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The question is----when will the balloon blow up?:rolleyes:

MAGA--President Trump is playing the globe in his hands

Presidential Candidate Trump made great many promise to his voters.

President Trump hasn't achieved anything real to keep his promise but using his conman skills to fool his brainless hard-core supporters:

Presidential Candidate Trump promise to build a border wall paid by foreign countries. President Trump does begin to build the wall at the expense of American taxpayer's money...

Presidential Candidate Trump promise to destroy Obamacare. President Trump gives Americans an Obamacare-without-Obama....

Presidential Candidate Trump promise to come out a new strategy to win unwinnable wars. President Trump reveals that his new strategy is just to make peace with Russia---It would be a brilliant idea if US could afford to pay what Putin asked for...

.....

But all these can't blow the balloon in President Trump's hands up because his hardcore supporters are too dimwitted to see his failure.

The only thing which can blow up the balloon which is inflated by Trump's conman skills is the economy.

At this point, I guess my American friend BC2004-----I had to say, when I used word "dimwitted" on Trump supporters, I almost forgot there were some Americans like BC2004 were also Trump supporters, for the time being of course-----would say: "President Trump has been doing great on economy. Stock market is soaring, trade deals are making, China is surrendering:P..."

But there is one thing which a conman can not do. Just like a magician can make a girl in a sealed box on stage disappearing from audience's eyes but he can not  make the girl disappearing from the  real world.

I guess the balloon will blow up at the time when the long term economy data comes out. His supporter will see that the trade deficit will still widen, American debt will still increase, China will still be there neither surrendering nor collapsing, all new trade deals will essentially be no different from Obama's versions.....and no jobs will come back America unless American workers would accept the salary of their third-world counterparts.... :lol::(

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Americans care much more about the fact that a wall is being built than who is paying for it. Mexico paying for it would have been icing on the cake, but we have the worst immigration policies and borders in the entire world. We are not a poor country, we can afford to make changes that we want, and we don't need the endorsement of Mexico to secure our border with Mexico, it should simply be the standard. This was kind of a one issue election, considering Secretary Clinton was unironically pro open borders(The progressives are, and she's nothing if not a progressive mouthpiece), and wanted to bring in many more of those muslim asylum seekers we all love so god damn much. (even though when it comes down to it they don't seem to have a problem with raping infidels and murdering them.) I mean who wouldn't want to save Muhammad Albajeradeen, hes just a oppressed 28 year old fighting age man from Qatar, I'm sure it'll be fine!

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20 hours ago, anon1111 said:

Americans care much more about the fact that a wall is being built than who is paying for it. Mexico paying for it would have been icing on the cake, but we have the worst immigration policies and borders in the entire world. We are not a poor country, we can afford to make changes that we want, and we don't need the endorsement of Mexico to secure our border with Mexico, it should simply be the standard. This was kind of a one issue election, considering Secretary Clinton was unironically pro open borders(The progressives are, and she's nothing if not a progressive mouthpiece), and wanted to bring in many more of those muslim asylum seekers we all love so god damn much. (even though when it comes down to it they don't seem to have a problem with raping infidels and murdering them.) I mean who wouldn't want to save Muhammad Albajeradeen, hes just a oppressed 28 year old fighting age man from Qatar, I'm sure it'll be fine!

You would be right if you said these in 1950s....

A noble usually isn't considered as a poor person. But regarding to the nobles who I mentioned in the first post, since they owed too much to others and couldn't repay their debts, they were really poor people even if they still lived in their old extravagant lifestyle.

When a boy or a girl has graduated from high school and has fully control of his or her life at age of 18, he or she may feel that there are great many things awaiting him or her to do. He or she may want to enroll an university or a college, or buy a farm becoming a farmer like his or her father, or enroll army to win the unwinnable wars, or get married and buy a house, or buy a shiny brand new car or a boat, or just a video game console or a guitar... 

But if he isn't the son or daughter of a billionaire and his or her money is limited, he or she should plan carefully to decide which things should do first and which should do later. If he or she put the priority on the wrong things and wastes his or her limited money and time, a few decades later his or her life may end up like this way...

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On 8/28/2018 at 8:09 AM, xul said:

At this point, I guess my American friend BC2004-----I had to say, when I used word "dimwitted" on Trump supporters, I almost forgot there were some Americans like BC2004 were also Trump supporters, for the time being of course-----would say: "President Trump has been doing great on economy. Stock market is soaring, trade deals are making, China is surrendering:P..."

