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46 minutes ago, betsy said:

That's just an example given to this statement that preceded that:

In other instances however, the U.S. data may be failing to capture some Canada exports, particularly services that are much more difficult to measure than goods. The Statistics Canada data show a much larger number -- in the order of $15 billion a year -- in Canadian service exports to the U.S. than is captured by the American numbers. While statisticians aren’t sure exactly why, one explanation may be that U.S. firms with operations in Canada aren’t reporting their foreign costs as service imports.

Most service exports are probably technological services of US based corporations anyway, which means the profits wind up flowing back to the US. I'm pretty sure if the US trade agencies could find a way to make it appear that they have a big trade deficit with Canada they would do so. But to suggest it matters to a man like Trump is laughable anyway. Trump doesn't know anything about trade, nor understand anything about trade, nor care. To Trump, it's all about making himself look good to his audience of baying FOX yokels.

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Interesting picture of Merkel and all the G7 leaders facing off with Trump - and Trudeau nowhere to be found.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/09/the-g-7-summit-summed-up-in-one-photo/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7451800828e8

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34 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

Interesting picture of Merkel and all the G7 leaders facing off with Trump - and Trudeau nowhere to be found.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/09/the-g-7-summit-summed-up-in-one-photo/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7451800828e8

 

Abe from Japan does not look very impressed by Merkel...his arms are crossed just like Trump's.

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54 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Abe from Japan does not look very impressed by Merkel...his arms are crossed just like Trump's.

Or by Trump perhaps. He has a lot to lose in Trump's preparation free-trip to Singapore. 

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4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Or by Trump perhaps. He has a lot to lose in Trump's preparation free-trip to Singapore. 

 

Abe already visited Trump to discuss trade and Kim....Abe knows that Trump matters far more than Trudeau.

Japan has far less steel and aluminum export to U.S. than Canada.

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3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed....Trump likes to be a jerk, but he matters a lot more than Trudeau.  To Trump, Trudeau is just a putz.

It isn't only about Trudeau...

In the temple of a mysterious cult Kanada, this is the daily morning ritual of the PM (Priest Master) and the elites priests of the cult:

........

The day before yesterday:

    PM Harper: Mirror, mirror on the wall---who is your closest pal of all?

    God Bush appeared in the mirror and replied dully: The Priest Master of Kanada.:lol:

Yesterday:

    PM Trudeau: Mirror, mirror on the wall---who is your closest pal of all?

    God Obama appeared in the mirror and replied dully: The Priest Master of Kanada.:D

Today:

    PM Trudeau: Mirror, mirror on the wall---who is your closest pal of all?

    Angel BC2004 appeared in the mirror and replied frankly: Not you!

    But her voice was so low that neither Trudeau nor the other elite members of the cult had heard her. So the PM asked again and this time:

    God Trump appeared in the mirror and yelled: F**k off!:rolleyes:

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7 hours ago, Argus said:

I don't honestly see what Trudeau said that should provoke such anger. It wasn't anything he hadn't said repeatedly over the last couple of weeks, and he didn't mention Trump by name or say anything insulting about him. What were these 'potshots' he took at Trump? What exactly were Trudeau's 'false statements' that Kudlow was whining about?  Maybe you could point them out to me.

The only new thing I can see is when he said that Russia wasn't going to be let back into the G7.

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12 hours ago, Argus said:

Most service exports are probably technological services of US based corporations anyway, which means the profits wind up flowing back to the US. I'm pretty sure if the US trade agencies could find a way to make it appear that they have a big trade deficit with Canada they would do so. But to suggest it matters to a man like Trump is laughable anyway. Trump doesn't know anything about trade, nor understand anything about trade, nor care.

That's your opinion, Argus.  

 

 

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To Trump, it's all about making himself look good to his audience of baying FOX yokels.

Funny thing,  to Trudeau.....it's all about making himself look good to his audience.   Starting from the time he inappropriately took part in taking pot shots at Trump during the primary race - and several times more deliberately timed to show him in contrast with Trump (refugee policy - which we're now paying for,  his diversity speech in NY - which we know is a lie, at a crucial time of negotiations with NAFTA).  

He was making himself look good at the expense of Trump!  His coziness with outgoing Obama (passing the baton-kinda ritual they had with outgoing Biden), and  preening to all the progressive socialist-leaning governments in Europe  - all Obama fans - that "looked up" to Trudeau.   

