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Basically, Eugene Melnyk is right, they didn't draft a defence, so there's no reason to panic and cave into Marner, since actually, they're not that close, this D is going to bring them down anyways, might as well go schorched earth on Paul Marner, they don't get closer to UFA by sitting out, so let them sit.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You can say the same thing about Matthews, yet you overpaid him, treating Marner like he's closer to Nylander than Matthews is dumb. Not caving to Marner is a mistake, unless he'll cave to the Leafs, and is just fronting for a better deal.

Having him sit for a year is Le'Veon Bell 2.0, don't be the Steelers.

No, Matthews is a Unicorn, we can move on without Marner if Marner insists, ball in his court, three, or six, or sign the offer sheet, or just f*ck off.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Basically, Eugene Melnyk is right, they didn't draft a defence, so there's no reason to panic and cave into Marner, since actually, they're not that close, this D is going to bring them down anyways, might as well go schorched earth on Paul Marner, they don't get closer to UFA by sitting out, so let them sit.

Caving into Marner is not panicking, it's being prudent.

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

No, Matthews is a Unicorn, we can move on without Marner if Marner insists, ball in his court, three, or six, or sign the offer sheet, or just f*ck off.

Matthews could be generational, but could merely be Franchise. Marner is just a franchise guy, but franchise guys shouldn't be treated with scorched earth because y'all overpaid Nylander. That's so dumb, just trade Nylander, enough of this Marner can fuck off instead nonsense, stop taking the Nylander stuff out on Marner with this displaced anger shit.

Also if the Leafs aren't close, then going and getting Tavares was a big mistake, because Marner is a lot less replaceable than Tavares and he's getting old. Caving to Tavares and running Marner out of town for playing hardball, also dumb.

Trade Tavares and Nylander if you aren't close, wait until you can sell them at a high point, and bring back Marner.

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4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Caving into Marner is not panicking, it's being prudent.

No it's not, Marner can sign an offer sheet for seven and the Leafs will match, or he takes the Leafs deal, 3 or 6, or he can sit the whole year if he wants, I'm a huge Marner fan, and yet I'm perfectly prepared to move on without him, more ice time for Ocho-Ocho, Marner Schmarner, lock him out.

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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

No it's not, Marner can sign an offer sheet for seven and the Leafs will match, or he takes the Leafs deal, 3 or 6, or he can sit the whole year if he wants, I'm a huge Marner fan, and yet I'm perfectly prepared to move on without him, more ice time for Ocho-Ocho, Marner Schmarner, lock him out.

Marner > Tavares
Marner > Nylander

Siding with Tavares or Nylander over Marner is legit crazy town.

Displaced anger is a helluva drug. Just because y'all overpaid Nylander and Tavares is the dumbest reason to run Marner out of town, Leafs fans and media so toxic, y'all are out to ruin the team.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Marner > Tavares
Marner > Nylander

Siding with Tavares or Nylander over Marner is legit crazy town.

Displaced anger is a helluva drug.

He's not going anywhere, he's not getting an offer sheet that the Leafs won't match, so he's holding out with no leverage, let him sit until he wants to come back, him sitting is his choice, don't walk him to UFA in four or five, even if it means taking a step back this year, because the team is overrated anyways, they need better D and it has to come from within, which is Sandin, which is a couple years away at this point anyways.

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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

He's not going anywhere, he's not getting an offer sheet that the Leafs won't match, so he's holding out with no leverage, let him sit until he wants to come back, him sitting is his choice, don't walk him to UFA in four or five, even if it means taking a step back this year, because the team is overrated anyways, they need better D and it has to come from within, which is Sandin, which is a couple years away at this point anyways.

Trade Tavares and Nylander, cave to Marner, better strategy than letting him sit.

If you ain't close, and the window won't truly open until the better D from within are coming, then cash in on Tavares coming off a career year, and wait until Nylander gets on a nice streak and move his ass too.

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Who wants to overpay Tavares and Nylander and run Marner out of town? Crazy people, that's who.

Don't be that stupid Dubas, don't listen to these morons.

You know how it works, Dubas, if you cave into Marner you have to blow this team up anyways, because you need another 4 million to get to Marner's number, which means one or two key players have to go to make room, which means you're taking a step back anyways, which means; don't cave to Marner, fight to win, which is jam Marner into a bridge and then load up with more at the deadline.

If Marner won't play ball, go without him and treat it as a write off year.

