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8 hours ago, taxme said:

Well, thanks to the EU, it is no wonder Europe is now going down. All those countries did well until their foolish and stupid politicians decided to try and make a one big family Europe out of it. The people in Greece were pretty much living the good life until they joined the EU. After forced austerity kicked in millions lost everything they had. Pretty much all the social services were wiped out also. The EU is nothing more than now controlled by a bunch of nasty globalist elite corporate outfits that saw a chance to rob the people of Europe of everything they pretty much owned. Many European countries now want out. Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic have pretty much told the EU to go to hell. And bringing in all those so-called refugees is what is now killing Europe. Crime is way up in all those European countries that took hundreds of thousands or like in Germany millions where crime was nowhere near what it is today. What Europe does not need is millions of Africans or Arabs who will only lower the standard of living and bring in more crime. Europe is still somewhat great but that is starting to disappear.  

Europe had plenty of mass murderers, rapist and criminals before the Arabs got there.  And if it is your claim that EU elite ruin prosperous nations how can you defend the same EU elite who set up colonialism and made all these sh!thol3s.  The EU elite made a shthold of Greece like they did the rest of the colonized world.  You think South Africa and Zimbabwe wanted all those European refugees who poured in and stole up land and made all those crimes?

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12 hours ago, H10 said:

Yes it is due to Europe colonizing, robbing and oppressing Africa. Prior to colonialism, Mali was one of the richest countries on earth, with the most educated populous and the largest and best universities. Then the Europeans and Arabs invaded, robbed and looted the place enslaved the academics and merchants and stole their inventions for their own.

France  - like Spain -  isn't exactly like Britain and the USA, in the way it colonized nations. 


 

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The French appeared to understand fully, even at this early stage, that assimilation of West Africans under tier control was not in the offing. Both the cost of implementing such a program and the tenacity of the indigenous populations prevented full-scale assimilation (Crowder, 1990: 77). Instead, the French sought to control the West African populations. By contrast, in the British colonies the approach was the opposite: they used local power holders rather than installing a whole new administration. Each system aimed to benefit the colonizers. The French were rather harsh in their administration and their attempts to increase their economic footholds, utilizing such means as forced labor (courvee) and imprisonment (indigenant) to maintain and expand their interests.

Little was done to improve the lives of West Africans, although attempts were made to provide minimal health and educational services. Whereas in the British areas of West Africa some portion of the economic gain accrued to an African middle class, no such dynamic occurred in the French context.

 

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/K-12/French_16178.html

 

It's interesting to compare former colonies by Britain and France.

 

Cameroon makes an excellent nation for comparison, since it's been divided between Britain and France:

 

 

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Muslims were enslaving Africans and creating the international slave trade over a 1000 years before Europeans had any effect on Africa. 

Yet  most blacks will bash Europe and suck up to Islam .....  hmmmmmm,  wonder why ? 

 

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18 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

One thing learned is that Muslims are never responsible for their own situations. It's always somebody else's fault. Always...

Islam has little to do with how many African countries are shitholes.  How's Libya these days? Was it Islam or western powers deciding regime change in that nation?  How about tyrants like Mugabe?? Islam again or something else?  Somalia? Islam or a failed government and a people that are well known pirates.

I won't say Islam is not a factor, otherwise you'd loose your shit on me (expected), it's just not the only factor.

 

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1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Islam has little to do with how many African countries are shitholes.  How's Libya these days? Was it Islam or western powers deciding regime change in that nation?  How about tyrants like Mugabe?? Islam again or something else?  Somalia? Islam or a failed government and a people that are well known pirates.

I won't say Islam is not a factor, otherwise you'd loose your shit on me (expected), it's just not the only factor.

 

 

Islam is exactly why a lot of Africa is a giant shit hole.

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2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islam is exactly why a lot of Africa is a giant shit hole.

What about the Christian nations in Africa that are also shitholes? 

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/african-countries-with-christianity-as-the-religion-of-the-majority.html

 

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2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

What about the Christian nations in Africa that are also shitholes? 

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/african-countries-with-christianity-as-the-religion-of-the-majority.html

 

 

You can pretend all you like. When are you moving to any African country? That's right...

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When you take these failded states which President Trump called by a different definition, the reason why they are failed states are bit of both the imcompetence and corruption of the present population and regime on one hand and the colonial legacy and oppression by the colonial  masters as well as unfair rules of world trade on the other. A bit of both.

Too bad that when this issue is discussed people tend to point out only one side of the argument depending on their view of the world.

