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Looks like Canada is falling out with the communist regime. Question is when is Truedua going to ask big bro trump for help?  

Lets not kid ourselves, there are huge perks to being an American. One of them usually involve other countries not executing you.

"It is of extreme concern to us as a government, as it should be to all our international friends and allies, that China has chosen to begin to arbitrarily apply the death penalty in cases facing, as in this case, facing a Canadian," Trudeau said in a news conference following Monday's ruling.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/14/asia/china-canadian-drugs-death-sentence-intl/index.html?no-st=1547488119

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This must be all very confusing for small potatoes. He though he had a strong friend in Red China.

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I'm not impressed with China and I'm not seeing enough evidence that the US will stand up to China.  If China respects rule of law it would release the Canadians.  If the US really stands up for democracy and allies, the President and Secretary of State would speak out in full support.  Events unfolding internationally prove that democracy, freedom, rule of law, and human rights are under threat.  Everyone pays the price because it says  that governments can mistreat people.

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38 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

If China respects rule of law it would release the Canadians.

HA! they bully their neighbors, what makes you think they will respect the rule of law?

38 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

If the US really stands up for democracy and allies..

Umm, America is democracy. Fact is, if America does not exist, there'd be no democracy. 

39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

President and Secretary of State would speak out in full support

To what end? its not like Canada was willing to make concession over spilled milk (hint hint).

40 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Events unfolding internationally prove that democracy, freedom, rule of law, and human rights are under threat.  Everyone pays the price

Half true. Only weaker countries that have been relying on American hegemony whilst criticizing us as world police will suffer. 

Now you get to see the true value of what it meant to be in America's umbrella and a taste of what China's will be. 

It is because of American hegemony weaker countries even get to exist. Think about that. Otherwise they would have just become vassal states to China as has happened to bordering countries surrounding China and Russia. 

China's goal is to make everyone part of their tributary state as has been during the Ming dynasty. 

 

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3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I'm not impressed with China and I'm not seeing enough evidence that the US will stand up to China.  If China respects rule of law it would release the Canadians.  If the US really stands up for democracy and allies, the President and Secretary of State would speak out in full support.  Events unfolding internationally prove that democracy, freedom, rule of law, and human rights are under threat.  Everyone pays the price because it says  that governments can mistreat people.

Why should the US stand up for a Canadian in China? When was the last time Canada went to bat for an American convicted of criminal activity in another country. Here's a news flash, China executes drug runners, this aint something new, they've been doing it for years. So this stupid bastard thought it would be a peachy keen idea to go to China and indulge in a little drug smuggling (222Kg of Meth) and got caught. Now he's being painted as some sort of martyr. Sorry, I don't buy it. Not only is he obviously dumb as a stump, he also broke serious laws, laws to which the death penalty can be applied.

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There is no reason for America to stand up to China at this juncture, because America rules the waves, and so they just sail around China.  

If the Chinese ever actually follow through with their threats to impede freedom of navigation, then the Americans will have to slap them down.

So far China talks a big game, but when the Americans roll through they just throw a tantrum on the radio while the Americans simply ignore them.

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Canada has an opportunity to "save face" and this extremely stupid drug dealer's life by giving up Weng before this gets more serious.   Far better to risk some nasty tweets from Trump.    Team Trudeau needs to stop being so naive.

Let Weng slip out of the country after cutting a backroom deal with China.    Done.

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada has an opportunity to "save face" and this extremely stupid drug dealer's life by giving up Weng before this gets more serious.   Far better to risk some nasty tweets from Trump.    Team Trudeau needs to stop being so naive.

Let Weng slip out of the country after cutting a backroom deal with China.    Done.

The Americans cut them out of that option by going over their heads straight to the judiciary and so now CSIS cannot get involved with covert operations because CSIS is for obvious reasons prohibited from conducting operations against their own Crown on behalf of China, because that is actually treason.  Not the internet version, the real one.

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Americans cut them out of that option by going over their heads straight to the judiciary and so now CSIS cannot get involved with covert operations because CSIS is for obvious reasons prohibited from conducting operations against their own Crown on behalf of China, because that is actually treason.  Not the internet version, the real one.

 

I don't care how they do it...hell...let Weng escape house arrest after a pizza delivery driver swap...use some imagination !

Somebody needs to teach Trudeau when the juice is not worth the squeeze.

 

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6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I don't care how they do it...hell...let Weng escape house arrest after a pizza delivery driver swap...use some imagination !

