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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

And its already too late anyways, Beijing has lost face, Canada is getting a beat down, whether they let her go or not, Beijing is very angry naow, Canada is about to get a taste, and its going to go on for awhile, until Beijing has its pound of flesh.

 

Yeah...you are right...the horse has already left the barn.    This pooch is screwed.      Rookies !

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There's only one thing to do in this situation, and that is go over to the offensive, escalate precipitously  and drag the rest of FVEY into the breach, maybe even take some military action against Beijing, with CSEC, use the NSA code.

Not that Climate Barbies would ever consider that.

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And if you're going to do a snatch from your own Judiciary?  Go all the way, JTF2 and into a undisclosed location, don't give her to Beijing, and don't give her to Washington neither, extra judicial black hole,  Meng who?  Never heard of her.

 

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Oh, and invoke the Emergencies Act, say that Canada is under attack by foreign powers and you are declaring a state of military emergency, martial law.

Once you have invoked war, then CSEC and CANSOFCOM are free to do whatever is necessary, start rounding up the Chicoms spies, left and right,

Round up the CIA NOC's too, make Langley either own them or disavow them.

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Basically wrap yourself in the Liberal Party of Canada Flag, and then go Crazy Canuck, make it so big that its Washington's problem, and "Just Watch Me" into a generational government of nationalist heroes.

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9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Justin Trudeau channels his inner Trump and fires the ambassador to China (John McCallum) because of comments he made about the Weng affair.

I bet it felt good...even for Trudeau.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mccallum-out-ambassador-1.4994492

Except McCallum is the only one who knows how to deal with Beijing, that's why they picked him.  

I mean, who are they gonna send to Beijing now? Climate Barbie?  That didn't go over so well the last time, they got kicked to the curb.

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On 12/10/2018 at 2:04 PM, taxme said:

I don't think that Canada and Trudeau wants to phuc around with America and Trump. Our bread and butter depends on America and Trump. We can survive without China. 

America 2018 gdp growth 3.5%

china 6.8 %

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4 hours ago, Jimwd said:

America 2018 gdp growth 3.5%

china 6.8 %

American markets up. More jobs created. Removal of MS13 gang killers. Unemployment down. Dollar doing way better than our Canadian peso. For more go to Trump Promises or Trump News websites. :D

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4 hours ago, taxme said:

American markets up. More jobs created. Removal of MS13 gang killers. Unemployment down. Dollar doing way better than our Canadian peso. For more go to Trump Promises or Trump News websites. :D

Really huh? You sure? In  2016 it cost me 1.50 Canadian to buy an American dollar. This morning it’s cost me 1.32. The US dollar has lost about 15% in value against all other currencies, 

Your  opinion is as flawed as your easily disproven fake facts,

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18 hours ago, Jimwd said:

Really huh? You sure? In  2016 it cost me 1.50 Canadian to buy an American dollar. This morning it’s cost me 1.32. The US dollar has lost about 15% in value against all other currencies, 

Your  opinion is as flawed as your easily disproven fake facts,

You got ripped off big time if you had to pay $1.50 for one American dollar. I have never paid anywhere near that ever. Of course what I am saying here about Trump is all fake news to you. You don't like America all that much nor Trump anyway. No matter, the American economy is doing quite well compared to ours. The Canadian dollar against the American dollar tells me that. You listen too much to CNN/MSNBC/CBC. All proven by Trump to be all fake news and liar outlets. They show just how fake they are every day. They constantly get caught up in spreading bull chit and lies. I will take Trump over who ever is your democratic hero of the day. 

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33 minutes ago, taxme said:

You got ripped off big time if you had to pay $1.50 for one American dollar. I have never paid anywhere near that ever. Of course what I am saying here about Trump is all fake news to you. You don't like America all that much nor Trump anyway. No matter, the American economy is doing quite well compared to ours. The Canadian dollar against the American dollar tells me that. You listen too much to CNN/MSNBC/CBC. All proven by Trump to be all fake news and liar outlets. They show just how fake they are every day. They constantly get caught up in spreading bull chit and lies. I will take Trump over who ever is your democratic hero of the day. 

The currency exchange market is listed on line easily to look up any year.Fact..American dollar has lost value.. currency price is determined by demand. It’s that simple. The demand for US dollars has dropped compared to when Obama was president.

