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The soccer team and their coach trapped in a cave in Thailand.   Oxygen is running out, and the monsoon rains are expected sometime next week.

It's a nail-biter.   Racing against time.  Why aren't they putting more lines to pump out that water?  I don't understand much about diving and oxygen tanks......I'm thinking can't they put extra  oxygen tanks along the way so nobody has to run out of it like what happened to that ex-navy seal who died?

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I just assume that the flow of water from rain is greater than what they can feasibly pump out. We're probably talking about a lake size amount of water and the thai goverment probably only have portable pump with no where to drain that water to. It takes 5 hours to dive and traverse the entrance path so not an easy feat to ask of weakened young kids. I suspect they will try to install air exchange pipes for them. Oxygen scrubber is viable too but getting those equipment inside the cave is probably very difficult.

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They are putting tanks along the way, I believe the diver who died was doing just that but his tank ran out.

I have a bad feeling about this; they are going to have to try and get those boys out before the monsoons hit but a 5 hour dive for those boys could be excruciatingm I think they have to try.  Just hope and pray they will all get out.

 

 

 

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Diving is no big deal.  Too often people make a bigger thing of it than need be - there are no worries about DCS or embolism, just have to breathe.  Give each boy a mask and a long regulator hose (8-10 feet) and have them pulled out one by one.  It's just cave diving, dangerous but the best chance they have.  In Fact, if they can get long enough hoses, they can use Hookah or surface supply and not worry about stage tanks.  

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This is a daunting task....some of these kids don't even know how to swim.   Time and distance are working against them.   Drilling means going down half a mile.

 

thailandrescuechildren0307.jpg?width=136

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/thailand-cave-rescue-graphic-shows-extraordinary-route-to-boys-trapped-in-tham-luang-a3878786.html

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Well...they found their way in there...they should find their way out.

(Anticipating the vehement denunciations of my character for even thinking of such a callous thing.) :)

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Thai cave rescue: boys being rescued in four groups – live

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live

 

(45 minutes ago)

 

 

here's why it's so challenging and dangerous:

 

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He said that in addition to "the problem of the narrow passageways ... and no visibility, cave diving is in itself one of the most dangerous things we can do."

He says in this situation there's a strong current and "trying to get them back out, we’re basically fighting a flood -- we’re working in an environment where the force is so great that (the rescue divers are) trying to figure out constantly how to make their bodies function through it, and continue to breathe," he says.  

"Trying to pull themselves back along the line, and be able to carry the boys with them, is an enormous effort."

 

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/thai-cave-rescue-live-intl/index.html

 

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A heartwarming exchange between the young coach and the parents:

 

 

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Wild Boars coach Akkapol Chanthawong wrote a letter of apology to the parents of the 12 boys trapped with him in the cave complex.

All the kids are fine. There are people taking really good care of them.I promise I will take care of the children the best I can. Thank you for your support. I'm really sorry to the parents.

In response, the boys' parents have assured him that they don't blame him for the tragedy that has seen the soccer team trapped underground for more than two weeks.

Dear Coach Ake,We, as your soccer team member's parents believe in you and your spirit that you've been taking a good care of our kids. We just want you to know that this is not your fault. We all here don't blame you and just want you not to blame yourself. We all understand all the situations that have happened and we are here supporting you. We appreciate all your loving support and care to our kids. We are waiting for the news that you all get back out of the cave safely soon.Your aunt is also here waiting for you at the entrance.

Tanawat Viboonrungruang, the father of Chanin Viboonrungruang, also known as Titun, reiterated that the families aren't blaming the 25-year-old coach.

"We don’t want him to blame himself and feel any guilt. We all understand that this is an accident and it’s (a) natural disaster in the rainy season," he told CNN.

"We can’t anticipate what will happen... No one here will take this as his fault."

 

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/thai-cave-rescue-live-intl/index.html

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That's weird, I was just watching BBC News who said 4 are out and 10 hours in between operations.   Quite the task, two divers with each boy, total of 90 divers.   I wish them all well and a speedy recovery.

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It's reported one boy said he looks forward to eating fried chicken. That gives me hope that over time those boys will come out of this OK.

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Every single person who has posted above is a full-on hypocrite. Pretending to show concern and compassion for these boys in Thailand, while they fully back things like this that have killed scores of civilians, including children:

Under the Trump administration, airstrikes have escalated dramatically in Iraq and Syria, sending claims of civilian casualties skyrocketing.

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23 minutes ago, marcus said:

Every single person who has posted above is a full-on hypocrite.

 

I must say it was a pleasure not to have heard from you in a while. So, you are gifted to look into the psyche of people posting on a forum. I'm sure the military of many countries would want to study you in order to replicate your "gift".

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56 minutes ago, capricorn said:

I must say it was a pleasure not to have heard from you in a while. So, you are gifted to look into the psyche of people posting on a forum. I'm sure the military of many countries would want to study you in order to replicate your "gift".

It's not a gift to compare comments. How is that part time compassion and concern for our fellow humans working out for you?

