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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

I don't think they could have gotten more, what 2C could they gotten with more value than Kadri?

I would have gone after RNH in Edmonton, he's a better fit for the West, and he's just a rental, you're not actually going to want Kadri's contract two years from now.

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would have gone after RNH in Edmonton, he's a better fit for the West, and he's just a rental, you're not actually going to want Kadri's contract two years from now.

RNH would have worked too, but his contract isn't as movable as Kadri's. That's kind of a wash given the extra cap hit and lesser term, perhaps a slight upgrade and maybe the Oilers wanted more for him than the Leafs did for Kadri.

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

RNH would have worked too, but his contract isn't as movable as Kadri's. That's kind of a wash, and maybe the Oilers wanted more for him than the Leafs did.

How could they want more than Barrie with 50% salary retained?  They are desperate for a puck moving RHD and RNH is just as surplus to them as Kadri was to the Leafs, it would be rental for rental, better fit for the Avs, no baggage.

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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

How could they want more than Barrie with 50% salary retained?  They are desperate for a puck moving RHD and RNH is just as surplus to them as Kadri was to the Leafs, it would be rental for rental, better fit for the Avs, no baggage.

I don't know, but the RNH trade never materialized for a reason, it's not like the Avs weren't considering it. I don't think they sat there and thought Kadri is better than RNH, I'm guessing the hold up was on the Oilers end. Wasn't RNH on a line with McDavid and Draisaitl for most of last year anyway? Those are inflating his numbers too, maybe the Oilers think they can get more for him because of that sexier stat line playing with two 100 point players.

Ken Holland has gotten a lot worse at this GM thing, maybe we are underestimating his new found incompetence and he's degenerating more and more with each passing year.

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

I don't know, but the RNH trade never materialized for a reason, it's not like the Avs weren't considering it. I don't think they sat there and thought Kadri is better than RNH, I'm guessing the hold up was on the Oilers end.

Fair enough I guess, but that just makes me think Joe made a mistake, some other center would have come available during the year without having to give up Barrie AND Kerfoot, the Avs didn't need Kadri to make the playoffs, and even if you wanted to move Kerfoot, you shouldn't have had to move both of them, just for Kadri, with salary retained on top, could have made two trades for two NHL players rather than Kadri and a Marlie.

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10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Fair enough I guess, but that just makes me think Joe made a mistake, some other center would have come available during the year without having to give up Barrie AND Kerfoot, the Avs didn't need Kadri to make the playoffs, and even if you wanted to move Kerfoot, you shouldn't have had to move both of them, just for Kadri, with salary retained on top, could have made two trades for two NHL players rather than Kadri and a Marlie.

Could they have though? Barrie and Kerfoot were expendable, and the only other option near Kadri's level that I am seeing might not have been acquirable due to Ken Holland's degenerating skills as a GM. The longer the Avs waited, the less trading for a Barrie rental would have gotten them, especially if he gets hurt, which he's been known to do. Trading Kerfoot later probably would have gotten them less as well, people think he has more upside than he does, another year of similar production would have made him less valuable and had less GM's dreaming on his upside, plus as a small dude who isnt afraid to go to the dirty places, he could get hurt too quite easily, he's just tough and can play through it, but that could harm his production and hurt his value too.

Both guys seem about as valuable of a trade asset as they are going to get, when Sakic moved them, their value will only go down as more time passes. I think Sakic made the right call, at the right time. Sakic isn't the type of guy to panic and move guys if the return isn't right either, I'm guessing this was the best deal available and a better deal wasn't going to be forthcoming, or at least Sakic believes that to be the case.

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11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Could they have though? Barrie and Kerfoot were expendable, and the only other option near Kadri's level that I am seeing might not have been acquirable due to Ken Holland's degenerating skills as a GM. The longer the Avs waited, the less trading for a Barrie rental would have gotten them, especially if he gets hurt, which he's been known to do. Trading Kerfoot later probably would have gotten them less as well, people think he has more upside than he does, another year of similar production would have made him less valuable and had less GM's dreaming on his upside, plus as a small dude who isnt afraid to go to the dirty places, he could get hurt too quite easily, he's just tough and can play through it, but that could harm his production and hurt his value too.

Both guys seem about as valuable of a trade asset as they are going to get, when Sakic moved them, their value will only go down as more time passes. I think Sakic made the right call, at the right time. Sakic isn't the type of guy to panic and move guys if the return isn't right either, I'm guessing this was the best deal available and a better deal wasn't going to be forthcoming, or at least Sakic believes that to be the case.