2015 and 2016 were all time record years for American auto sales. Gm had record corporate profits  during those years,

2018 under trump 5 gm plants are closing. Just the facts all easily verifiable,

 

oh and farmers werent on  welfare because of failed tariffs under Obama.

the only person spreading fake news is you with your tribal cult mentality,

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Trudeau committed himself not to get involved in the legal process. So if we now wait the time period for this could be years. This is the kind of case that goes all the way to the top court unless Trudeau pressures his Justice boys not to push an appeal.

Here is the issue. As some said we don't extradite for something that is not a crime in Canada. THE CEO is up for fraud which is a crime but fraud as to sanctions vs Iran which is not a crime... in Canada.. so a fraud about something not a crime in Canada may not be sufficient to extradite.

It's not clear at all on that one. It could go either way. Then there is the fact Trump said openmy he would consider sending the CEO back for favourable trade terms. When he said that he turned the extradition process into a political one.

We also don't extradite if it can be shown the process is being used for political purposes which Trump's public comment may establish as the motive for the extradition request.

So it's a very 50-50 kind of legal issue that could go all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada if the gov. appeals any decision that releasesher. Also the US government can be an intervenor and argue it's best interests meaning if we did not appeal a lower court decision if it did release her, the US might get ticked off if we don't appeal. Also her lawyer will appeal it to the last and highest court if they lose.

It's a no win situation for all sides.

The US did this to punish Trudeau for saying he would expand trade with China which would come at the expense of US trade. It was also a response to Trudeau ignoring the 5 Eyes intelligence alliance saying he waa going to give gov. approval for Hua Wei to engage in Canadian gov. and university business. Trudeau had his hands slapped. Now China feels betrayed by him. Two days ago Canada awarded a competitor to China a contract ear marked for Hua Wei before this fiasco.

China overplayed it's hand, Trudeau is over his head, but the message is out. You want to hire Hua Wei, no one in the West will back you. China and Hua Wei are considered a spybot not to be trusted by the West. Took awhile for Trudeau to understand this.

 

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23 hours ago, Jimwd said:

The currency exchange market is listed on line easily to look up any year.Fact..American dollar has lost value.. currency price is determined by demand. It’s that simple. The demand for US dollars has dropped compared to when Obama was president.

2015 and 2016 were all time record years for American auto sales. Gm had record corporate profits  during those years,

2018 under trump 5 gm plants are closing. Just the facts all easily verifiable,

 

oh and farmers werent on  welfare because of failed tariffs under Obama.

the only person spreading fake news is you with your tribal cult mentality,

You are the one that ended up paying out $1.50 Canadian for one dollar American. How silly is that? And you think that I am the dumb one here? :DI can now see that you are one of those leftist liberals from Victoria who despise Trump but do not know why. Vancouver is full of mindless leftist liberal environmentalists who are clueless to how the world really works.

When Obamarama was the president of America he put America into debt to the tune of $21 trillion dollars. Jobs were lost, taxes raised,  illegal immigration gone crazy. More communist rules and regulations to stifle growth. America was the loser when it came to tariffs and trade deals until Trump came along. Trump changed all of that ripping off of America.

Our farmers are crying because they now have to learn how to compete or get Trudeau to help bail them out. Farmers are now on Canadian taxpayer's welfare rolls just like the leftist liberal media now is here in Canada thanks to comrade Trudeau. Leftist liberals like comrade Trudeau are totally clueless when it comes to try and run a country. They are communists and only believe that government knows best. This is one reason why our dollar is so low compared to the American dollar. We do not have leaders who like Trump that want to run the government like a business and not like a government who believes that welfare and handing out Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars to legal and illegal refugees. That is why nobody wants our Canadian dollar because it is virtually worthless. Everybody wants the American dollar. No one wants our Canadian peso. 

It sure looks to me like you belong to one of those leftist liberal tribal cults yourself with plenty of your/their spreading of fake news. Just saying. 

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23 hours ago, Rue said:

Trudeau committed himself not to get involved in the legal process. So if we now wait the time period for this could be years. This is the kind of case that goes all the way to the top court unless Trudeau pressures his Justice boys not to push an appeal.

Here is the issue. As some said we don't extradite for something that is not a crime in Canada. THE CEO is up for fraud which is a crime but fraud as to sanctions vs Iran which is not a crime... in Canada.. so a fraud about something not a crime in Canada may not be sufficient to extradite.

It's not clear at all on that one. It could go either way. Then there is the fact Trump said openmy he would consider sending the CEO back for favourable trade terms. When he said that he turned the extradition process into a political one.

