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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

You're just projecting your Anglo-American views unto the Aryan Germans...

Please refrain from this kind of nonsensical commentary.

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It's not uncommon in totalitarian Canada neither, if you rock the boat and stir up trouble for the failed Confederation, you will be accused of thought crime, the very essence of totalitarianism.

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Just now, turningrite said:

Please refrain from this kind of nonsensical commentary.

You seem to be under the delusion that I publish to the internet for your approval, validation and/or by your leave.

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13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not uncommon in totalitarian Canada neither, if you rock the boat and stir up trouble for the failed Confederation, you will be accused of thought crime, the very essence of totalitarianism.

Attempts to suppress free speech in Canada are certainly problematic but at this point the situation clearly doesn't equate to proof of a failed totalitarian state. In my opinion, this movement is being led by the elites who control the political agenda, who apparently intend to bolster their interests by minimizing irritants like the growing opposition to large-scale immigration. Your observation, then, appears to support my characterization of Canada's system of government as being an elite controlled limited democracy. Even though our elitist-in-chief, Trudeau, does his best to minimize the impact of what he calls "fringe" ideas, we still have a free vote and candidates with other opinions can run for office largely without official intimidation. They'll be thoroughly dismissed by the mainstream political cartel and its media allies, of course, but, so far, we can still for the most part express and vote for those expressing dissenting views.

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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

You seem to be under the delusion that I publish to the internet for your approval, validation and/or by your leave.

No, I just expect sensible discussion and debate.

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Just now, turningrite said:

No, I just expect sensible discussion and debate.

I am being entirely sensible and reasonable, you are simply posting fallacies and I am pointing them out. 

You publish it to the world via the world wide web, what you publish is subject to public opinion.  Don't like it, don't publish. /shrugs

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18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am being entirely sensible and reasonable...

 

Really? Like by talking about Aryan conspiracies and comparing the SS to Homeland Security? Canada's elite controlled limited democracy is neither totalitarian nor characteristic of a failed state. It isn't an exemplary democracy, of course, but instead is a highly manipulated one that mainly functions to serve the interests of a relatively narrow set of interests. Perhaps you might try reading the book 'Manufacturing Consent' by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky to understand what I'm talking about.

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3 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Really? Like by talking about Aryan conspiracies and comparing the SS to Homeland Security? Canada's elite controlled limited democracy is neither totalitarian nor characteristic of a failed state. It isn't an exemplary democracy, of course, but instead is a highly manipulated one that mainly functions to serve the interests of a relatively narrow set of interests. Perhaps you might try reading the book 'Manufacturing Consent' by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky to understand what I'm talking about.

Its entirely consistent with logic, the Nazi Germans of Nazi Germany did not view themselves as being the enemy, the enemy was the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy, and Stutzstaffel is literally the German word for Homeland Security, for all intents and purposes, State Protective Echelon.

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Obviously if you are quoting Noam Chomsky as an appeal to authority fallacy, a classically liberal conservative like me simply interprets that as meaning you subscribe to the far left, bordering on communism, thus having read Chomsky and sussed him out as a commie sympathizer, I don't feel any need to revisit it, tho I would kill and die to defend your right to publish about it.

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15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Obviously if you are quoting Noam Chomsky as an appeal to authority fallacy, a classically liberal conservative like me simply interprets that as meaning you subscribe to the far left, bordering on communism, thus having read Chomsky and sussed him out as a commie sympathizer, I don't feel any need to revisit it, tho I would kill and die to defend your right to publish about it.

Argumentum ad hominem...zzzzzzz

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19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Its entirely consistent with logic, the Nazi Germans of Nazi Germany did not view themselves as being the enemy, the enemy was the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy, and Stutzstaffel is literally the German word for Homeland Security, for all intents and purposes, State Protective Echelon.

You're proving my point.

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3 minutes ago, turningrite said:

You're proving my point.

IIRC, your point was that Nazi Germany was a military dictatorship and that was why it is considered to be a totalitarian state. 

My point is simply that that is not the case.   Nazi Germany was a cult in effect, the cult took the military down, not the other way round, the cult was in charge, not the military, ergo; no military dictatorship otherwise known as a Junta.   Hitler did not even allow the military into his inner circle never mind let them make policy or decisions.

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8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

IIRC, your point was that Nazi Germany was a military dictatorship and that was why it is considered to be a totalitarian state. 

 

That wasn't my point at all. I was talking about Canada and why it is not a totalitarian state even though it's not an exemplary democracy. You, on the other hand, seem to obsessed by Hitler and Nazis.

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6 minutes ago, turningrite said:

That wasn't my point at all. I was talking about Canada and why it is not a totalitarian state even though it's not an exemplary democracy. You, on the other hand, seem to obsessed by Hitler and Nazis.

My point about Canada was expressly that Canada is not a totalitarian state per se, since Canada isn't even the state, by any measure, the state is quite clearly the British Crown by the personage of Elizabeth Windsor.