 

I don't know why you are specifically pointing your finger at me...I did not vote for President Trump specifically because he would increase federal deficits and national debt, just like President Obama.    However, Trump's most important achievement was preventing Hillary Clinton from becoming president.   His expensive tax legislation is bringing back American capital to the USA, fostering more employment, and increasing consumer confidence.   Trump has already appointed one SC justice, and is about to add another for conservatives.  Unlike Obama, Trump has not started another shooting war (e.g. Libya), and his efforts with the DPRK are welcomed by many in the region.    Many Canadians have also started to question illegal immigration across the border despite their criticism of Trump.

"Dimwitted" or not, Trump's American supporters are free to stick with their guy just as much as any previous American president's "base".  Opinions from Canada and elsewhere are less than dimwitted...they are irrelevant.   Canadian or Russian or Chinese interference in U.S. politics will not materially affect outcomes.  

Donald Trump is just another American president with successes and failures,  just like previous presidents.    There will be others...nothing you can do about that.

Either way, America will not end up like this.....

 

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4 hours ago, xul said:

You would be right if you said these in 1950s....

A noble usually isn't considered as a poor person. But regarding to the nobles who I mentioned in the first post, since they owed too much to others and couldn't repay their debts, they were really poor people even if they still lived in their old extravagant lifestyle.

When a boy or a girl has graduated from high school and has fully control of his or her life at age of 18, he or she may feel that there are great many things awaiting him or her to do. He or she may want to enroll an university or a college, or buy a farm becoming a farmer like his or her father, or enroll army to win the unwinnable wars, or get married and buy a house, or buy a shiny brand new car or a boat, or just a video game console or a guitar... 

But if he isn't the son or daughter of a billionaire and his or her money is limited, he or she should plan carefully to decide which things should do first and which should do later. If he or she put the priority on the wrong things and wastes his or her limited money and time, a few decades later his or her life may end up like this way...

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Hillary and Obama were nothing more but puppets on a string for the globalist corporate zionist banksters who are responsible for the picture above. And with their control of the MSM all their evil deeds were never going to be exposed. Before the sixties, pictures like this one above were never seen on American streets in the numbers that we see today. Now they are seen everywhere thanks to those evil batard scumbags that pretty much now run and rule and are ruining the world. Until the people start to wake up that Trump was not the problem for America' s downfall but who instead is trying to fix that downfall. Sometimes the people are their own worse enemy.  They keep voting for the scum swampsters that want to keep that picture alive and well and carry on in America. Voting for the democrats will keep pictures like that above keep getting posted. If you want socialism then the picture above is what you will get and more of. 

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6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I don't know why you are specifically pointing your finger at me...I did not vote for President Trump specifically because he would increase federal deficits and national debt, just like President Obama.    However, Trump's most important achievement was preventing Hillary Clinton from becoming president.   His expensive tax legislation is bringing back American capital to the USA, fostering more employment, and increasing consumer confidence.   Trump has already appointed one SC justice, and is about to add another for conservatives.  Unlike Obama, Trump has not started another shooting war (e.g. Libya), and his efforts with the DPRK are welcomed by many in the region.    Many Canadians have also started to question illegal immigration across the border despite their criticism of Trump.

"Dimwitted" or not, Trump's American supporters are free to stick with their guy just as much as any previous American president's "base".  Opinions from Canada and elsewhere are less than dimwitted...they are irrelevant.   Canadian or Russian or Chinese interference in U.S. politics will not materially affect outcomes.  

Donald Trump is just another American president with successes and failures,  just like previous presidents.    There will be others...nothing you can do about that.

Either way, America will not end up like this.....

 

china-rural-disposable-income.jpg

I apologize if I have offended you by my "name-calling:rolleyes:" style. Trust me I have no intention to offend you. I'm also not an US hater.

I often mention your name because, I think you don't know, I randomly login this forum mostly just for reading your reaction to some event which I'm interested. It's nothing personal. It's just a method like which economists use to study stock market. They needn't to study every company in stock market because they will be overwhelmed by the data flooding in. They just need to take a few companies performance as index to study, then they will know the overall performance of a certain sector of the market. 

I don't think this forum has any influence on American politics since it is mainly a Canadian political forum and there are only a few members in this forum, comparing to some popular social media like tweeter:P -----you know, there are a lot of witless brains waiting for being washed and programmed by con-politicians:lol:

As for "America will not end up like this", honestly, I'm not sure.

I admire your confidence in your country. but if you go to a library to read some history books, you will find that a lot of people had said these words before. Stalin had said them. Churchill also said them. I guess Napoleon and Caesar said them as well.

No empire can live forever. The only question is, when and how?

I believe the only way which can truly turn the tide is to do the same thing which Deng Xiao Ping did in China 40 years ago. I don't mean using Tian An Men tanks---though President Trump may really need some since the reform is very painful.:lol::P

As for long term consequence of Trump's tariff stunt show, I take auto industary for example:

If I was Canadian PM, I would directly fly to Washington right now, begging President trump to reach a bilateral zero-tariff agreement.

