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3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

U.S. Supreme Court has already examined that (McDonald v. Chicago)....they didn't consider opinions from Canada.

Sooooo, you're saying that this has nothing to do with a militia, even though it says it does?

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2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

I know it's popular for the left to side with the FBI these days - y'know, because of Trump, but they were called repeatedly on that guy and did nothing. 

What would you have expected them to have done that would have had any impact on this?

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24 minutes ago, Argus said:

Sooooo, you're saying that this has nothing to do with a militia, even though it says it does?

 

The language is clear....a militia's armed capability is dependent on a pre-existing, armed citizenry.  

U.S. Supreme Court always trumps couch lawyers from across the border.

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21 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

How would you do that?  And, whose guns exactly?  Would you go into downtown Chicago and start confiscating guns?

Probably a good place to start.  All guns possessed illegally should be confiscated of course.  I'm not sure how authorities go about it. But that's just the first step.

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20 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

OK, well, taking away semi-autos, is taking away guns.  That's just a non-starter, and a policy killer.  However, I'd love to see what happens when the police go into downtown Chicago and start taking away their "semi-autos".

Obviously you're not aware the police in cities like Chicago already go into houses with swat teams, shields, tear gas, and knock doors down and go in armed with automatic military style weapons.  It's the war on drugs.  Is going on all the time.  They are very professional and experienced at it.  Once in a while they get shot. Watched it on Netflix.   So confiscating guns would be nothing new.  They already do those kinds of raids every day and night all over the place.  They are training constantly.  Anybody foolish enough to try to resist wouldn't stand a chance and will be taken away in a hearse.

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The language is clear....a militia's armed capability is dependent on a pre-existing, armed citizenry.  

U.S. Supreme Court always trumps couch lawyers from across the border.

Is that why the NRA scraped the "well regulated militia" language off the facade of the building when they built a new office? They don't want anything to do with that well regulated crap. Any guesses as to which school is next? 

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58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

.... They already do those kinds of raids every day and night all over the place.  They are training constantly.  Anybody foolish enough to try to resist wouldn't stand a chance and will be taken away in a hearse.

 

Not going to happen just to confiscate semi-auto firearms....Netflix has Godzilla movies too.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not going to happen just to confiscate semi-auto firearms....Netflix has Godzilla movies too.

 

 

So stupid movies, and a stupid amendment are more important than school kids getting blown away. Check!

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2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The language is clear....a militia's armed capability is dependent on a pre-existing, armed citizenry.  

U.S. Supreme Court always trumps couch lawyers from across the border.

What, I can't speak English just as well as they can? I can read what it says. I don't have to interpret it to support my beliefs - as you are above. The idea that in this day and age a militia's capability depends on a pre-existing armed citizenry is ludicrous. Nobody is gonna bring their muskets, or their AR-15s to the militia to fight off the Chinese.

A well regulated militia being necessary... that is the entire purpose behind the next passage. If these people aren't in the 'well regulated' militia then there's no purpose for them being armed.

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3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Obviously you're not aware the police in cities like Chicago already go into houses with swat teams, shields, tear gas, and knock doors down and go in armed with automatic military style weapons.  It's the war on drugs.  Is going on all the time.  They are very professional and experienced at it.  Once in a while they get shot. Watched it on Netflix.   So confiscating guns would be nothing new.  They already do those kinds of raids every day and night all over the place.  They are training constantly.  Anybody foolish enough to try to resist wouldn't stand a chance and will be taken away in a hearse.

Well then, let's reinstate "stop and frisk" policies and start jailing those who have guns.

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1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

Well then, let's reinstate "stop and frisk" policies and start jailing those who have guns.

No, just those who have guns illegally.

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11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Well then, let's reinstate "stop and frisk" policies and start jailing those who have guns.

With the billions of dollars worth of cocaine being brought into the states every year from Mexico and south America, the swat teams are getting lots of practice dealing with criminals with guns.  Adding collecting automatic military guns and illegal handguns to their confiscation duties would not be much extra work or expense.  

Just think of the new work that would be created for unemployed ex military folks.

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Trump sounded like he might be changing his mind a tiny bit and maybe not accepting everything the NRA says.

All Trump might have to do is issue one of his Executive Orders instructing the FBI, police departments, and Military to begin collecting all automatic firearms and illegal handguns.  That would be a good way to start.   Fight about the details afterward.

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Existing gun laws should be enforced better before trying to create new gun laws.

A Canadian terrorist ( Amor Ftouhi ) was denied a gun purchase in 2017 because somebody did their job in Michigan.

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Did you see Trump say he would go into a school (to confront a shooter) even if he (Trump) had no gun!  Sounds very brave, but who would actually do that and why?  Easy to say when you don't have to do it.   Most people have a desire for self-preservation.

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8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Existing gun laws should be enforced better before trying to create new gun laws.

A Canadian terrorist ( Amor Ftouhi ) was denied a gun purchase in 2017 because somebody did their job in Michigan.

How come they didn't do their job in Florida?

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2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did you see Trump say he would go into a school (to confront a shooter) even if he (Trump) had no gun!  Sounds very brave, but would actually do that and why?  Easy to say when you don't have to do it.   Most people have a desire for self-preservation.

Trump would be curled up under his bed pooping his pants wringing his little hands together if there was gunfire anywhere near him. Secret Service would take care of it. 

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23 hours ago, Omni said:

Trump would be curled up under his bed pooping his pants wringing his little hands together 

Yep, that's Donald Trump. Good old president poopy-pants.

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46 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Yep, that's Donald Trump. Good old president poopy-pants.

Yep, I had to laugh at Stephen Colbert's comment about what Trump was going to do after he rushed into the school unarmed, "stab him with your bones spurs"? Pretty much a downward spiral on whatever issue one can think of with Donald.

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Not every issue.  He is wrong about guns and going in unarmed, but he is correct about building a wall and keeping bad characters out of the U.S.  He is correct about a lot of things.

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I just read an article about a man in Texas who was shot twice in a church by a police officer, after he stopped a shooter and took the gun away.  This happened the same day as the Florida school massacre two weeks ago.  Fortunately nobody was killed at this church.  Several people charged a man with a handgun and this man helped by taking the handgun away from him.  Then a police officer arrived and told him to drop the gun.  He was bending over to put it down because he thought if he dropped it, it would go off.  The officer shot him twice.  He has a blood clot in one lung but is recovering in a hospital.  He will be taking legal action and wants compensation from the police department.   

This proves how dangerous it would be for even some teachers to be armed with a gun.  The police are taught to shoot first and not take any chances.  Ask questions after.

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5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not every issue.  He is wrong about guns and going in unarmed, but he is correct about building a wall and keeping bad characters out of the U.S.  He is correct about a lot of things.

 

He is also right about enforcing existing gun laws better, like the one that stopped another Canadian terrorist from buying a gun in Michigan.

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3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

He is also right about enforcing existing gun laws better, like the one that stopped another Canadian terrorist from buying a gun in Michigan.

That's true but it's too bad authorities and gun sellers didn't stop the long list of other killers from buying military style guns over the past several years.

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42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's true but it's too bad authorities and gun sellers didn't stop the long list of other killers from buying military style guns over the past several years.

 

Can't stop legal gun purchases...the majority of U.S. gun homicides involve handguns, not "military style" firearms.

Gun homicide rate is at a 30 year low in the U.S.

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25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Can't stop legal gun purchases...the majority of U.S. gun homicides involve handguns, not "military style" firearms.

Gun homicide rate is at a 30 year low in the U.S.

And still higher than just about everywhere else in the world. What no Canada deflection?

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