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Will Doug Ford go after seniors drug benefits?

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On 1/25/2019 at 8:45 PM, turningrite said:

I read an article several days ago (link below) indicating that the Ford government possibly intends to end the long-existing universal drug benefit program for seniors. The implications of this could be quite significant, particularly given that seniors generally constitute a reliable conservative voting bloc. Will Ford throw that away, effectively giving Trudeau an issue the Libs might be able to use to sweep Ontario's federal seats? The repercussions could be much more widespread and serious, however, with many senior and near-senior voters potentially becoming aware of the extent to which governments are willing to pull benefits from long-time taxpayers in order to furnish them to more fashionable (i.e. politically correct) voting blocs. If the Ford government goes ahead with this, I think it could become a huge mess.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2019/01/10/fate-of-ontario-drug-benefit-could-define-federal-election.html

Probably has plans to eliminate that plan for people who are rich and who can afford to pay for it without hurting them. Ford is not stupid. He is a conservative. Most people in Ontario have been led to believe that conservatism will lead to death. Anything they do or say will automatically lead to the end of the world. All just lieberal lies and bull chit. Lieberals will try and grasp at anything to make the conservatives look like a bunch of Stalinists. I am not worried about it at all and neither should you. Just saying.  

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4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Dougie Ford is not going to do anything significant, the point of Dougie Ford was simply to stop the bleeding of the Wynnederps. 

The damage the Wynnederps hath wrought cannot be undone without a reckoning. 

There will be austerity imposed therein by default.  All governments in the meantime are simply placeholders.

When the time comes, Ontario will have hard choices imposed upon it, Dougie Ford is prolly long gone by then.

It's time to cut big lieberal government. Someone has to do it and let it be conservative Doug Ford. The sad part about it all is that once the fools vote out the lieberals in the next provincial election the lieberals or the NDP will bring it all back and then the taxpayer's will start to get shafted and lose again. Politics in Canada is like a merry go round. It just goes around and around in circles and just makes us all dizzy like hell in the end. Only common sense will solve that dizzyness which is sadly and seriously lacking in Canada land today. What a country. :lol:

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22 minutes ago, taxme said:

It's time to cut big lieberal government. Someone has to do it and let it be conservative Doug Ford. The sad part about it all is that once the fools vote out the lieberals in the next provincial election the lieberals or the NDP will bring it all back and then the taxpayer's will start to get shafted and lose again. Politics in Canada is like a merry go round. It just goes around and around in circles and just makes us all dizzy like hell in the end. Only common sense will solve that dizzyness which is sadly and seriously lacking in Canada land today. What a country. :lol:

a) let Quebec go

b) kick Quebec out by going first

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

?  That's not how it works.

Yes it is.  Generations only make significant change when they are young.  When they get old, they vote like old people, who all vote the same.

The window for the Millennials to make some sort of lasting impact, has passed them by.

 

 

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19 hours ago, taxme said:

Probably has plans to eliminate that plan for people who are rich and who can afford to pay for it without hurting them.

But how will Ford save much money that way? Reportedly, the government is looking to shave perhaps a couple billion from the current 6 billion dollar drug program. If only those rich enough to have the old age pension clawed back (i.e. the reasonably rich), who account for about 6 percent of all pensioners, get hit, the government will save maybe a couple hundred million. When the Wynne government looked at reducing the costs of the program, it apparently determined that in order to save any serious money single seniors with incomes greater than about 19K and couples with incomes greater than about 32K would have to be categorized as wealthy. Of course, in Toronto, a one-bedroom apartment now costs more than 2K monthly, so what would a reasonable income  cut-off be? And would it be the same in Toronto as in, say, North Bay? Singles earning 19K to 50K and couples earning 32K to 80K probably constitute the vast majority of seniors in this province. Given that its likely many have annual drug costs of 4K to 6K and some with serious illnesses face much higher costs - prices heavily juiced by government patent protection and trade deals - how much should seniors, who during their working years paid high taxes to cover the benefits of others, be paying?

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Those of us who voted for Dougie Ford were not expecting miracles, we are aware that undoing the damage of the Wynnderps will require a reckoning, and that can't be done overnight, it's going to take decades to dig ourselves out of this hole, and the real digging cannot start, until the pain comes.  The pain will come, but by then Dougie Ford will be gone.

In the meantime, do what you can to stop the bleeding. And stick it to the lefties too. Slaughter their sacred cows, starting with the rule of the teachers unions.

Take it one day at a time.  Shoot a sacred cow,  then move on to the next one.

Green Energy Plan; Blam!

OPSEU controlled cannabis revenues; Blam!

"Intersectional" education curriculum; Blam!