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1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

What about the Christian nations in Africa that are also shitholes?

Haiti is about 80% Roman Catholic and the remainder are mostly Protestant (Methodist, Pentecostal, etc.).

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15 hours ago, H10 said:

Your claim of history is really quiet short sighted.  When the BRITISH were invading and colonizing South Africa and Zimbabwe, the Germans were committing genocide in Namibia against local populations, and the Belgians were doing the same in the Congo, so it is true people were fleeing these nations for opportunities to not get murdered.  Doesn't make the British genocides any better.  The British were happy to have a desperate labor class come into a country where locals refused to work on their own stolen property.  I would not work as a slave in my own house to an invader either.  The entire claim is perverse really.  The British destroy Malawi and Zambia and Kenya worse than Zimbabwe and force people out of one nation into another and you claim people moved willingly?  That's like saying jews who ran away to Russia and the middle east in WW2, deserve anti-semitism because they chose to leave central Europe.

 

 

Not really.  The exports were smaller under both apartheid regimes as were the economies.  What was true though was you had a highly exploitative system, which permitted whites in these nations to be among the richest white populations on the planet, because they had a large group of low wage labor slaves, doing work who they got to profit off.  South Africa is quiet developed, and Zimbabwe did quiet well under Mugabe until Anglo sanctions in the late1990s.

I guess that you would like to whine and cry about the British/Europeans coming to North America now even though after they arrived here and bringing with them better technology which gave the native Indians a better standard of living and peace among it's other Indian tribe neighbors is still not good enough for you, eh? Instead of constantly attacking the British/Europeans for some of the mistakes that they have done in the past, you should instead look at what they have done that was good for the Indians and the Africans and all of the technology that they invented to make all of our lives better and safer. 

Sometimes I wish that white people would stop dealing with all non-whites, and stop allowing them to immigrate to white countries because there is not a thing that the white people can do that will ever please people like them or you. If these Africans are so happy now that the white people are just about all gone from their countries why than do they still want to immigrate to white countries? I know why? Because nothing has changed in those African countries all that much. So, for a better life they still want to be among white people even if it means washing whitey's toilets and cleaning their clothes and homes. 

Both Mugabe and Mandela went on a killing spree after apartheid was abolished and started to kill white people by the thousands. Strange how the same people who hated the white people for what they did to them decided that getting even was the route to go and start killing white people and stealing their lands. This proves that they were no better than white people just by their actions. The Africans could have shown the white people has to how things should be done decent and proper but instead they chose the other path. Kill all white people. Tell your sob stories to someone who cares. I am fed up with this constant hate white people bull chit all the time. If you do not like living in a white country then go live in some African country. Works well for me. 

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15 hours ago, H10 said:

Europe had plenty of mass murderers, rapist and criminals before the Arabs got there.  And if it is your claim that EU elite ruin prosperous nations how can you defend the same EU elite who set up colonialism and made all these sh!thol3s.  The EU elite made a shthold of Greece like they did the rest of the colonized world.  You think South Africa and Zimbabwe wanted all those European refugees who poured in and stole up land and made all those crimes?

Every country has it's own people that have/are still doing harm to their own people. Africa and Arab countries have their own black/Arab killers and rapists that they have to deal with, and who kill people of their own race. I guess that one slipped right by you, eh? So, why add to it by bringing in more non-white immigrants that will only add to the problem uhmm?  

WTH? As far as I know, the EU was not around decades ago and setting up colonialism way back when. You are a very liberal bleeding heart guilt ridden emotional wreck, aren't you?  Indeed the EU made a shit hole of Greece and Italy and other EU countries thanks to the globalist bankster Rothchild zionist elites and their push for austerity in those countries. 

Do you think that all the Western countries of the world and their people asked or wanted all those African and Arab so-called refugees pouring into all their countries where many of those criminal illegals are causing plenty of crimes in those welcoming countries. The EU is responsible for all the crime that is now going on in Europe. The EU and the UN both need to be abolished. 

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8 hours ago, John Prewett said:

Muslims were enslaving Africans and creating the international slave trade over a 1000 years before Europeans had any effect on Africa. 

Yet  most blacks will bash Europe and suck up to Islam .....  hmmmmmm,  wonder why ? 