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Do not presume to know how I feel about fellow humans. It only serves to portray you as an opportunist pushing forward a personal agenda. I will deal with my inner feelings as I see fit and I suggest you do the same.

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1 minute ago, capricorn said:

Do not presume to know how I feel about fellow humans. It only serves to portray you as an opportunist pushing forward a personal agenda. I will deal with my inner feelings as I see fit and I suggest you do the same.

There is no presumption. I am responding to posts that have been made on this forum. If I got it wrong and you don't support U.S./Israel/Saudi attacks that have killed thousands of innocent civilians, then I offer my apologies.

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

There is no presumption. I am responding to posts that have been made on this forum. If I got it wrong and you don't support U.S./Israel/Saudi attacks that have killed thousands of innocent civilians, then I offer my apologies.

 

Yes, you got it wrong.

Nations around the world are watching the cave rescue intently because they care more about soccer players than terrorists.  Same thing happened when miners were trapped in Chile.    Syria...not so much.

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2 hours ago, marcus said:

 If I got it wrong and you don't support U.S./Israel/Saudi attacks that have killed thousands of innocent civilians, then I offer my apologies.

Don't be a hypocrite. You saw an opening to push your agenda forward and you jumped on it. You will not attract like minded people to your cause by attacking people who display empathy for other humans.

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On 7/7/2018 at 5:09 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

This is a daunting task....some of these kids don't even know how to swim.   Time and distance are working against them.   Drilling means going down half a mile.

 

thailandrescuechildren0307.jpg?width=136

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/thailand-cave-rescue-graphic-shows-extraordinary-route-to-boys-trapped-in-tham-luang-a3878786.html

They don't need to swim.  There are harnesses and tethers, all they have to do is breathe.  They could have stage people at each dry section guiding them by lifeline.  It's not as daunting as they make it seem.  I suspect they'll all get out just fine.

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7 hours ago, capricorn said:

Don't be a hypocrite. You saw an opening to push your agenda forward and you jumped on it. You will not attract like minded people to your cause by attacking people who display empathy for other humans.

I advocate for universal empathy and human rights. not selective like some people here. If you don't want to join in, that's your decision. 

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12 hours ago, marcus said:

There is no presumption. I am responding to posts that have been made on this forum. If I got it wrong and you don't support U.S./Israel/Saudi attacks that have killed thousands of innocent civilians, then I offer my apologies.


 

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Every single person who has posted above is a full-on hypocrite. Pretending to show concern and compassion for these boys in Thailand, while they fully back things like this that have killed scores of civilians, including children:

Under the Trump administration, airstrikes have escalated dramatically in Iraq and Syria, sending claims of civilian casualties skyrocketing.

 

 

So.....your hate for USA and Israel had erased any feelings of compassion for you when it comes to people that are not members of your preferred tribe?  That's what you're showing here. 

 

You begrudge the emotional outpourings by posters here. You can't allow that to happen in peace.

You're trying to diminish the harrowing story (that sees the world in unison, as they watch - some even providing physical support in their concerted  effort to save these children), as nothing more but a POLITICAL platform for you to use........ to spew your hate?

 

 

 

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I advocate for universal empathy and human rights. not selective like some people here. If you don't want to join in, that's your decision. 

 

I don't think you understand.....or even know, what empathy is.   How can you?   When it seems you're incapable of feeling it.

 

 

TALKING POINTS!   That's all your words are.   The only one hypocritical is you, coming to this thread and repeating TALKING POINTS........................... trying to pass them off for, "feelings." 

  Gee.....you sound like a robot that's been programmed. 

 

Go somewhere else, to do your recruitment for your anti-US/Israel/Saudi club.  Stop spewing your hate on this thread.

  Have some decency.

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19 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes, you got it wrong.

Nations around the world are watching the cave rescue intently because they care more about soccer players than terrorists.  Same thing happened when miners were trapped in Chile.    Syria...not so much.

Nice.

Syrians are all terrorists. Capricorn has "liked" your comment.

Marcus has a point. You are all hypocrites.

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3 hours ago, Hudson Jones said:

Nice.

Syrians are all terrorists. Capricorn has "liked" your comment.

Marcus has a point. You are all hypocrites.

 

Lots more media attention today for more rescues from the cave in Thailand....around the world.

Syria...not so much.   

The world has a point.  

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I think it's a great story and I'm rooting for them personally. 

This is not about whether or not these kids deserve our attention or empathy. 

Just like Marcus, I find this so-called empathy you're trying to display here somewhat comedic, considering the ruthless, soulless comments you and others make here. Just look at your Syrians are terrorists comment. Thumbs up buddy!

 

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7 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

I think it's a great story and I'm rooting for them personally. 

This is not about whether or not these kids deserve our attention or empathy. 

Just like Marcus, I find this so-called empathy you're trying to display here somewhat comedic, considering the ruthless, soulless comments you and others make here. Just look at your Syrians are terrorists comment. Thumbs up buddy!

 

 

Then stop whining about it and stay on topic.   Go start a thread on Syria so the world can ignore that too.

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