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29 minutes ago, taxme said:

I think that is silly and ridiculous for wanting to support another candidate from another party just because you liked what he or she says or stands for. That does not help your party from maybe winning an election. Every vote counts for a political party at election time. If that person and their party you voted for loses the election well then what has that done for you now?  Their stand on whatever you liked will go nowhere. They lost the election. 

So I should vote for an idiot just because of his party affiliation?

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Harper did. In fact, Harper increased immigration. Why wouldn't Scheer? The rest of what you say is correct. Scheer would be a huge improvement over Trudeau. But if you think he's going to cut

Bernier's position on supply management/trade, immigration is compatible with mine.   I'm interested.

I think Canada's politics are dynamic enough that it's hard to predict, and not useful to simply resign to the idea that the right vote will be split and that otherwise things will remain the same. Th

22 minutes ago, Machjo said:

So I should vote for an idiot just because of his party affiliation?

There will be no doubt that the other party will have an idiot or three also in that other party. So, what's your point? 

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1 hour ago, taxme said:

There will be no doubt that the other party will have an idiot or three also in that other party. So, what's your point? 

If the party leader is a genius but his colleagues are all fools, you'll have a dysfunctional party in the House. If the party leader is an idiot but his party members in the House are wise and competent people of character, they can still share valuable ideas in the House. Remember, an MP can always resign from his caucus and vote independently of his party in the House. He can also try to talk some sense to his leader or even vote to change leader That's why I vote for the best candidate, since the party will be only as good as its caucus members.

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4 hours ago, turningrite said:

For all those who believe Bernier's party will automatically lead to a Trudeau majority next year, this week's election in New Brunswick suggests that strong third-party support could well ensure a minority government. I don't believe Scheer's CPC can get a majority, so a minority government, whether led by the Libs or CPC, is probably the best outcome we can hope for.

Any minority government would be Liiberal and NDP, and they would spend their time elbowing each other to offer up the most goodies, and out-progressive each other. It would be worse than a Liberal government.

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1 hour ago, Machjo said:

If the party leader is a genius but his colleagues are all fools, you'll have a dysfunctional party in the House. If the party leader is an idiot but his party members in the House are wise and competent people of character, they can still share valuable ideas in the House. Remember, an MP can always resign from his caucus and vote independently of his party in the House. He can also try to talk some sense to his leader or even vote to change leader That's why I vote for the best candidate, since the party will be only as good as its caucus members.

My personal feelings are that there are not enough Canadian politicians who are competent enough or have any character to run Canada. I think that the government of Canada is totally dysfunctional. They all pretty much appear to be politically correct puppet on a string politicians who seem to be only to willing to take their marching orders from the globalist/corporate elite banksters and special interest minority groups. My opinion of course. 

A lot of good it will do an MP to resign from his party and go independent. Independents really never go anywhere. They just end up being a lone wolf in the vast wilderness. 

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2 minutes ago, taxme said:

My personal feelings are that there are not enough Canadian politicians who are competent enough or have any character to run Canada. I think that the government of Canada is totally dysfunctional. They all pretty much appear to be politically correct puppet on a string politicians who seem to be only to willing to take their marching orders from the globalist/corporate elite banksters and special interest minority groups. My opinion of course. 

A lot of good it will do an MP to resign from his party and go independent. Independents really never go anywhere. They just end up being a lone wolf in the vast wilderness. 

Even a backbencher gets his one vote in the House.

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17 hours ago, taxme said:

A lot of good it will do an MP to resign from his party and go independent. Independents really never go anywhere. They just end up being a lone wolf in the vast wilderness. 

I think Bernier's effort may turn out to be different. He's fairly well known and if he is serious about tackling immigration and refugee policy, an area avoided by the traditional mainstream parties, his party might have greater visibility and garner more support than achieved by other breakaway political movements. Also, Bernier apparently acknowledges that Canadians are effectively being held hostage in a number of sectors by entrenched cartels and monopolies. I've long believed this to be the case. If he can make a coherent case as to how this can be combated, a lot of voters might be willing to give his party a chance. I figure that provided the NDP is able to hold at least 15 percent support (a bit of a risk I suppose, given that the NDP appears to be in decline), Bernier's party only needs about 20 percent support to ensure that we don't get another Liberal majority next year, and if Bernier's group can pick up more seats than the NDP next year a CPC minority with PPC support may well be as likely as a Lib-NDP coalition. The biggest risk that might emerge would be that to thwart a CPC-PPC government NDP supporters might hold their noses and flock to the Libs. But as polling suggests the Libs and NDP are both vulnerable to bleeding some support to Bernier's party, this might not be as big a risk as some might assume to be the case.

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1 hour ago, taxme said:

I thought we were talking about an MP resigning and not backbenchers? 

An MP who resigns from his party caucus, unless he resigns from Parliament too, still keeps his vote, and even the Prime Minister himself has only one vote that is worth no more and no less than that of the backbencher.

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23 hours ago, Machjo said:

If the party leader is a genius but his colleagues are all fools, you'll have a dysfunctional party in the House. If the party leader is an idiot but his party members in the House are wise and competent people of character, they can still share valuable ideas in the House. Remember, an MP can always resign from his caucus and vote independently of his party in the House. He can also try to talk some sense to his leader or even vote to change leader That's why I vote for the best candidate, since the party will be only as good as its caucus members.

I hope your not saying that the liberals MP's are genius, because we already know Justin is not the brains of the outfit....or should I say the brains of people kind because we want to be more inclusive.....

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23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I hope your not saying that the liberals MP's are genius, because we already know Justin is not the brains of the outfit....or should I say the brains of people kind because we want to be more inclusive.....

I wasn't referring to any party in particular. I was addressing a general principle. But yes, we can always find a fool in any party.

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