 

And slavery still goes on in some African and Arab countries today which the liberals and their liberal media will never divulge to the people, and would rather try and ignore it. The liberal lying and fake media always prefers to bring up what white people did as far as slavery went. Blacks living in North America and Europe will never admit how better off they are, and do not appreciate how lucky they are to be living among we the white people. If life is so bad for blacks living among white people well maybe they should try out Africa for awhile, and see how it goes. They are free to return. Even the blacks in North America on welfare make more money than the blacks in some African countries do. But we will just keep that to ourselves. 

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4 hours ago, taxme said:

And slavery still goes on in some African and Arab countries today which the liberals and their liberal media will never divulge to the people, and would rather try and ignore it. The liberal lying and fake media always prefers to bring up what white people did as far as slavery went. Blacks living in North America and Europe will never admit how better off they are, and do not appreciate how lucky they are to be living among we the white people. If life is so bad for blacks living among white people well maybe they should try out Africa for awhile, and see how it goes. They are free to return. Even the blacks in North America on welfare make more money than the blacks in some African countries do. But we will just keep that to ourselves. 

Jamaica has apparently declared itself in a state of emergency and lawlessness.

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8 hours ago, taxme said:

I guess that you would like to whine and cry about the British/Europeans coming to North America now even though after they arrived here and bringing with them better technology which gave the native Indians a better standard of living and peace among it's other Indian tribe neighbors is still not good enough for you, eh? Instead of constantly attacking the British/Europeans for some of the mistakes that they have done in the past, you should instead look at what they have done that was good for the Indians and the Africans and all of the technology that they invented to make all of our lives better and safer. 

The Europeans did not bring better technology.  The Europeans coming here where the bottom of the barrel, Thomas Malthus, please do read, Europe was not sending its best, they were exporting the underclass, they were exporting the homeless baby making slum dwellers.  Natives standard of living decreased under European colonialism.  Think of what the standard of living would be in Canada for the average Indian if Europeans didn't show up?  You think stating historical facts are attacking people, this is your issue.  The Europeans did no good for the Africans or the Indians. They actually underdeveloped Africa and India to push Europe forward.

 

 

8 hours ago, taxme said:

Sometimes I wish that white people would stop dealing with all non-whites, and stop allowing them to immigrate to white countries because there is not a thing that the white people can do that will ever please people like them or you. If these Africans are so happy now that the white people are just about all gone from their countries why than do they still want to immigrate to white countries? I know why? Because nothing has changed in those African countries all that much. So, for a better life they still want to be among white people even if it means washing whitey's toilets and cleaning their clothes and homes. 

I think there are many people who wish the white people would simply return to central Asia, and get out of Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand and the Americas.  No one asked them to mass immigrate into every other country outside their homelands, but here we are.  What is a white country?

On the one hand you claim Africa is a chithole, then you say how terrible it is, then you claim no one from this terrible chithole should want to leave and move to Europe.  You are doing mental gymnastics.

 

8 hours ago, taxme said:

Both Mugabe and Mandela went on a killing spree after apartheid was abolished and started to kill white people by the thousands. Strange how the same people who hated the white people for what they did to them decided that getting even was the route to go and start killing white people and stealing their lands. This proves that they were no better than white people just by their actions. The Africans could have shown the white people has to how things should be done decent and proper but instead they chose the other path. Kill all white people. Tell your sob stories to someone who cares. I am fed up with this constant hate white people bull chit all the time. If you do not like living in a white country then go live in some African country. Works well for me. 

Good.  I strongly believe thieves deserves the death penalty, its in the bible somewhere.  Why should Africans be better than white people morally? I believe all humans ought be about equal morally. Your comment reveals that white people believe Africans should behave morally superior to white people.  White people should be able to steal their land, invade their nations and leave them landless, penniless and without a dime in their own nation and the Africans shouldn't do anything about it?  Given how much you support Israel taking their land back from Palestine, you cannot criticize Africans doing the same.

Lol, no deal, because you still critize people over there.  There are far more whites in africa, australia and new zealand than africans in europe.

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22 hours ago, betsy said:

France  - like Spain -  isn't exactly like Britain and the USA, in the way it colonized nations. 


 

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/K-12/French_16178.html

 

It's interesting to compare former colonies by Britain and France.

 

Cameroon makes an excellent nation for comparison, since it's been divided between Britain and France:

 

 

This is really just wishful fantasy.  Britain was the same as France in this regard, colonialism was about money.  No one cared about educating locals, it was about extracting $$$.  That is all, the British are more refined in their tales.  They claim they were "Educating" people, we know what that really means, they said they were doing that to Indians in Canada in the 1940s, all to find out they were just raping children and not teaching anything in residential schools. If they cared about education, they wouldn't have burned down all the schools, and beat people for reading in public.