This does not however preclude the totalitarian cabal of far leftists who exert undue control of Canadian Confederation, from indoctrinating the masses to be totalitarian about the catastrophically  failed nanny state, in order to incite the masses to rally around it, against the foreign devils at the gates, which in leftist Canada is the Americans, same as the Nazis did, exact same mechanism, get them while they are young and indoctrinate them to vote for you, then simply decline to allow anyone else to govern, which again, is not military dictatorship, tho it is totalitarian.

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17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

My point about Canada was expressly that Canada is not a totalitarian state per se, since Canada isn't even the state, by any measure, the state is quite clearly the British Crown by the personage of Elizabeth Windsor.

This does not however preclude the totalitarian cabal of far leftists who exert undue control of Canadian Confederation, from indoctrinating the masses to be totalitarian about the catastrophically  failed nanny state, in order to incite the masses to rally around it, against the foreign devils at the gates, which in leftist Canada is the Americans, same as the Nazis did, exact same mechanism, get them while they are young and indoctrinate them to vote for you, then simply decline to allow anyone else to govern, which again, is not military dictatorship, tho it is totalitarian.

Name one better run country than Canada and explain how it's better run.  Make sure it's an apples to apples comparison, not a city state like Hong Kong or Singapore.

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4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Name one better run country than Canada and explain how it's better run.  Make sure it's an apples to apples comparison, not a city state like Hong Kong or Singapore.

Canada is not even a country, Canada is simply a Domestic Self Governing Federation of the British Empire, a trade and military alliance between dominions.

The only country is the House of Windsor and Her Majesty's Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy, which is functioning just fine, it simply cannot solve the problem of failed stat Confederation, which has failed by its own stated terms, in every single case, as per its stated purpose.

Elizabeth Windsor continues to protect and defend you at the level of Westphalian Nation State, and Elizabeth Windsor in defended by an Anglo-American alliance called UKUSSA

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5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Name one better run country than Canada and explain how it's better run.  Make sure it's an apples to apples comparison, not a city state like Hong Kong or Singapore.

Australia, Switzerland, New Zealand, Norway, Finland...

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1 minute ago, turningrite said:

Australia, Switzerland, New Zealand, Norway, Finland...

And the reason is all those countries have a national interest, whereas Canada doesn't, Canada being the failed state of the litter, simply propped up by corporate welfare from the Hegemon

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10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

And the reason is all those countries have a national interest, whereas Canada doesn't, Canada being the failed state of the litter, simply propped up by corporate welfare from the Hegemon

I suspect that nobody takes you seriously when you post comments like this. All countries have national interests. And, again, while Canada is an imperfect elite directed democracy it's not a failed state.

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Just now, turningrite said:

I suspect that nobody takes you seriously when you post comments like this. All countries have national interests. And, again, while Canada is an imperfect elite directed democracy it's not a failed state.

Oh I don't think the world outside of Ontario is under any delusions that Quebec is actually in Confederation anymore, other than excepting some bribes to not make it official at the UN.

Canada is a de facto failed state, but also de jure,  by the stated terms of Confederation, which in every case, is the opposite end state of what Confederation was supposed to deliver.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Oh I don't think the world outside of Ontario is under any delusions that Quebec is actually in Confederation anymore, other than excepting some bribes to not make it official at the UN.

Canada is a de facto failed state, but also de jure,  by the stated terms of Confederation, which in every case, is the opposite end state of what Confederation was supposed to deliver.

Is there any point to be made by responding to this? Canada is imperfect but hardly irreparably broken. I worry for its future under its current leaders, whom I consider ineffective and self-serving. But we still have a free vote and the ability to change governments. If you're not happy, vote for representatives who seek to challenge the tri-party mainstream cartel that holds sway in Ottawa. That's my plan.

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2 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Is there any point to be made by responding to this? Canada is imperfect but hardly irreparably broken. I worry for its future under its current leaders, whom I consider ineffective and self-serving. But we still have a free vote and the ability to change governments. If you're not happy, vote for representatives who seek to challenge the tri-party mainstream cartel that holds sway in Ottawa. That's my plan.

Things do not have to be irreparably broken before you jettison them, some people have higher aspirations in life than wallowing in a broken down nanny state gulag made of nothing more than bribery and corruption to carry on the fantasy that Quebec is not an independent state and the rest of the Confederation is not superfluous without it.

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And I am voting for representatives which are going to break the three party gulag, they're called the Pequistes, and they are just biding their time until the Ottawa gravy starts to run low.

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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

And I am voting for representatives which are going to break the three party gulag, they're called the Pequistes, and they are just biding their time until the Ottawa gravy starts to run low.

I don't live in Quebec so that's not an option for me. It's more likely I'll back Bernier's party.

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Just now, turningrite said:

I don't live in Quebec so that's not an option for me. It's more likely I'll back Bernier's party.

You can vote by many means other than ballot, first, vote with your feet, second, vote with your equity, third, vote with your chequebook, but mostly just free your mind, and your ass will follow. 

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