We also don't extradite if it can be shown the process is being used for political purposes which Trump's public comment may establish as the motive for the extradition request.

So it's a very 50-50 kind of legal issue that could go all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada if the gov. appeals any decision that releasesher. Also the US government can be an intervenor and argue it's best interests meaning if we did not appeal a lower court decision if it did release her, the US might get ticked off if we don't appeal. Also her lawyer will appeal it to the last and highest court if they lose.

It's a no win situation for all sides.

The US did this to punish Trudeau for saying he would expand trade with China which would come at the expense of US trade. It was also a response to Trudeau ignoring the 5 Eyes intelligence alliance saying he waa going to give gov. approval for Hua Wei to engage in Canadian gov. and university business. Trudeau had his hands slapped. Now China feels betrayed by him. Two days ago Canada awarded a competitor to China a contract ear marked for Hua Wei before this fiasco.

China overplayed it's hand, Trudeau is over his head, but the message is out. You want to hire Hua Wei, no one in the West will back you. China and Hua Wei are considered a spybot not to be trusted by the West. Took awhile for Trudeau to understand this.

 

Comrade Trudeau is either going to have play ball with the Americans or play ball with the Chinese. Either way the kid is going to lose and so will the rest of we the Canadian people. This would probably not be happening if it were not for our dear leader the prime mistake of Canada if they had played fair ball with the Americans in the trade negotiations. Christy Freeland made Canada look stupid in the negotiations by trying to include gender equality in the trade. Who negotiates gender equality in a deal or contract anyway? Allowing leftist liberals and socialists to run a country is a recipe for disaster. There is no doubt that Canada needs a leader like Trump or someone very close to Trump. 

Comrade Trudeau never understands anything. The only thing he understands is how to make Canada and Canadians look stupid. So far he has done a very good job at doing just that. :rolleyes:

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24 minutes ago, taxme said:

You are the one that ended up paying out $1.50 Canadian for one dollar American. How silly is that? And you think that I am the dumb one here? :DI can now see that you are one of those leftist liberals from Victoria who despise Trump but do not know why. Vancouver is full of mindless leftist liberal environmentalists who are clueless to how the world really works.

When Obamarama was the president of America he put America into debt to the tune of $21 trillion dollars. Jobs were lost, taxes raised,  illegal immigration gone crazy. More communist rules and regulations to stifle growth. America was the loser when it came to tariffs and trade deals until Trump came along. Trump changed all of that ripping off of America.

Our farmers are crying because they now have to learn how to compete or get Trudeau to help bail them out. Farmers are now on Canadian taxpayer's welfare rolls just like the leftist liberal media now is here in Canada thanks to comrade Trudeau. Leftist liberals like comrade Trudeau are totally clueless when it comes to try and run a country. They are communists and only believe that government knows best. This is one reason why our dollar is so low compared to the American dollar. We do not have leaders who like Trump that want to run the government like a business and not like a government who believes that welfare and handing out Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars to legal and illegal refugees. That is why nobody wants our Canadian dollar because it is virtually worthless. Everybody wants the American dollar. No one wants our Canadian peso. 

It sure looks to me like you belong to one of those leftist liberal tribal cults yourself with plenty of your/their spreading of fake news. Just saying. 

I am telling you the  currency exchange. I schooled you on your fake facts, There is one thing you do well though.,.joining the mind less  mob sheep chanting in lockstep. “Lock her up”

Have  considered moving south where you can chant in lockstep like the rest of the mindless sheep?

Real thinkers,

 

and I’m sure the check from mexico will arrive any day,

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On 1/29/2019 at 12:09 PM, taxme said:

You are the one that ended up paying out $1.50 Canadian for one dollar American. How silly is that? And you think that I am the dumb one here? :DI can now see that you are one of those leftist liberals from Victoria who despise Trump but do not know why. Vancouver is full of mindless leftist liberal environmentalists who are clueless to how the world really works.

When Obamarama was the president of America he put America into debt to the tune of $21 trillion dollars. Jobs were lost, taxes raised,  illegal immigration gone crazy. More communist rules and regulations to stifle growth. America was the loser when it came to tariffs and trade deals until Trump came along. Trump changed all of that ripping off of America.