 

 

 

Stephen Harper stated on a US channel:

 

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But the criticism left a former Canadian prime minister, Stephen Harper, stumped. "I don't understand the obsession with trade relations with Canada," he said, given that Canada is the biggest single buyer of American goods and services in the world. From promoting democracy and to fighting terrorism, "we're on the same page. We're the closest partners in the world and you don't want to see a dispute over one particular issue poison everything."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/10/the-associated-press-trumps-tweets-slam-canada-and-trudeau-anew-from-singapore.html

 

I've said it before - all those potshots aren't going to simply be forgotten!  Trump doesn't strike me as a guy who forgets.

If Trump's obsesssion with trade relations is perplexing - then it could only be................. personal!

 

This could very well all because of Trudeau.   And, his big mouth.

To put it bluntly, Trudeau had made himself a sitting duck who'd stupidly put a red target on his forehead.   And we're all in the crossfire!

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 Macron came to Canada earlier to meet with Trudeau.  To discuss their strategy with Trump.

 

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Earlier in Ottawa, Macron and Trudeau offered an olive branch of sorts by offering Trump a modest measure of support in his historic meeting in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un following the G7 summit.

But they also made it clear that won't keep them from pushing Trump to end the tariffs, which they brand as illegal and bad for everyone's economy. They also reaffirmed their commitment to the world's rules-based order -- something Trump has little time for.

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trump-calls-trudeau-indignant-on-eve-of-canadian-g7-summit-debut-1.3963253

 

I don't know.  These two together, kinda remind me of .........mischievous pups.   Macron looks to me, to be leading Trudeau.  Trudeau is following Macron's lead.

 

 

Trump's hand left with thumbprint after Macron handshake at G7 summit

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/trump-macron-handshake-g7-summit-thumb-imprint-a8391496.html

 

 

If what anti-Trump say about Trump is true, that he's an irrational, ego-maniac - then all the more so that Trudeau should know better to keep from provoking this guy.     If my hunches are right.......what Trudeau plays, is a very, very dangerous game for Canada.

 

But I think it's too late now.  Trump is collecting: Trudeau is going to pay the piper for all his previous self-serving potshots.

 

Maybe too......from now on, Trump will refer to Trudeau as "weak Trudeau" - kinda like the "crooked Hillary" moniker he'd given Clinton.

 

 

 

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Macron seems to be another impulsive hombre.......

 

 

 
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Even as late as Thursday afternoon, Trump was questioning why he would attend a G7 meeting where he's outnumbered on key issues like trade and climate change.
 
As a series of combative tweets from Macron began emerging late in the day, Trump again raised the prospect of scrubbing all or part of his visit to Canada, asking advisers what the point of attending the summit would be, according to a person familiar with the conversations.
 
 
He was told that canceling the visit entirely would appear like he's shrinking from a fight he proudly began. And with that in his head, Trump told his advisers he'll enter the talks swinging.
 
And swing he did on Twitter, responding to Macron's assertion that G7 nations would band together without the US.

 

 
 
So.....Macron, had set the tone for the G7!   Hostile and combative! And the host, went along with it! 
 
Those tweets had made Trump determined to dig in!
 
What a doober.......
 
 
 
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Need I remind everyone that the trade talk was supposed to be the most important issue for the G7?  

So what the heck is the host of this expensive summit doing, by going along with Macron?

 

 

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13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Abe from Japan does not look very impressed by Merkel...his arms are crossed just like Trump's.

I noticed that too, and his body faces more towards Merkel.

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It makes me question if Trudeau and Macron really wanted any solution with Trump!  

Could they both be thinking of their politics - like, using Trump to unite their citizens (France and Canada) behind their leaders?

is that the end game?  Uniting all Canadians behind Trudeau against the tyrannical Trump?

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Trump wanted to tear up NAFTA if he couldn't get the deal he wanted and it seems like that will happen.  This deal took years for business groups in Canada, US and Mexico put together and will likely have to be re-done after Trump is gone.  Canada will suffer economically but given that staunch rightistst like Doug Ford are backing up Trudeau, there will be little public support to go along with any American initiatives over the next while, which is really too bad.

Our relations appear to be at a remarkable low point.

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1 hour ago, betsy said:

  

Maybe too......from now on, Trump will refer to Trudeau as "weak Trudeau" - kinda like the "crooked Hillary" moniker he'd given Clinton

 

Those nicknames and attacks are all about projection. If your campaign is literally a Russian organized crime money laundering operation, attack your opponent first for being "crooked". If he's suffering from nearby stage dementia and is a puppet to Putin, it would make sense to attack Trudeau for being "weak".