Somebody needs to teach Trudeau when the juice is not worth the squeeze.

 

Well it doesn't surprise me when the nanny socialist welfare gulag operates lawlessly to serve their overlords in Beijing, but this is all inclusive to why I left said fake country to live as an UKUSSAN under the protection and in defence of the Constitution of the Republic of the United States of America and associated Shot Heard Round the World Creator endowed rights.

As we live in the 21st century information age there is simply no cause to bother the American people for a passport because I live in UKUSSA by way of the House of Windsor.

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5 hours ago, AngusThermopyle said:

Why should the US stand up for a Canadian in China? When was the last time Canada went to bat for an American convicted of criminal activity in another country. Here's a news flash, China executes drug runners, this aint something new, they've been doing it for years. So this stupid bastard thought it would be a peachy keen idea to go to China and indulge in a little drug smuggling (222Kg of Meth) and got caught. Now he's being painted as some sort of martyr. Sorry, I don't buy it. Not only is he obviously dumb as a stump, he also broke serious laws, laws to which the death penalty can be applied.

Remember the 50 US hostages that Canada smuggled out of Iran using fake Canadian passports?  

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8 hours ago, paxamericana said:

HA! they bully their neighbors, what makes you think they will respect the rule of law?

Umm, America is democracy. Fact is, if America does not exist, there'd be no democracy. 

To what end? its not like Canada was willing to make concession over spilled milk (hint hint).

Half true. Only weaker countries that have been relying on American hegemony whilst criticizing us as world police will suffer. 

Now you get to see the true value of what it meant to be in America's umbrella and a taste of what China's will be. 

It is because of American hegemony weaker countries even get to exist. Think about that. Otherwise they would have just become vassal states to China as has happened to bordering countries surrounding China and Russia. 

China's goal is to make everyone part of their tributary state as has been during the Ming dynasty. 

 

Not true.  The Saudis are targeting journalists in America.  Russia is poisoning its own people who oppose the oligarchy.  China is holding foreigners on spurious grounds, retrying people and applying Draconian punishments for political reasons.  These things happen when supposedly powerful bastions of human rights give a green light to oppression.  Trump sent such signals to Putin and the Saudi prince.  He has also said that economic bargains trump rule of law, as in the case of Weng.  Amorality is the green light to bad behaviour.  

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4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Not true.  The Saudis are targeting journalists in America.  Russia is poisoning its own people.  China is holding people on spurious grounds and retrying people and applying Draconian punishments for political reasons.  These things happen when supposedly powerful bastions of human rights give a green light to oppression.  Trump sent such signals to Putin and the Saudi prince.  He has also said that economic bargains trump rule of law as in the case of Meng.  Amorality is the green light to bad behaviour.  

 

Such things happened long before Trump....welcome to an amoral world.     Trump actually bombed Russians in Syria...Obama wouldn't.

What did Canada/Trudeau do about the Saudis ?    Weak ass tweets but continued the $15 billion LAV export contract.

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Such things happened long before Trump....welcome to an amoral world.     Trump actually bombed Russians in Syria...Obama wouldn't.

I’ll give you that, but Trump’s public announcement of troop withdrawal from Syria is an egregious mistake.  To claim victory over ISIS is making the Defence Department shit themselves and turn in resignations. No responsible US general wants to be associated with such recklessness. 

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Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I’ll give you that, but Trump’s public announcement of troop withdrawal from Syria is an egregious mistake.  To claim victory over ISIS is making the Defence Department shit themselves and turn in resignations. No responsible US general wants to be associated with such recklessness. 

 

Too bad for them...Syria is not America's domain or influence, just any threats to actual allies in the region.    Canada/Trudeau recalled its squadron of CF-18s from strike missions in Iraq/Syria long ago.    Trump told Mattis to get out of Syria as soon as possible....Canada sure did.

I don't know why Trump is being held to a higher moral/leadership standard than other "western" leaders for this and other issues.

 

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9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Too bad for them...Syria is not America's domain or influence, just any threats to actual allies in the region.    Canada/Trudeau recalled its squadron of CF-18s from strike missions in Iraq/Syria long ago.    Trump told Mattis to get out of Syria as soon as possible....Canada sure did.

I don't know why Trump is being held to a higher moral/leadership standard than other "western" leaders for this and other issues.