Our farmers are crying because they now have to learn how to compete or get Trudeau to help bail them out. Farmers are now on Canadian taxpayer's welfare rolls just like the leftist liberal media now is here in Canada thanks to comrade Trudeau. Leftist liberals like comrade Trudeau are totally clueless when it comes to try and run a country. They are communists and only believe that government knows best. This is one reason why our dollar is so low compared to the American dollar. We do not have leaders who like Trump that want to run the government like a business and not like a government who believes that welfare and handing out Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars to legal and illegal refugees. That is why nobody wants our Canadian dollar because it is virtually worthless. Everybody wants the American dollar. No one wants our Canadian peso. 

It sure looks to me like you belong to one of those leftist liberal tribal cults yourself with plenty of your/their spreading of fake news. Just saying. 

Obama didn’t add any debt. The debt was Republican wars and financial crash. In fact Obama’s bailout netted the treasury 85 billion in profits. 

When obama left office the deficit was 500 billion. It’s now over 800 billion and this year will be over a trillion.

 

Here is the last 5 years exchange rate ans as you can see the dollarcwas stronger under Obama.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/canadian_dollar_exchange_rate

2015 and 2016 were record American auto sales and record corporate profits .

2018 5 gm plants closing 

 

 

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On 1/31/2019 at 5:13 PM, Jimwd said:

Obama didn’t add any debt. The debt was Republican wars and financial crash. In fact Obama’s bailout netted the treasury 85 billion in profits. 

When obama left office the deficit was 500 billion. It’s now over 800 billion and this year will be over a trillion.

 

Here is the last 5 years exchange rate ans as you can see the dollarcwas stronger under Obama.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/canadian_dollar_exchange_rate

2015 and 2016 were record American auto sales and record corporate profits .

2018 5 gm plants closing 

 

 

The debt went up to 21 trillion dollars under Obama's watch. Hello? Is it all just about Trump with you? :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, taxme said:

The debt went up to 21 trillion dollars under Obama's watch. Hello? Is it all just about Trump with you? :rolleyes:

That’s correct. Did you think Republican wars  and torture prisons were free. In the United States congress controls the money ,not the president. Unfortunately Obama had 6 years of republican control .

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4 hours ago, taxme said:

The debt went up to 21 trillion dollars under Obama's watch. Hello? Is it all just about Trump with you? :rolleyes:

So what?   It's a 21 trillion dollar economy.  That's 21 trillion dollars, every single year.   21 trillion is easily covered.  Most of it is owned by Americans anyways.

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22 hours ago, Jimwd said:

That’s correct. Did you think Republican wars  and torture prisons were free. In the United States congress controls the money ,not the president. Unfortunately Obama had 6 years of republican control .

Do you think that allowing in over twenty million illegals into America over the past few decades, and more to come as we have already seen happen, and is still going to happen thanks to more caravans on their way to America thanks to Pelosi and Shuckster that it will not cost one American dollar? Obamarama did nothing about the illegals entering America for his eight years of being the dictator of America. Do you think that they will get to stay in America for free? Yes they will. They also helped in ballooning the debt. 

Indeed, no party is exempt from being a part of the illegal immigration fiasco and the wars that Americans have got themselves into. But we can blame the American people for all of that as they have allowed the globalist international bankster elite cabal to prop up those wars and torture prisons. 

I believe that you and I may have gone a bit off topic here. I cannot say anymore on this discussion in this thread because I may get my ass kicked again by management for going off topic. So long. :D

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27 minutes ago, taxme said:

Do you think that allowing in over twenty million illegals into America over the past few decades, and more to come as we have already seen happen, and is still going to happen thanks to more caravans on their way to America thanks to Pelosi and Shuckster that it will not cost one American dollar? Obamarama did nothing about the illegals entering America for his eight years of being the dictator of America. Do you think that they will get to stay in America for free? Yes they will. They also helped in ballooning the debt. 

Indeed, no party is exempt from being a part of the illegal immigration fiasco and the wars that Americans have got themselves into. But we can blame the American people for all of that as they have allowed the globalist international bankster elite cabal to prop up those wars and torture prisons. 

I believe that you and I may have gone a bit off topic here. I cannot say anymore on this discussion in this thread because I may get my ass kicked again by management for going off topic. So long. :D

Economics 101 supply and demand. Do you understand that? Illegals that get into America are hired by Americans breaking their own laws. Why wouldn’t an illegal that needs a job over stay a visa or cross into America illegally when they know Americans have no problem violating the law by hiring them?

if American greed for low wage labor didn’t exist there wouldn’t  be an illegals problem.

 

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