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7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

You know how it works, Dubas, if you cave into Marner you have to blow this team up anyways, because you need another 4 million to get to Marner's number, which means one or two key players have to go to make room, which means you're taking a step back anyways, which means; don't cave to Marner, fight to win, which is jam Marner into a bridge and then load up with more at the deadline.

Blow up the team if you have to. Make room for Marner, it's more important than spending the money on anyone other than Matthews. Everyone else other than Matthews is more expendable than Marner, even Andersen, because goalies good enough to get hot and win the cup are far less rare than super wingers like Marner.

I'd hold onto Andersen though, just move Tavares and Nylander, that frees up plenty of cap space right there.

All that said, if Marner is going to cave, then obviously don't cave to him and exploit that, but if he won't cave, then the Leafs damn well better cave, because the Leafs need Marner more than Marner needs the Leafs.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Blow up the team if you have to. Make room for Marner, it's more important than spending the money on anyone other than Matthews. Everyone else other than Matthews and Andersen are more expendable than Marner.

Marner Schmarner, let him sit, he doesn't get any closer to UFA, you don't have to trade him, you don't need him to make the playoffs, you don't need him to win the Cup, it's too random to try to stick the landing with any precision anyways, just treat it as if Marner is out for the season injured, hang up the phone on Paul Marner and move on without them.

 

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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Marner Schmarner, let him sit, he doesn't get any closer to UFA, you don't have to trade him, you don't need him to make the playoffs, you don't need him to win the Cup, it's too random to try to stick the landing with any precision anyways, just treat it as if Marner is out for the season injured, hang up the phone on Paul Marner and move on without them.

 

Betting on older Tavares and shittier Nylander is not preferable to betting on Marner, if it's one or the other. Sitting Marner and riding Tavares makes the Tavares signing even worse. Mortgaging your future on a short window instead of moving it and maximizing the chances when the window opens for real, is foolishly short sighted.

You are letting media spin about Marner being difficult instead of trying to get paid what he's worth turn you against a far more important part of the franchise going forward, and siding with an aging star who could very well be on the downslide by the time window opens for real.

Marner > Tavares and Nylander
Siding against Mitchy, is asinine.

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4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Betting on older Tavares and shittier Nylander is not preferable to betting on Marner, if it's one or the other.

It's not either or, what's done is done, Marner insisted on going last because I guess he thought he'd have leverage, but he really doesn't, because the offer sheet is a dead end, there's nothing to do now but wait for Marner to cave.   If his daddy doesn't let him, nothing you can do about that, you just move on with the team you've got, which at forward is already loaded up without Marner, and since Marner is not a 1RHD, he doesn't alter the teams chances by that much when the 1RHD is Cody Ceci and you don't have the cap room to get anybody better.

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7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not either or, what's done is done, Marner insisted on going last because I guess he thought he'd have leverage, but he really doesn't, because the offer sheet is a dead end, there's nothing to do now but wait for Marner to cave.   If his daddy doesn't let him, nothing you can do about that, you just move on with the team you've got, which at forward is already loaded up without Marner, since Marner is not a 1RHD, he doesn't alter the teams chances by that much, when the 1RHD is Cody Ceci and you don't have the cap room to get anybody better.

If Marner won't cave, then he's not going to come back when you make him sit, as soon as UFA rolls around, he's gone. You'll have shortened the long term contention window of team, to cling to the short Tavares window with diminished chances for one year because you played hardball with Marner, which is strategically retarded.

It's pure childish short sightedness to side with Tavares and Nylander over Marner. Sitting Marner a whole year and keeping them long term, is really dumb, for real.

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Taking a step back in the Tavares window is a terrible option, which is yet another reason why it was a bad idea to go down the Tavares road in the first place. They also have to pay more for both Matthews and Marner by signing him too.

Stop taking this out on Mitchy, Tavares and Nylander are the problem. If you wanted to pay Marner less, you shouldn't have caved to them, but now that you made those mistakes, y'all want to go out and make a third one by treating Marner like they should have treated Nylander? How is making a third mistake going to make up for already making two? It's not.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Taking a step back in the Tavares window is a terrible option, which is why it was a bad idea to go down the Tavares role in the first place. They also have to pay more for both Matthews and Marner by signing him too.

Stop taking this out on Mitchy, Tavares and Nylander are the problem.

Three, or six, or sign the offer sheet, don't give him any other options, if he wants to be a nobody in Columbus or whatever, that's up to him, I'm not going to blame Dubas for Paul Marner's crimes.

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Three, or six, or sign the offer sheet, don't give him any other options, if he wants to be a nobody in Columbus or whatever, that's up to him, I'm not going to blame Dubas for Paul Marner's crimes.