The British understood, that they couldn't write in a newspaper, we are going to loot Africa.  They always claimed there was some other more noble motive, they were either going to "Civilize", "develop", "spread christianity", or some other kind of vague noble goal.  When in reality, it was all lies, all propaganda to trick their own populations to support the robbing and looting of the monopoly elite class.  No different than how America claimed they were bringing freedom to Iraq and Vietnam when it was all about oil stealing.

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8 hours ago, taxme said:

And slavery still goes on in some African and Arab countries today which the liberals and their liberal media will never divulge to the people, and would rather try and ignore it. The liberal lying and fake media always prefers to bring up what white people did as far as slavery went. Blacks living in North America and Europe will never admit how better off they are, and do not appreciate how lucky they are to be living among we the white people. If life is so bad for blacks living among white people well maybe they should try out Africa for awhile, and see how it goes. They are free to return. Even the blacks in North America on welfare make more money than the blacks in some African countries do. But we will just keep that to ourselves. 

Slavery still goes on today in Britain.

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/

It is the white people who are fortunate to live among a population of African Americans and Afro-Europeans who built the nations the whites all white to storm to.  I don't see whites running to Ukraine and Russia to immigrate. They all run to the African built nations like America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

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8 hours ago, taxme said:

Every country has it's own people that have/are still doing harm to their own people. Africa and Arab countries have their own black/Arab killers and rapists that they have to deal with, and who kill people of their own race. I guess that one slipped right by you, eh? So, why add to it by bringing in more non-white immigrants that will only add to the problem uhmm?  

WTH? As far as I know, the EU was not around decades ago and setting up colonialism way back when. You are a very liberal bleeding heart guilt ridden emotional wreck, aren't you?  Indeed the EU made a shit hole of Greece and Italy and other EU countries thanks to the globalist bankster Rothchild zionist elites and their push for austerity in those countries. 

It is the same white monopoly capital elite setting up and controlling the EU exploiting Greece as they did Africa.

 

8 hours ago, taxme said:

Do you think that all the Western countries of the world and their people asked or wanted all those African and Arab so-called refugees pouring into all their countries where many of those criminal illegals are causing plenty of crimes in those welcoming countries. The EU is responsible for all the crime that is now going on in Europe. The EU and the UN both need to be abolished. 

If the western nations didn't want Africans, why did they invade Africa, kidnap millions of Africans into the America, force them to build the West and steal African technology and knowledge to build the WEst?  If the whites didn't want to live among Africans, why did they move to Australia and New Zealand full of African native peoples?  If the whites didn't want Arabs in Europe, why did they invade the Arab nations and muslim nations like Syria and Turkey?

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, H10 said:

This is really just wishful fantasy.  Britain was the same as France in this regard, colonialism was about money.  No one cared about educating locals, it was about extracting $$$.  That is all, the British are more refined in their tales.  They claim they were "Educating" people, we know what that really means, they said they were doing that to Indians in Canada in the 1940s, all to find out they were just raping children and not teaching anything in residential schools. If they cared about education, they wouldn't have burned down all the schools, and beat people for reading in public.

The British understood, that they couldn't write in a newspaper, we are going to loot Africa.  They always claimed there was some other more noble motive, they were either going to "Civilize", "develop", "spread christianity", or some other kind of vague noble goal.  When in reality, it was all lies, all propaganda to trick their own populations to support the robbing and looting of the monopoly elite class.  No different than how America claimed they were bringing freedom to Iraq and Vietnam when it was all about oil stealing.

What's not about money? 

To think it's not about money....is what's, wishful fantasy.  It's like those socialists who think the rich people who  invest to create  businesses, shouldn't be motivated by profit! 

 

If it was that bad with Britain.....why is there talks about Zimbabwe wanting to be a Commonwealth nation again?

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South Sudan wants to join Commonwealth

I understand there are other countries (interested in joining)," he added, without naming the nations.

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2011/10/201110298333766894.html

 

Some that had recently become Commonwealth nations - Mozambique and Rwanda -  weren't even colonized by Britain!

 

 

I couldn't blame nations for wanting independence.  It's a dream that they want to have.

For some though, realization comes the hard way.......after experiencing independence, they come to the realization that they're better off when they were under colonizers like England.

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15 hours ago, blackbird said:

Jamaica has apparently declared itself in a state of emergency and lawlessness.