Just imagine, the price of made-in-American cars rises ?% because the manufacturers need to pay tariff for importing made-in-China parts and materials. Meanwhile made-in-Canada cars rise zero because the manufacturers needn't to pay extra tariff. And the tariff between US and Canada is also zero. So, what will consumers do? What will manufacturers do.....if they are not witless?:rolleyes:

So the long term consequence is: 

China still exports the same quantity of goods, but the destination will no longer be US but Canada

Manufacturers will move their factories into Canada to avoid Trump's tariff and make Canada great again

American will still have the same quantity of trade deficit, but no longer with China but with Canada

And... I guess your Americans's solution is:

Elect another President, tear off all agreements which made by President Trump, and begin to bargain a new generation of deals...:)

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20 minutes ago, xul said:

And... I guess your Americans's solution is:

Elect another President, tear off all agreements which made by President Trump, and begin to bargain a new generation of deals...:)

 

I have socks that are older than NAFTA....it's no big deal to me.    Ross Perot (who I campaigned for as a volunteer) warned us about NAFTA, which later became a bigger sucking sound from China.    They all want a piece of the American market and jobs.   There are more Canadians, Chinese, and Mexicans in the USA than Americans in any of those countries.

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4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I have socks that are older than NAFTA....it's no big deal to me.    Ross Perot (who I campaigned for as a volunteer) warned us about NAFTA, which later became a bigger sucking sound from China.    They all want a piece of the American market and jobs.   There are more Canadians, Chinese, and Mexicans in the USA than Americans in any of those countries.

I can't see what your want to explain.

In 1800s, there were more British in China than Chinese in Britain, which didn't indicate that China was rising and Britain was falling.....the indication was quite contrary. 

In 1700s, all lower classes in Europe wanted to sell their goods and service to nobility with credit. Which didn't mean the nobility would not fall later. 

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6 minutes ago, xul said:

I can't see what your want to explain.

In 1800s, there were more British in China than Chinese in Britain, which didn't indicate that China was rising and Britain was falling.....the indication was quite contrary. 

In 1700s, all lower classes in Europe wanted to sell their goods and service to nobility with credit. Which didn't mean the nobility would not fall later. 

 

So when will China get its "empire" back ?    Maybe sell their Great Wall to Trump.

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3 hours ago, taxme said:

Hillary and Obama were nothing more but puppets on a string for the globalist corporate zionist banksters who are responsible for the picture above. And with their control of the MSM all their evil deeds were never going to be exposed. Before the sixties, pictures like this one above were never seen on American streets in the numbers that we see today. Now they are seen everywhere thanks to those evil batard scumbags that pretty much now run and rule and are ruining the world. Until the people start to wake up that Trump was not the problem for America' s downfall but who instead is trying to fix that downfall. Sometimes the people are their own worse enemy.  They keep voting for the scum swampsters that want to keep that picture alive and well and carry on in America. Voting for the democrats will keep pictures like that above keep getting posted. If you want socialism then the picture above is what you will get and more of. 

In 1930s newspapers, you can see more pictures like this one.

I think the fall of US power didn't begin from the globalization in 1990s, but far before it, it was from the start of the Cold War in 1950s.

Though Soviet was defeated in the Cold War, US was also exhausted during the struggle with USSR(It seems like Hitler's plan partially worked). Just think,at the beginning of the Cold War, US had the economic power to rebuild the whole west Europe, but at the end of the Cold War, US was deeply in debt. No need to mentioning the rise of China is the direct consequence of the Cold War. But don't blame Kissinger. Mao was nearly 80 years old then. If US didn't act swift, I'm sure Brezhnev would step in after Mao's death, and the consequence would be far more catastrophic.

The globalization was a strategy which meant to save the economy of US and the West. For winning the Cold War, the western capitalists had to give in to the demand of working class, to show working class in communist countries how good the western system was to encourage them to overthrow their communist rullers.

When the USSR collapsed, the western capitalists suddenly found they had given in too much to lower class in their countries so the cost of their home-country-made good was too high  to any consumers to  bear.

So there were 2 solutions:

Solution 1 was taking back what they had given to lower class during the Cold War, which was suppose to as hard as taking a fish back from the mouth of a cat:P

Solution 2 was out-sourcing low paying jobs to foreign countries, so the capitalist would take most gravy from the pot meanwhile the lower class in the West would still maintain their living standard since the jobs were gone and their income went down but the price of good also went down.

It seemed like the solution 2 was the smart one, so the rulers of the West went down this way.

They just forgot their masterpiece of their political-correctness----the people who lived in third world countries were also human, which means they were not as witless as cows and horses which only did what their master told them to do, never had the ambition to do what their masters was doing...

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52 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So when will China get its "empire" back ?    Maybe sell their Great Wall to Trump.