I'm going to blame Dubas for siding with Tavares and Nylander over Marner, and you should too. Making Marner the scapegoat is asinine, you're being silly.

I'd be pissed if I was Marner too, they cave to Tavares and Nylander but won't cave to me? This team has fucked up priorities, this is a sinking ship given the choices they are making, best get out while I still can. Of course Marner is more likely to cave than I would, so maybe it will pay off, but if it doesn't, this will be the move the blows up the entire team, and proves it's the Same Old Leafs after all.

Nothing has changed and the Shanaplan is a fraud if they throw Marner under the bus.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I'm going to blame Dubas for siding with Tavares and Nylander over Marner, and you should too. Making Marner the scapegoat is asinine, you're being silly.

There's no reason to cave to Marner, you don't need him to win a cup, you don't need him to make the playoffs, you don't need him to sell tickets, now is the time to stick it to him, make him take the hit.

He's not going anywhere, the endorsement money in Ontario is not what he would get in the US, in the US he's a nobody, so they ain't storming off, that's a bluff, stick it to them, Dubstep, break them like Ivan Drago.

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There's no reason to cave to Marner, you don't need him to win a cup, you don't need him to make the playoffs, you don't need him to sell tickets, now is the time to stick it to him, make him take the hit.

He's not going anywhere, the endorsement money in Ontario is not what he would get in the US, in the US he's a nobody, so they ain't storming off, that's a bluff, stick it to them, Dubstep, break them like Ivan Drago.

If you can make them cave so easily, then why did they cave to less important players instead of sticking it to them? Surely it's easier to stick it to Nylander and make him cave than sticking it to Marner and making him cave, yet they almost let Willy sit for a year. 

Sticking it to Marner and not Tavares or Nylander is just horrible mismanagement, the Leafs need to learn to pick their fights better than this, and they are actually getting worse at picking them, by overreacting to picking their fights poorly in the first two instances and punishing the wrong guy for it.

Making Marner sit is the Leafs panicking.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

If you can make them cave so easily, then why did they cave to less important players instead of sticking it to them? Sticking it to Marner and not Tavares or Nylander is just horrible mismanagement, the Leafs need to learn to pick their fights better than this.

Marner decided he has to have Matthews Money now, pure vanity, so Marner is picking the fight, the Leafs have made fair offers, and Marner is so obviously bluffing, he has 7 x 12.5 in hand from Lamoriello, if Marner was going to try to leave, he'd have signed that offer sheet.  Nobody is giving him more than 7 x 12.5, nobody is offer sheeting him for less than 7, Paul Marner has painted himself into a corner, let Marner sit for as long as it takes, not one step back.

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Marner decided he has to have Matthews Money now, pure vanity, so Marner is picking the fight, the Leafs have made fair offers, and Marner is so obviously bluffing, he has 7 x 12.5 in hand from Lamoriello, if Marner was going to try to leave, he'd have signed that offer sheet.  Nobody is giving him more than 7 x 12.5, nobody is offer sheeting him for less than 7, Paul Marner has painted himself into a corner, let Marner sit for as long as it takes, not one step back.

That's only the right strategy if Marner caves before the start of the season, if doing that will cause him to sit for a year, it's a gross miscalculation, a team killing miscalculation. That's a high stakes game of chicken the Leafs are willing to play, when they weren't willing to play in a much lower stakes Nylander situation.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

That's only the right strategy if Marner caves before the start of the season, if doing that will cause him to sit for a year, it's a gross miscalculation, a team killing miscalculation. That's a high stakes game of chicken the Leafs are willing to play, when they weren't willing to play in a much lower stakes Nylander situation.

There will still be a hockey season if Marner sits, the Leafs will still have offence but be brought down by their lack of D and a wonky goaltender, if I thought the Leafs were favorites loaded up and on the cusp, that would be different, but I think the Leafs are overrated and Marner doesn't put them over the top, ergo, no pressure this year, let him sit, it's not a deal breaker either way, so just wait him out, if he decides he doesn't want to play this year, that's  his choice, and the fans will blame him not Dubas, do Dubas has nothing to lose.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

If Marner sits a year, then The Shanaplan is a fraud, Same Old Leafs. Marner won't be the one to blame, Shanahan and Dubas will be.

Quite the opposite, to cave in and give Marner the moon is the Old Leafs, the Shanaplan is you keep drafting and developing and nobody is bigger than the team, if Marner wants out, you take the picks and move on, the process will take care of itself, it's Old Leafs thinking to say that one player must be caved into otherwise you are screwed.

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