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8 hours ago, Rue said:

Tell Justin then. Get on it.

I believe Canadians have made that quite clear.

 

8 hours ago, Rue said:

...the stain pattern.

Sorry, give me your shirt, I'll clean it then.

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23 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I believe Canadians have made that quite clear.

 

Sorry, give me your shirt, I'll clean it then.

I don't wear brown shirts, black shirts, and thanks I clean my own clothes. I have no servants. I must be a communist.

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Some encouraging news from the Arab world

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Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has been greeted by an outpouring of public anger on his arrival in Tunisia, one of the stops on his first trip abroad since the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, which critics say was designed to whitewash his image before the G20 summit later this week.

After embraces and smiles from allies in the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt this week, the powerful crown prince did not receive such a warm welcome in Tunis: at least 200 people gathered in the city centre on Monday night the day before scheduled talks with the Tunisian president, Beji Caid Essebsi.

A huge banner depicting the prince carrying a chainsaw – – a reference to his alleged involvement in Khashoggi’s gruesome murder and reported dismemberment at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul – was unfurled over the Tunisian journalists’ union building...

“Arab citizens are often hostages to our governments,” said Suad Abu-Dayyeh, a consultant for the campaign group Equality Now. “Prince Salman is locking up and torturing women activists in Saudi Arabia. I’m delighted Tunisians are standing up to him.”

Tunisian officials stressed the “historical and fraternal” relations between Tunis and Riyadh, adding that the region would suffer if Saudi Arabia, a regional power, was destabilised by Prince Mohammed’s removal.

Tunisia is a longstanding recipient of Saudi development and aid funds. Many in the country are still angry, however, that Saudi Arabia offered refuge to the corrupt former president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali after he was overthrown in 2011, and has since refused to extradite him.  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/27/khashoggi-killing-saudi-prince-greeted-with-tunisia-protests

 

 

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On 11/26/2018 at 1:41 PM, WestCanMan said:

Zionism and Wahhabism are completely different.

They are both different, of course. But the comparison is that they are selfish ideologies that will trample over other people's rights for their own gain. Case in point, their treatment of the Palestinians.

On 11/26/2018 at 1:41 PM, WestCanMan said:

To understand zionism, think about how badly muslims would want mecca back if it was taken over by a different culture/religion. Taking back what's actually yours, or something that you at least have some form of credible claim to, isn't as evil as killing people to take what's theirs by right. Zionism used to be really evil, when the land didn't actually belong to the Jews and they were committing war crimes and making deals with evil people to get it back. Zionism has changed into protecting the land that they have now which is far less "evil".

You have a point, where the militia groups and IDF committed actual genocide by driving Palestinians out of their lands after WWII. This is called Nakba by Palestinians, where over 500 Palestinian villages were destroyed and annihilated in what is now Israel. The Palestinians in these villages were either killed, shipped out or they ran for their lives. 

Now-a-days, I would disagree with you that Israel's actions are "defensive". There is nothing defensive about seizing and annexing land. Israel continues to do this to this day in order to expand the illegal settlements in Palestinian territories, including in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Their acts are NOT defensive. It's all offensive.

On 11/26/2018 at 1:41 PM, WestCanMan said:

It's actually "normal". Just like the Saudis would protect Mecca, and the actual families living in Saudi Arabia.

There is no one, besides the Arabs, who are in Mecca. So the parallel you're trying to draw does not make sense. Because the Palestinians have been living in Palestine for many centuries. None of the Jews who immigrated to Palestine just before and after 1900, had have any physical connection to the area, except if you look into a book that is over 2000 years old. The only Jews that have a real connection to the land are the ones who lived in peace, side by side with the Palestinian Muslims and Christians. In fact, before the mass Zionist immigration to Palestine, from mostly Europe, the population of Jews in that region was only around 5% fo the total population. 

On 11/26/2018 at 1:41 PM, WestCanMan said:

Wahhabism is entirely different. Think more along the lines of what "zionization" would mean. No other belief system, rules of law, or bills/charters of rights would be allowed to exist anywhere. Jewish law would control everything, everywhere around the world, on penalty of death and the enslavement of your children.

My comparison, as stated at the beginning, is that they're both selfish ideologies who will trample other people's rights for their own selfish gains. They don't care about the rights of those who don't follow their religion.

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23 hours ago, marcus said:

They are both different, of course. But the comparison is that they are selfish ideologies that will trample over other people's rights for their own gain. Case in point, their treatment of the Palestinians.

You have a point, where the militia groups and IDF committed actual genocide by driving Palestinians out of their lands after WWII. This is called Nakba by Palestinians, where over 500 Palestinian villages were destroyed and annihilated in what is now Israel. The Palestinians in these villages were either killed, shipped out or they ran for their lives. 

Now-a-days, I would disagree with you that Israel's actions are "defensive". There is nothing defensive about seizing and annexing land. Israel continues to do this to this day in order to expand the illegal settlements in Palestinian territories, including in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Their acts are NOT defensive. It's all offensive.

There is no one, besides the Arabs, who are in Mecca. So the parallel you're trying to draw does not make sense. Because the Palestinians have been living in Palestine for many centuries. None of the Jews who immigrated to Palestine just before and after 1900, had have any physical connection to the area, except if you look into a book that is over 2000 years old. The only Jews that have a real connection to the land are the ones who lived in peace, side by side with the Palestinian Muslims and Christians. In fact, before the mass Zionist immigration to Palestine, from mostly Europe, the population of Jews in that region was only around 5% fo the total population. 

My comparison, as stated at the beginning, is that they're both selfish ideologies who will trample other people's rights for their own selfish gains. They don't care about the rights of those who don't follow their religion.

Zionism’s goal isn’t to kill or convert everyone. They don’t use mass systemic rape as a means to forced conversion. You’re comparing the desire of a people to return to their homeland, ie .001% of the earth’s surface, to the greatest evil the world has ever known.

 

The parallel to Mecca makes sense if you think about it. Imagine that a new messiah of a new religion comes along and wipes islam out of that part of the earth. Muslims will never lose their desire to go to Mecca. There would be a strong movement within what was left of the muslim community to get back there. Muslims would not think of that desire as evil. Get it? They committed genocide all over the Middle East and Southern Asia and Southern Europe for as long as they could just to get slaves and other people’s land. Recent genocides include Pakistan in the 40’s, Bangladesh in the 70’s and Syria as recently as 2 years ago. If they committed so much evil in the desire to conquer other people’s land do you think that they would they do any less to get Mecca back? 

 

I think you know that your comment re: “the only connection the Jews have to Israel is a book” is incredibly stupid. Their temples and synagogues are there. They go back about 5,000 years. That shit is important to them. What’s tying the Palestinians to that area Marcus? It’s only about 1% of the Arabian Peninsula. They can go live by Mecca if they want. The answer is that they’re just in refugee camps to foment hatred in people like you.

 

Israel’s original (pre-‘67) borders were not conducive to successful defence. The country was too narrow, and thus easy to divide. Currently they defend themselves from terrorism as well as they can on a minute-by-minute basis. Do you deny that? Do you think that they could do much less than they are currently doing and still be safe? Do you think that their neighbours won’t commit genocide against them if they get the chance? 

 

When you reply, think about whether or not your response will just boil down to “the Israelis are being far less evil in the defence of Israel than their neighbours were in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Syria.” Think about what will happen to every Jew in Israel if hezbollah, hamas, iran etc get their way..... I stopped being supportive of the Palestinians when I found out about the distant and recent history of those religions, and what “victory” for either side would look like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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