Edited by Dougie93
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On 2/3/2019 at 11:38 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1) That's what I was trying to say.

2) Are you saying millennials are urging enhanced CPP ?  I mostly hear them complaining about tuition and housing prices but ok.  The subsidy class would include people who 'paid in' to systems that were run on massive funding deficits.

3) By my observations, they very much view 'boomers' as the enemy.

 

 

1.) No, you weren't. My understanding of your initial position is that you were saying that millennials think seniors are privileged and must therefore have their benefits reduced.

2.) Who do you think the government intends will benefit by the expansion of the CPP? It's certainly not existing seniors, who won't benefit from these changes at all. Of course, millennials have other concerns too, as do all demographic groups. And it's certainly not seniors who have juiced housing costs. The blame for that rests squarely on governments that have juiced demand with mass immigration as well as lax rules on capital gains and foreign investment.

As for the subsidy class, you're veering toward obfuscation. Most working people in this country don't consume more in government program costs during their working years than they pay into the system. An excellent analysis of "net tax rates" (i.e. taxes paid by minus transfers paid to Canadians) is linked below. See the chart on Page 18, in particular, which demonstrates that a majority of Canadians pay more in taxes during their working years than they consumer in government program costs. The most glaring exception is those who fall into the bottom fifth of income earners, who are never in any age cohort net contributors and by age 60 and beyond consume vastly more in program costs than they contribute while the costs vs. contributions differentials associated with middle income pensioners (i.e. the middle 5th on the chart) are much, much lower.

3.) Your observations of what, precisely? More likely it seems, it's just your opinion.

https://www.policyschool.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/tax-incidence-crisan-mckenzie-mintz.pdf

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I'm not even a senior yet, and yet I've been milking the Millennial moo calfs for some time now. 

Little bit o' Occupy Wall Street nonsense for a moment there, pepper sprayed into submission, problem solved.

Bernie Bros don't have the courage of their commie convictions, who knew? 

Have you seen the whip that Sanders drives?  It's a f**kin Audi R8.  lol

 

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21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

a) let Quebec go

b) kick Quebec out by going first

I meant to say "vote out the conservatives". 

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1 minute ago, taxme said:

I meant to say "vote out the conservatives". 

That's what I'm saying.  Domestic Self Governing Federation of the British Empire never lived up to its terms and as such a millstone around our necks; not worth conserving.

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21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

a) let Quebec go

b) kick Quebec out by going first

The rest of the country cannot get rid of Quebec. Canada belongs to Quebec. Why would Quebec leave when they own and run the bloody country?  French only for Quebec, bilingualism for the rest of Canada. What a deal for french, eh? :(  Even if the rest of Canada could get together and try to dump Quebec they would not. They always cry out to Quebec "please don't go". We love seeing french on our cereal corn flakes boxes. :lol: 

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2 hours ago, turningrite said:

But how will Ford save much money that way? Reportedly, the government is looking to shave perhaps a couple billion from the current 6 billion dollar drug program. If only those rich enough to have the old age pension clawed back (i.e. the reasonably rich), who account for about 6 percent of all pensioners, get hit, the government will save maybe a couple hundred million. When the Wynne government looked at reducing the costs of the program, it apparently determined that in order to save any serious money single seniors with incomes greater than about 19K and couples with incomes greater than about 32K would have to be categorized as wealthy. Of course, in Toronto, a one-bedroom apartment now costs more than 2K monthly, so what would a reasonable income  cut-off be? And would it be the same in Toronto as in, say, North Bay? Singles earning 19K to 50K and couples earning 32K to 80K probably constitute the vast majority of seniors in this province. Given that its likely many have annual drug costs of 4K to 6K and some with serious illnesses face much higher costs - prices heavily juiced by government patent protection and trade deals - how much should seniors, who during their working years paid high taxes to cover the benefits of others, be paying?

Our dear prime mistake just gave $53 million of our tax dollars to Venezuala today. Money lost that could go to Canadians. We have plenty of good social services in Ontario and Canada to help our needy but instead we throw away money in foreign aid to countries like Venezuala among so many other countries. I am fed up being my worlds big brother keeper. Billions saved if we could get our wasteful spending politicians to stop blowing our tax dollars willy-nilly like our money grows on trees. Never mind what we waste on legal/illegal so called refugees. 

How much is a green leaf worth today anyway? LOL. 

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I have no need of Quebec,  Upper Canada is fifteen million people,  three quarters of a trillion dollars GDP. 

Sayonara, Quebec, f**k Alberta, buh-bye BC.

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I have no need of Quebec,  Upper Canada is fifteen million people,  three quarters of a trillion dollars GDP. 

Sayonara, Quebec, f**k Alberta, buh-bye BC.