I would have kept Barrie if there was nothing better than Kadri available, Barrie scores more points than Kadri at the very least.

Kerfoot we literally got for free, I was  harboring fantasies that we could find some sucker to take Calle Rosen and give us an RHD back, but even in my wildest get something for Rosen fantasies, that RHD was not Barrie, and there certainly wouldn't be any salary retained just to fit him in for us, and then Kerfoot on top?  Free Kerfoot, go ahead, take Kerfoot too?  Praise Dubeezus!

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8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would have kept Barrie if there was nothing better than Kadri available, Barrie scores more points than Kadri at the very least.

Kerfoot we literally got for free, I was  harboring fantasies that we could find some sucker to take Calle Rosen and give us an RHD back, but even in my wildest get something for Rosen fantasies, that RHD was not Barrie, and there certainly wouldn't be any salary retained just to fit him in for us, and then Kerfoot on top?  Free Kerfoot, go ahead, take Kerfoot too?  Praise Dubeezus!

Barrie and Kerfoot were expendable, bringing in a 2C as good as Kadri is worth it, the retained salary literally means nothing to Avs, we don't need the extra $2.75 million cap space next year. The Avs either are just as good this year, or slightly worse off than before the trade, but for two years after that or more, they'll be much better off, having dealt Barrie for Kadri, and freeing up space for higher upside forwards on the rise than Kerfoot.

Praise Dubeezus and Sakic, hockey trade city. Dubas got the better end of the deal, I think, but both sides are better off.

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4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Barrie and Kerfoot were expendable, bringing in a 2C as good as Kadri is worth it, the retained salary literally means nothing to Avs, we don't need the extra $2.75 million cap space next year. The Avs either as just as good this year, or slightly worse off, but for two years after that, they'll be much better off, having dealt Barrie for Kadri, and freeing up space for higher upside forwards than Kerfoot.

Well I think Gentleman Joe did Dubas a huge favor, although I think you're right that Dubas is a guy who is worth having a relationship like that with, I can see the Avs and the Leafs doing more business in the future, just because Sakic clearly has an affinity for Dubas and vice versa.

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The reality of the GM's Old Boy's Network is that most of them are actually dicks who are trying to throw anchors at each other, within that realm, you need to have bilateral relations with certain teams, teams you can always work with, Sakic - Dubas is a good match,  Gentleman Kyle is a class act too.

That's the other great thing about Dubas, he's just an impressive individual, he's literally the first Leafs GM I've ever had any faith in, but he's also a GM we can be proud of.

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38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Well I think Gentleman Joe did Dubas a huge favor, although I think you're right that Dubas is a guy who is worth having a relationship like that with, I can see the Avs and the Leafs doing more business in the future, just because Sakic clearly has an affinity for Dubas and vice versa.

Definitely did him a huge favor retaining half the salary, but we have cap room to spend, and since we got the deal we wanted, might as well retain some of the salary seeing as they don't need the cap room next year. A favor that doesn't hurt the team to help solidify a relationship that could bear fruit down the road and the Avs get what they wanted on top of it, can't ask for much more than that, happy to do you the favor.

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3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Definitely did him a huge favor retaining half the salary, but we have cap room to spend, and since we got the deal we wanted, might as well retain some of the salary seeing as they don't need the cap room next year. A favor that doesn't hurt the team to help solidify a relationship that could bear fruit down the road and the Avs get what they wanted on top of it, can't ask for much more than that, happy to do you the favor.

Always happy to do business with Gentleman Joe, Made Guy if there ever was one.

 

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Don't get me wrong, I want the trade to be good for both teams, and Barrie has his flaws too,  but at this juncture I've had enough of Naz's antics on the ice, although off the ice he's still a Homey from the 6ix, he is a good guy, he just can't keep his shit wired tight under pressure. 

There's just no excuse for getting suspended the second time, other actually tough guys manage to get through the playoffs without getting suspended, DeBrusk is the perfect example, DeBrusk doesn't need to resort to antics, he just finishes his checks and too bad if you can't handle it, Naz, wise up.

Naz is not a tough guy, he's not scary, he doesn't intimidate anybody, and he's a mark who retaliates far more than he instigates, he needs to just focus on scoring goals and quit trying to be Wendel Clark, cause not only is he not Wendel Clark, Wendel Clark couldn't play in this league anymore, he would get suspended many times over now.