I know that some will take this as a racist comment but let's be honest here. Things will never change with some of those people. They have a beautiful island and all they now want to do is destroy it. It must be one of those shit hole African things, I guess.   :o    Just saying. 

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14 hours ago, marcus said:

Blame Islam.

It has to be the fault of Trump. It just has to be. :D

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The African countries were destined to become failed states from the beginning as almost all of them are totally artificial creations with borders drawn on a map with a ruler without regard to natural circumstances or ethnic divisions.

So the African countries should be dissolved and created on a more sustainable basis. However, that is impossible. If anyone ever tried to do that it would be a catastrophe.

Another thing is that most Africans dont think in country-level. They think in tribal-level and most tribes are too small to be a population of a country.

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12 hours ago, H10 said:

The Europeans did not bring better technology.  The Europeans coming here where the bottom of the barrel, Thomas Malthus, please do read, Europe was not sending its best, they were exporting the underclass, they were exporting the homeless baby making slum dwellers.  Natives standard of living decreased under European colonialism.  Think of what the standard of living would be in Canada for the average Indian if Europeans didn't show up?  You think stating historical facts are attacking people, this is your issue.  The Europeans did no good for the Africans or the Indians. They actually underdeveloped Africa and India to push Europe forward.

 

 

I think there are many people who wish the white people would simply return to central Asia, and get out of Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand and the Americas.  No one asked them to mass immigrate into every other country outside their homelands, but here we are.  What is a white country?

On the one hand you claim Africa is a chithole, then you say how terrible it is, then you claim no one from this terrible chithole should want to leave and move to Europe.  You are doing mental gymnastics.

 

Good.  I strongly believe thieves deserves the death penalty, its in the bible somewhere.  Why should Africans be better than white people morally? I believe all humans ought be about equal morally. Your comment reveals that white people believe Africans should behave morally superior to white people.  White people should be able to steal their land, invade their nations and leave them landless, penniless and without a dime in their own nation and the Africans shouldn't do anything about it?  Given how much you support Israel taking their land back from Palestine, you cannot criticize Africans doing the same.

Lol, no deal, because you still critize people over there.  There are far more whites in africa, australia and new zealand than africans in europe.

(1)In many African countries today and thanks to the Europeans going to Africa they have made life a lot more decent and livable and better for Africans. If the Europeans did not go there, Africa would still be a country full of tribal warring going on where one tribe would go out and look for a fight with another tribe. Sort of like in Chicago today where blacks are killing blacks every day. tribal war instincts, kill or be killed. They certainly would not have running water or electricity and tall buildings and cars driving around. What have Africans invented anyway that was good for mankind? For all the good that the Europeans did for Africa, you instead would rather prefer to attack the Europeans for some of the bad things that they did in Africa, I might add, a long time ago. Stop trying to be an apologist for what some white people did in the past. The white people of today have no reason to apologize for anything that happened in Africa centuries ago because they were not alive back then. You should be thankful that the white man was created by someone. Just saying. 

(1)(a)And the native Indians have nothing to complain about. Today they have everything given to them. And they still whine about how hard they are being done by. And they do enjoy all the white man's toys, don't they? They would never give up their motorboats, cars, ATV'S, rifles, running water and electricity in their homes plus all the tax dollars that they get from the taxpayer's free of charge. They even can get to buy some toys tax free. It is the white people that should be whining and complaining about that. That is discrimination alright. If the white man did not come to North America the native Indians would still be living in tents and still be killing one another. Stop living gin the past, and get into the 21st century for a change. 

(1)(b)Well, for many Africans today living in North America seem to feel like they are living in shit holes. And the only reason for that it would appear is because they want it that way. If a community of white people can build up a clean and safe community to live in why cannot black people do the same? Most black communities are shit holes and you know it and full of crime. This is not fiction this is fact. Like I said already. If the white people were so bad to them in Africa way back when then why would they want to come here and face more persecution from white people? Why would they want to live with us white savages then? 

(2)Israel apparently stole the land from the Palestinians and not the other way around. Helen Thomas a reporter for some newspaper in the states who was Lebanese said during a news press briefing stated that what the Jews in Israel should be doing is go back to Europe where they came from. Interesting isn't it? 

(3)No kidding that there are more white people living in Australia, New Zealand. But Africa? I don't know about that one as to whether there are more whites in Africa? There are suppose to be over 900 million black Africans living in Africa, not nine million whites. I think that you have your facts all screwed up.   

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If the British had never colonised anything most people on this board would have never even been born. 

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