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3 hours ago, cannuck said:

1. Anthro contribution is too small to be effective, 

2. Yes, it will be very hard, but it will be a hell of a lot easier than  ...

1. Too small ?  What do you mean ?

2. Disagree.  Not sure how you can force population change anyway.

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49 minutes ago, cannuck said:

editing mess!

 

49 minutes ago, cannuck said:

1.   A single large forest fire can put out far more carbon emissions that all of our efforts during the same time.  Mother nature dwarfs us when it comes to...well, just about everything.  But: I do have to admit that I have since done some reading and find I was in error.  The sum of some of the obvious natural emissions are still under what is generally claimed as anthropogenic contributions.  Where I believe the large errors in most assessments come from is the release of oxides of carbon from the oceans - which are by far the largest sink for CO2 of all.   From what I have read, the cycle is ocean temp UP = massive carbon release, whereas most claims assume it is the greenhouse gas/warming that raises ocean temp.  Of course, if the accumulated frozen CO2 in oceans ever gets released, we are gonners.  In the long story of climate change on earth, we have been at extremely high carbon levels (thus where all of that limestone comes from) and will probably get back to that whether our species is here on not.

What is 100% accurate is that population = anthro emissions in pretty much direct proportion.

 

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2.  I wish I knew the answer, but all I can say for certain if we do NOT do this by planning, it will happen by execution.  Read that in several ways, it comes down to the same thing.

 

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Humans are partly responsible. The effluent of many life forms that humans grow & rear for food is partly responsible. Changes to the very matter of earth are partly responsible. How each part may be countered with what mankind has already discovered plus what mankind may discover plus the actual but undiscoverable are all facing us. in other words we don't know.

Part of the story we do know how to fix. So sensible humans take action now. Not sensible humans need to put up or shut up'

This is all one of  those things that shouldn't have to be asked.

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48 minutes ago, Billious said:

Humans are partly responsible. The effluent of many life forms that humans grow & rear for food is partly responsible. Changes to the very matter of earth are partly responsible. How each part may be countered with what mankind has already discovered plus what mankind may discover plus the actual but undiscoverable are all facing us. in other words we don't know.

Part of the story we do know how to fix. So sensible humans take action now. Not sensible humans need to put up or shut up'

This is all one of  those things that shouldn't have to be asked.

No, you have that backwards.  We do know what is causing it, and we don't know how to fix it.  Not beyond the realm of fantasy, anyway.

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52 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, you have that backwards.  We do know what is causing it, and we don't know how to fix it.  Not beyond the realm of fantasy, anyway.

We don''t; we just pretend we know <_<

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Just now, egghead said:

We don''t; we just pretend we know <_<

I know.  You pretend.

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2 minutes ago, egghead said:

haha tell us :rolleyes:

I don't need to.  You already know what I know.  You just pretend it's not the case.

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Just now, bcsapper said:

I don't need to.  You already know what I know.  You just pretend it's not the case.

Unlike you, I don't pretend I know. I just don't know, and I am skeptical about it. 

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10 minutes ago, egghead said:

Unlike you, I don't pretend I know. I just don't know, and I am skeptical about it. 

Sure, if you want.

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44 minutes ago, egghead said:

Unlike you, I don't pretend I know. I just don't know, and I am skeptical about it. 

It's entirely appropriate to be skeptical because you think you know something the vast VAST majority of scientists don't know but it's utterly ridiculous to suggest ignorance provides any kind of a sound basis for skepticism.

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Yes of course we both know what humans directly & indirectly are doing & the fix but we don't know what the rest of the universe will do. We should certainly fix what we do know as a problem & at the same time keep a close eye on what the universe is doing reacting accordingly. 

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Canada lags behind many other nations when it comes to climate change R&D...Canadian media often refers to American or EU funded data collection and analysis.

 

Why is Canada so behind in research on climate change and health?

 

Lots of talk....but far less R&D spending.

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16 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's entirely appropriate to be skeptical because you think you know something the vast VAST majority of scientists don't know but it's utterly ridiculous to suggest ignorance provides any kind of a sound basis for skepticism.

funding driven scientists can kiss my "you know what" :rolleyes:

First of all, climate is never static. Thinking we are the major reason for climate changing is same as saying gender is the major reason that female tennis players are paid less. Then, you only need to study china environmental issues in the last 20 years. Climate changing is not same as environmental crisis.

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On 12/30/2018 at 9:56 AM, sillywalker said:

  The climate on this great planet of ours has been cyclical since the beginning of time and it continually heats and cools with an ice age about every 100,000 years , these are facts that they do not dispute . People have a small tiny part but for the most part the government sees it as an easy scare tactic to get more taxes from people.

 If this or any government was truly worried about the carbon footprint they would start by protecting our water sources because there is absolutely no use worrying about five hundred years from now if we have no water tomorrow. How long do humans live without water? People please think about it and use common sense .

I agree. Carbon tax (btw - created by the conservatives - first resisted but now championed by the liberals) will not stop the pollution. Multi-billionaire dollar companies will continue to pollute the earth and will happily pay a few bucks. It's a useless system.

We need legislation to stop shit like this:

Remember the Mount Polley mine disaster? It’s worse than you thought. The company responsible is now pumping untreated mine waste straight into Quesnel Lake. Not only has Imperial Metals never faced fines or charges, they’re still polluting this prime sockeye salmon lake.

Right before Premier Christy Clark left office, her government gave Imperial Metals a permit to lay two 24” pipes straight into the lake. Combined, they can discharge more than fifty million litres a day. That waste includes arsenic, ammonia and toxic heavy metals.

Local residents are fighting this threat to their drinking water. But Imperial Metals is using high-powered lawyers and procedural tricks to slow down their permit appeal. It’s time for the government to step in.

 

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