Vive le Haut-Canada libre. God Save The Queen.

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Vive le Haut-Canada libre. God Save The Queen.

Governor-General at Queens Park, an Australia of our very own, Dieu et mon droit, our protector.

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Those of us who voted for Dougie Ford were not expecting miracles, we are aware that undoing the damage of the Wynnderps will require a reckoning, and that can't be done overnight, it's going to take decades to dig ourselves out of this hole, and the real digging cannot start, until the pain comes.  The pain will come, but by then Dougie Ford will be gone.

In the meantime, do what you can to stop the bleeding. And stick it to the lefties too. Slaughter their sacred cows, starting with the rule of the teachers unions.

Take it one day at a time.  Shoot a sacred cow,  then move on to the next one.

Green Energy Plan; Blam!

OPSEU controlled cannabis revenues; Blam!

"Intersectional" education curriculum; Blam!

Everyone seems to want to avoid the following and discuss them. Stop bringing in legal/illegal refugees by the hundreds of thousands every year that have to be looked after with our tax dollars that can run into the hundreds of millions of tax dollars every year. Stop all leftist liberal pet peeve bilingualism and multiculturalism foreign aid programs and agendas in Ontario and Canada not to forget the amount of social and medical services that these so called refugees suck off of our system. Millions upon millions of tax dollars saved right there every year. This country needs a big over haul as to how our wasteful spending politicians just blow our tax dollars like water flowing under a bridge. It's time to say enough already. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I have no need of Quebec,  Upper Canada is fifteen million people,  three quarters of a trillion dollars GDP. 

Sayonara, Quebec, f**k Alberta, buh-bye BC.

Long live Western separation. Goodbye Ontario.  :D

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Bankrupt the Nanny Socialist Police State by feeding the nanny socialists rope to hang themselves with, then it will be sayonara Quebec, f**k Alberta, buh-bye BC.

 

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2 minutes ago, taxme said:

Long live Western separation. Goodbye Ontario.  :D

Go in peace, we can easily share the Queen, without being bound together in Confederation.  Commonwealth Dominions reporting straight to Buckingham Palace ftw.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm not even a senior yet, and yet I've been milking the Millennial moo calfs for some time now. 

Little bit o' Occupy Wall Street nonsense for a moment there, pepper sprayed into submission, problem solved.

Bernie Bros don't have the courage of their commie convictions, who knew? 

Have you seen the whip that Sanders drives?  It's a f**kin Audi R8.  lol

 

And his comrade supporting members love this comrade. The ones who pretty much have nothing. I always wonder as to how so many of the upper elite of any of the socialist and communist party's always seem to be millionaires. Pelosi and Bernie are millionaires who only want the insides of a loaf of bread while the ends and the crumbs can go to their supporters. And then those supporters are probably the ones who whine about Trump being a billionaire. Go figure.

At least Doug Ford does not act like those comrades, including Trudeau, who say that they are all for we the people when they are not at all there for we the people. Ford is for we the people. I am jealous out here in BC that we do not have a conservative leader like Doug Ford. All we have here in BC are a bunch of liberal/socialist,communist, and environmentalist controlled fools running and ruining this province. BC needs a true and real conservative party. Unfortunately, I do not believe that I will ever see that day happening here in BC. B'rs are too socialist for my liking. Just saying. 

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18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Bankrupt the Nanny Socialist Police State by feeding the nanny socialists rope to hang themselves with, then it will be sayonara Quebec, f**k Alberta, buh-bye BC.

 

I don't think that Ford has any plans in the near future to want to separate Ontario from the rest of Canada, especially Quebec. Ford appears to like Quebec for some n/k silly reason. The only way we will know if Ford does not like Quebec is if he starts to eliminate Ontario becoming a fully bilingual province and Ford starts to get rid of french on his corn flakes boxes. Lol. 

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22 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Go in peace, we can easily share the Queen, without being bound together in Confederation.  Commonwealth Dominions reporting straight to Buckingham Palace ftw.

The Queen must go in a Western four province separate country from Manitoba to BC. and the Yukon in between. You can have her majesty all to yourself.  :D  

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4 minutes ago, taxme said:

The Queen must go in a Western four province separate country from Manitoba to BC. and the Yukon in between. You can have her majesty all to yourself.  :D  

As the only legal claim to Upper Canada is Dieu et mon droit by the Treaty of Paris 1763, we will of course remain a Commonwealth Dominion, United Empire Loyalists to the bone.

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10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

As the only legal claim to Upper Canada is Dieu et mon droit by the Treaty of Paris 1763, we will of course remain a Commonwealth Dominion, United Empire Loyalists to the bone.

Enjoy your bone. Lol. 

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