceptical of this war, seeing it as an attempt by a ruthless autocrat to divert attention from an economy in serious trouble. To their credit, neither side seems motivated by religious zealotry but reports that Erdoğan has sent Syrian rebel fighters to the front are disturbing if true. 

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On 9/15/2020 at 2:51 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Further evidence that the people running Iran are idiots who can’t see the right fights to pick:


The whole country was proud of the first ever female winner of the Fields Medal in mathematics:

 

 

 

Maryam Mirkhani wasn't just any female winner. She was an icon and contributed tremendously in the field of mathematics

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On 10/1/2020 at 4:21 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

A small war has broken out on Iran’s border between Azerbaijan and Armenia in the Armenian-majority enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh. Turkey is openly supporting Azerbaijan whereas Armenia’s allies are more discreet. Russia may be arming both sides, small Soviet republics in the good old days, but has closer ties with Armenia historically. The other ally may come as a surprise to some. Iran supported Armenia in the original N-G war of 1988-1994 and is now denying, i.e. confirming, that trucks passing into Armenia are bringing arms. Azerbaijan has developed a close relationship with Israel. Quite the pickle. 

Azerbaijan is an oil rich country with natural resources. That plays an important role in the oil pipeline from Baku via Ceyhan in Turkey to western Europe. So much about "brotherly love".... 

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On 10/1/2020 at 4:21 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

A small war has broken out on Iran’s border between Azerbaijan and Armenia in the Armenian-majority enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh. Turkey is openly supporting Azerbaijan whereas Armenia’s allies are more discreet. Russia may be arming both sides, small Soviet republics in the good old days, but has closer ties with Armenia historically. The other ally may come as a surprise to some. Iran supported Armenia in the original N-G war of 1988-1994 and is now denying, i.e. confirming, that trucks passing into Armenia are bringing arms. Azerbaijan has developed a close relationship with Israel. Quite the pickle. 

Close relationship is supplying arms to Azerbaijan and getting paid generously. 

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On 10/3/2020 at 6:35 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

The ME and Caucasus throw up strange teams. This time it's Israel and Turkey versus Russia and Iran. As for the core players, compromise is the only sensible path. When the dust settles in the mountains and everyone else has moved on, they'll still be stuck with each other. 

Azerbaijan Republic< Armenia and parts of Georgia were all part of Persian empire and conceded in Russo/ Persian wars. Every country in the region has a vested interest. I agree in essence the best route is a diplomatic one. Armenia's position as a minority Christian country in a hostile neighbourhood is tricky. Even their Orthodox Georgian cousins have their backs turned on them.

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Here’s a rare good news story:

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A new policy allowing Iranian women to pass down their citizenship to their children marks a long-sought victory for activists and is raising hopes for an estimated 1 million undocumented children born to foreign fathers in the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-women-refugees-rights-citizenship/2020/12/24/0b5f74b0-445d-11eb-ac2a-3ac0f2b8ceeb_story.html

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Now that Trump is gone what is in store for Iran?

When Trump was elected in the US (the only remaining superpower) Iran nation was encouraged at first that this election may be the beginning of an end to the dreadful nightmarish regime of mullahs in Iran. Encourage by his election and apparent tough stand against this murderous Islamic regime, they poured into streets of many Iranian cities unarmed and defenseless against the murderous islamic regime's security forces in TWO separate occasions calling for support and removal of this murderous regime. Thousands were shot dead by mullah's security forces and thousands more put in jails and subjected to torture and executions. They saw nothing but words from Trump and his administration. Nothing changed from the timid Obama administration who also stood by and watched Iranians being murdered, beaten and tortured in previous anti-islamic regime uprising by Iranian masses. Trump even indicated negotiations and compromise with what he had worded only months before as murderous regime and imposed ridiculous sanctions on Iran nation which only increased hardship on poor Iranians and the nation as a whole but created a black-market which only benefited the dirty fat mullahs in power and their murderous corrupt security forces.

Now with spineless compromising democrats back in power what is next for Iran and its long time suffering nation?

Well Iran nation knows now that they cannot count on foreign powers anymore. Foreign interventions have brought nothing but destruction to this country and its nation. The most recent examples are Soviet attempt to separate Iranians provinces in 1946, British and US inspired military coup in 1953 and US backed islamic coup in 1979 which brought this murderous regime to power. Iran nation knows that any change of regime must come from within and made by Iranians. Foreign military invasion would have likely changed this murderous regime and replaced by another but also would have cost many thousands of innocent lives and risk of disintegration of this ancient land. Iranians of all aspects of life and races or religions (the Farsi speaking, the Azeries,the  Kurds, the Lors,  muslims, christians, jews and bahais must unite and for the good of themselves and their country bring down this disastrous regime using any possible means but preferably through civil disobedience and mass strikes.

The good news is that this self imposed murderous regime will sooner or later collapse. It may be blood thirstier than Hitler's Nazi Germany or more oppressive than Soviet evil empire but like those dreadful regimes and many other examples of oppressive dictatorships will not last forever. The question is WHEN it will collapse NOT if and how many more innocent Iranian lives must be sacrificed before this murderous regime joins Hitler and Stalin in the garbage bag of the history.

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