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12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Trump wanted to tear up NAFTA if he couldn't get the deal he wanted and it seems like that will happen.  This deal took years for business groups in Canada, US and Mexico put together and will likely have to be re-done after Trump is gone.  Canada will suffer economically but given that staunch rightistst like Doug Ford are backing up Trudeau, there will be little public support to go along with any American initiatives over the next while, which is really too bad.

Our relations appear to be at a remarkable low point.

 

Ford has no choice but to stand with Trudeau on this.  

 

I question Scheer's push for retaliation right away.   Retaliation will only bring counter retaliation - we can't win that.

I tend to agree with McKay......try to de-escalate, as  much as we can.

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1 hour ago, betsy said:

Ford has no choice but to stand with Trudeau on this.  

I question Scheer's push for retaliation right away.   Retaliation will only bring counter retaliation - we can't win that.

I tend to agree with McKay......try to de-escalate, as  much as we can.

The political case for trade has been tentative at best and now with a visible tangible enemy attacking our nation it will be difficult to put a new deal together.  

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It seems trudeau was nice to him and once trump left trudeau stating ripping him. To scared to take him on face to face.

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40 minutes ago, PIK said:

It seems trudeau was nice to him and once trump left trudeau stating ripping him. To scared to take him on face to face.

It would seem that way until you actually watch Trudeau's press conference. Then you would wonder what they're talking about. He never stated ripping him at all. But he did say that Russia wouldn't be invited back in the G7. So I guess there's that. And only that.

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The hits on Canada have just begun.

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The Canadian dollar fell against all its major peers after U.S. President Donald Trump revoked his support for a joint Group-of-Seven statement and criticized his neighboring leader Justin Trudeau.

The U.S. dollar was steady as investors awaited a series of major risk events this week, including a summit between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on Tuesday and meetings of the world’s three-biggest central banks on following days. The Japanese yen halted a two-day winning streak.

“The Canadian dollar is facing selling pressures as the G-7 summit reinforced the confrontation between Canada and the U.S., particularly concerns about U.S. targeting automobile sector which is a huge blow for Canada,” said Ko Haruki, head of the financial solutions group at CIBC World Markets (Japan) in Tokyo. “CAD is also weighed by fundamentals after a weak employment report last week.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-10/canadian-dollar-hardest-hit-as-investors-respond-to-g-7-fallout

Is our federal government up to the job of fixing this? And what of Doug Ford? The incoming PC government is coming in at the very precarious time with much on their plate. I wish them every success in their handling of this looming catastrophe.

I have a feeling things will get very bad for us economically. Our government must put aside their partisan and self serving ways and take drastic measures, for exampls getting rid of supply management even if it means losing a few votes in Quebec.

 

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The Canadian dollar fell against all its major peers after U.S. President Donald Trump revoked his support for a joint Group-of-Seven statement and criticized his neighboring leader Justin Trudeau.

The U.S. dollar was steady as investors awaited a series of major risk events this week, including a summit between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on Tuesday and meetings of the world’s three-biggest central banks on following days. The Japanese yen halted a two-day winning streak.

 

 

 

Who's more trusted????

 

Investors know Trudeau is fighting a losing battle!

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1 hour ago, PIK said:

It seems trudeau was nice to him and once trump left trudeau stating ripping him. To scared to take him on face to face.

I too thought this was odd. These summits are supposed to offer leaders face time, where presumably they can be frank with one another. Trudeau's approach seems oriented to photo-ops and sound bites, which doesn't seem compatible with such a summit. I found Trump's reaction to be over-the-top. His focus was apparently on this week's summit in Singapore. Maybe he felt Trudeau was trying to upstage him. In today's Star, a writer said it's likely Trump is chest thumping and bullying Trudeau in order to set the stage for the Singapore meeting. I think Trudeau could have been more judicious, even if what he said seemed uncontroversial to most Canadians. Trump, who reportedly would rather not have been in Quebec, was playing nice and I think the Americans expected the same from other leaders in return. Trudeau didn't seem to heed the adage that there's a time and a place for most things and this was apparently neither where airing our dirty (trade) laundry in public was concerned.

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18 minutes ago, capricorn said:

The hits on Canada have just begun.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-10/canadian-dollar-hardest-hit-as-investors-respond-to-g-7-fallout

Is our federal government up to the job of fixing this? And what of Doug Ford? The incoming PC government is coming in at the very precarious time with much on their plate. I wish them every success in their handling of this looming catastrophe.

I have a feeling things will get very bad for us economically. Our government must put aside their partisan and self serving ways and take drastic measures, for exampls getting rid of supply management even if it means losing a few votes in Quebec.

 

Rona Ambrose admitted it.   Supply Management is a POLITICAL "sacred cow."

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