Wendel is my favorite player of all time, but the league is what it is, and it is the No Hit League, you can't win the Cup if you don't get with the program, the NHL owns the Cup, they decide how it can be won or not won, and it cannot be one by blindside crosschecking guys in the face anymore.

Moreover,  that was gutless even back in the day, back in the day that would have been a bench clearing brawl and Chara would have beat Kadri to a pulp, if it was old school rules, Kadri and the rest of the Leafs would have been pummeled, Chara would have grabbed Matthews and beat him to a pulp too.

Kadri actually took a liberty which can only be gotten away with in the No Hit League, which makes Kadri the biggest No Hit League faggot of them all.

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Would be nice if he makes like Marchand and starts toning that sh*t down, at least a little bit, but I won't hold my breath.

Marchand is good at it tho, Marchand knows how to do it, Marchand is a master of getting away with shit, whereas Kadri could be the biggest heat score in the league now.

 

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Marchand is good at it tho, Marchand knows how to do it, Marchand is a master of getting away with shit, whereas Kadri could be the biggest heat score in the league now.

 

Either get better at it, or do it less, one or the other, or like Marchand, do both.

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Either get better at it, or do it less, one or the other, or like Marchand, do both.

Marchand is also way tougher than Kadri, Marchand could beat the piss out of Kadri, moreover, if Marchand wanted to hurt Kadri, he could, he's a master of accidentally on purpose putting people in the hospital.   Marchand could have survived back in the day, Marchand is the second coming of Ken The Rat Linsemen.

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Thing about Marchand, he is the opposite of Kadri, Marchand is calculating, he's devious, he's always aware of the refs, he's always aware of who is wathcing, Marchand lies in wait and takes his prey covertly, whereas Kadri just runs around out of control until he blows himself up.

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Tell you what tho, I am excited to have Barrie on the team, I know what he is, I am aware of his flaws, none the less, he is an entertaining player, and I remember him with Muzzin in 2015 and they were great, and this is the style Dubas wants, Dubas has his Ryan Ellis to play with his Eckholm, I am jacked just for the fun of it.

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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Tell you what tho, I am excited to have Barrie on the team, I know what he is, I am aware of his flaws, none the less, he is an entertaining player, and I remember him with Muzzin in 2015 and they were great, and this is the style Dubas wants, Dubas has his Ryan Ellis to play with his Eckholm, I am jacked just for the fun of it.

Barrie has his flaws, but until he get overpaid in UFA, those are totally worth putting up with, especially at $2.75 million cap hit, he costs the Leafs less than Ben Chiarot money ffs. After he hits UFA, not so much, Barrie at like an $8 million AAV is way too pricey.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Barrie has his flaws, but until he get overpaid in UFA, those are totally worth putting up with, especially at $2.75 million cap hit, that's less than Ben Chiarot ffs. Afterward though, not so much.

Yeah, it's just a rental, win now mode, Barrie is not worth 7 million anymore than Gardiner is, but again, I love the aggression by Dubas to just go for it, Barrie is not really Kawhi, but Kadri is kind of DeMar, very Masai of Dubas, but I do think Dubas looks up to Masai, and I mean, who wouldn't? Never thought I would be so bullish on MLSE, but Larry Tanenbaum has taken this shit next level yo, NBA champs, I still can't believe it.

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And not just NBA champs, NBA champs with style, Kawhi Leonard, not just an all time Superstar, the coolest of all time methinks.

If he goes to LA, I won't shed a tear, more power to him, he's a Made Guy, although why he would want to play with LeBron is beyond me, LeBron is such a dick, Kawhi would be lowering himself to stoop to be LeBron's second banana.

I love LA, I totally get wanting to be in LA, but not if it means you have to carry LeBron's man purse for him.

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20 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

And not just NBA champs, NBA champs with style, Kawhi Leonard, not just an all time Superstar, the coolest of all time methinks.

If he goes to LA, I won't shed a tear, more power to him, he's a Made Guy, although why he would want to play with LeBron is beyond me, LeBron is such a dick, Kawhi would be lowering himself to stoop to be LeBron's second banana.

I love LA, I totally get wanting to be in LA, but not if it means you have to carry LeBron's man purse for him.

That's what the Clippers are for. Unless he wants to stay in Toronto because he believes in Masai, which would be sweet. His personality is reminiscent of a humble hockey player, who is soft spoken, keeps his head down, works hard, and leads by example, which is a super rare thing in Basketball. What's not to love?

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