 

No it’s that internationally it looks like the US is letting the Russians be the stabilization force in the region, propping up a dictator.  The US under Obama and Canada denounced Assad.  More importantly, ISIS is bad news for America and the region, let alone US allies.  If US forces wanted to exit, it should’ve been a subtle exit.  It reminds me of Bush landing on an aircraft carrier and announcing US victory and the end of US operations in Iraq.  It was far from the end.  Trump’s move was amateurish.  

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Just now, Zeitgeist said:

No it’s that internationally it looks like the US is letting the Russians be the stabilization force in the region, propping up a dictator. 

 

Correct...Syria has been part of the Soviet/Russian sphere for a long time, if only because Russia needs a warm water naval base for the Med.    There is nothing new about this or difference just because Trump is the U.S. president.

 

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The US under Obama and Canada denounced Assad.  More importantly, ISIS is bad news for America and the region, let alone US allies.  If US forces wanted to exit, it should’ve been a subtle exit.  It reminds me of Bush landing on an aircraft carrier and announcing US victory and the end of US operations.  It was far from the end.  Trump’s move was amateurish.  

 

So Trump should have quietly slinked away like Trudeau did instead ?   Obama refused to even engage Assad/Putin on Syria, disgracing himself with his fiasco "red line".

Why is this TRump's burden over all other "leaders" ?   Where are they ?

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25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Correct...Syria has been part of the Soviet/Russian sphere for a long time, if only because Russia needs a warm water naval base for the Med.    There is nothing new about this or difference just because Trump is the U.S. president.

 

 

So Trump should have quietly slinked away like Trudeau did instead ?   Obama refused to even engage Assad/Putin on Syria, disgracing himself with his fiasco "red line".

Why is this TRump's burden over all other "leaders" ?   Where are they ?

I felt a temporary sense of affection for Trump when he responded to the gas attack.  That was good.  Under Obama the rebels were quietly supported.  Trump made a mistake claiming victory over ISIS for reasons I shouldn’t have to explain.  The withdrawal should be gradual and quiet. 

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3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I felt a temporary sense of affection for Trump when he responded to the gas attack.  That was good.  Under Obama the rebels were quietly supported.  Trump made a mistake claiming victory over ISIS for reasons I shouldn’t have to explain.  

 

Trump's claims don't matter...he can't be discredited all the time yet be held up as virtuous for continuing to bomb the crap out of Syrians.  

ISIS has been seriously degraded and displaced from land in Syria and Iraq.   Syria is not another ME country that the U.S. wants to occupy short or long term.

If it is so important...where is Canada ?

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This behaviour by China will only alienate them further from the free world, as it's likely that any Canadians or Americans now working there are having serious thoughts about making an exit. Others might not want to go there out of fear they too could be detained, since the Chinese government demonstrates how they will lash out in revenge at anyone if there is an international incident. This incident exposes China's true face to the world, but if anything good comes out of it, it's that people will stop being naive about China and might stop doing business with them.

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

This incident exposes China's true face to the world, but if anything good comes out of it, it's that people will stop being naive about China and might stop doing business with them.

You may be naive on that one bit too.

China literally runs concentration camps in 2019 and no one blinks an eye.

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

This behaviour by China will only alienate them further from the free world, as it's likely that any Canadians or Americans now working there are having serious thoughts about making an exit. Others might not want to go there out of fear they too could be detained, since the Chinese government demonstrates how they will lash out in revenge at anyone if there is an international incident. This incident exposes China's true face to the world, but if anything good comes out of it, it's that people will stop being naive about China and might stop doing business with them.

 

Such people should have never been so naive or become so complacent to begin with.    China will continue to pursue its globalist objectives for resources and export markets, and I don't think this or other incidents will change the underlying economic dynamic.   

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9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump's claims don't matter...he can't be discredited all the time yet be held up as virtuous for continuing to bomb the crap out of Syrians.  

ISIS has been seriously degraded and displaced from land in Syria and Iraq.   Syria is not another ME country that the U.S. wants to occupy short or long term.

If it is so important...where is Canada ?

accepting tens of thousands of displaced Syrian refugees.  Canada has made a big contribution here.  

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Just now, Zeitgeist said:

accepting tens of thousands of displaced Syrian refugees.  Canada has made a big contribution here.  

 

That's nice...Jordan has about 1,500,000.

I hope you can understand my skepticism about a nation that withdraws military assets from the region while questioning Trump's decision to do the same.

 

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15 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

You may be naive on that one bit too.

China literally runs concentration camps in 2019 and no one blinks an eye.

Naive? I was aware of this before you were even born.

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