I'm not sure if it would happen. It seems like President Trump doesn't have enough money to buy the Great Wall, even a far cheaper iron sheets one with such size. 

Maybe both US and China will fall during the struggle of a cold war or a hot war, like Britain and Germany did in WW2 and leave Russia or India to take the trophy.....who knows?

I always wonder, if Churchill and Hitler had a time tunnel to see the world after WW2, would they be able to reach some kind of peace agreement by some means?  

Sometimes I think Trump is doing something good unintentionally to both China and US. A tariff war is better than a cold war or a hot war. It give the people of both sides to test their countries's strength without risking any dangerous escalation like the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I have socks that are older than NAFTA....it's no big deal to me.    Ross Perot (who I campaigned for as a volunteer) warned us about NAFTA, which later became a bigger sucking sound from China.    They all want a piece of the American market and jobs.   There are more Canadians, Chinese, and Mexicans in the USA than Americans in any of those countries.

I'm not sure Ross Perot would get success if he was elected.

America has a democracy system, which has advantage and disadvantage.

The disadvantage is:

To do any kind of reform, a president needs to persuade American people, not like Deng Xiao Ping, to use tanks to persuade people.

But in most cases, people are too shortsighted to see their long term benefits. Everyone wants a cheap solution. Everybody wants to take the easy way.  This is the real problem every president has to face.

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20 minutes ago, xul said:

The disadvantage is:

To do any kind of reform, a president needs to persuade American people, not like Deng Xiao Ping, to use tanks to persuade people.

But in most cases, people are too shortsighted to see their long term benefits. Everyone wants a cheap solution. Everybody wants to take the easy way.  This is the real problem every president has to face.

 

Maybe, but all my life I have seen plenty of Chinese nationals coming to the USA to take advantage of all that disadvantage.  

The Japanese Imperial Army wanted to take the easy way in China, but the disadvantaged U.S. president had other, short term plans.

 

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On 8/29/2018 at 9:30 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Maybe, but all my life I have seen plenty of Chinese nationals coming to the USA to take advantage of all that disadvantage.  

The Japanese Imperial Army wanted to take the easy way in China, but the disadvantaged U.S. president had other, short term plans.

 

BC2004 is talking political-correctness like a leftist....LOL, just joking

When you compare two system, sometimes the size matters.

For example:

You can not simply say: "My Windows desktop computer is faster than my iPhone, so Windows performs better than iOS"----If you take a windows phone to compare with iPhone, you will find the result quite contrary.

If Japan was as large as China and Germany was as large as Soviet, the history might have gone down to a very different way.

Advantage and disadvantage differs under different circumstances.

For example:

Even in a democracy system, the military is authoritarian. People can elect their president, but soldiers can not elect their command officer. Why? Because sometimes you have to have someone to make the decision, sometimes you can not afford to waste time on endless discussion. Everyone who joins the army just wants to be a hero not a died man, but sometimes someone needs the authority to ask some of them to take the risk to die.

But sometimes, even in military, democracy has its advantage. Officers and generals may spend many months discussing and arguing their war plans. Even Hitler had to put up with Zetizler and Guderian's blah blah blah.....in the last years of his life.

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1 hour ago, xul said:

If Japan was as large as China and Germany was as large as Soviet, the history might have gone down to a very different way.

 

And if my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle.

xul posts in riddles...does not like history of disadvantages and short term planning.

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7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

And if my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle.

xul posts in riddles...does not like history of disadvantages and short term planning.

In elementary school, feminist student BC2004 is helping teacher to grab the ears of a couple of male rabbits and pin the poor things on the dissect tables.

BC2004: Look! This is the proof that females always overpower males in the world.

Teacher: My dear, you win because you are human which size 30-50 times bigger than any rabbit, not because they have balls and you haven't....:P:lol:

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On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 8:03 AM, xul said:

In elementary school, feminist student BC2004 is helping teacher to grab the ears of a couple of male rabbits and pin the poor things on the dissect tables.

BC2004: Look! This is the proof that females always overpower males in the world.

Teacher: My dear, you win because you are human which size 30-50 times bigger than any rabbit, not because they have balls and you haven't....:P:lol:

Well Mr. Xul, I think the base forces which all of the power hungry, regardless of political stripes are attempting to invoke, remind me of Dr. Frankenstein’s monster. Or maybe some creation from the Island of Dr. Moreau. Our national pollical system is being run by mad scientists. Even Bernie Sanders, who was seen in the 2016 run as an independent voice, has given up his “revolution”. If you’ve seen his recent interviews,  they are sad. The guy sounds completely defeated. I don’t know if Nancy Pelosi put on her belly dancing outfit and svengalied the poor guy, or what. It’s like somebody got to Bernie and turned him into another brick of establishment DC.

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