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On 2/22/2019 at 3:38 PM, scribblet said:

Trudeau.........making Canada safe for corruption again,,,,

 

What is stopping Conservatives from ever doing anything tangible to prevent corruption when they're in power?

Corruption is like weather, everyone talks about it but never does anything about it... correction, corruption is more like climate - the economy would die if we actually do anything.

So...apparently all the Conservatives can do about corruption is....signal their virtue.

We're caught between a stupid and a stupider place.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What is stopping Conservatives from ever doing anything tangible to prevent corruption when they're in power?

Corruption is like weather, everyone talks about it but never does anything about it... correction, corruption is more like climate - the economy would die if we actually do anything.

So...apparently all the Conservatives can do about corruption is....signal their virtue.

We're caught between a stupid and a stupider place.

It's a duopoly,  two wings of the same Nanny Police State, there is the Nanny Socialist wing, and the Nanny Prohibitionist wing.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

This is why Canada is not dynamic in the 21st century, because beneath all the Eskimo Communism, structurally, it is an archaic 19th century British slave empire, trying to navigate in the American Information Age Empire of Liberty.

Wrong.  Canada is cool.  Information Age ground zero.  Cosmopolitan, multicultural, well run...

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Back to the topic...  can't type much on a tablet so...

The fix is in  DON MARTIN
A tidbit from @nathancullen not widely known: The committee was asked to move the @Puglaas testimony to noon today, the better to ask @JustinTrudeau about it in QP. Voted down by Lib MPs. Now the PM, who is away tomorrow, dodges Qs until March 18 when the Commons returns.

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6 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Back to the topic...  can't type much on a tablet so...

The fix is in  DON MARTIN
A tidbit from @nathancullen not widely known: The committee was asked to move the @Puglaas testimony to noon today, the better to ask @JustinTrudeau about it in QP. Voted down by Lib MPs. Now the PM, who is away tomorrow, dodges Qs until March 18 when the Commons returns.

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If this was Harper the media would be hounding him wherever he goes. Let see if they go after trudeau.

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So now we know that continuous and sustained pressure was put on the former AG and she stood her ground.  I applaud her for that.  What I do not and will not condone is the fact that she should have come forward with her concerns.  She should have resigned her post instead of waiting until the PM stupidly said she was still in cabinet. 

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3 hours ago, mowich said:

So now we know that continuous and sustained pressure was put on the former AG and she stood her ground.  I applaud her for that.  What I do not and will not condone is the fact that she should have come forward with her concerns.  She should have resigned her post instead of waiting until the PM stupidly said she was still in cabinet. 

She could not come forward, client confidentiality agreement :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, egghead said:

She could not come forward, client confidentiality agreement :rolleyes:

I agree that while still acting AG she probably could not resign.  However, once she was pushed out and given Vet Affairs, she had evry opportunity to come forward.  She did eventually resign but only after the 'still in cabinet' remarks by JT.  Moot point though as it looks like her tenure as a liberal MP may soon be over if JT's remarks today are any indication of her future with the party. 

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5 hours ago, mowich said:

So now we know that continuous and sustained pressure was put on the former AG and she stood her ground.  I applaud her for that.  What I do not and will not condone is the fact that she should have come forward with her concerns.  She should have resigned her post instead of waiting until the PM stupidly said she was still in cabinet. 

I kind of disagree. They pressured her to change the decision and she said no. Where they really stepped over the line, imo is when they then fired her, so they could put someone in there who would break the law like they wanted her to do.

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

I kind of disagree. They pressured her to change the decision and she said no. Where they really stepped over the line, imo is when they then fired her, so they could put someone in there who would break the law like they wanted her to do.

But the point is that there is a way of penalizing SNC without putting them out of business.  Wilson-Raybould didn’t choose that option and won’t explain why. Sounds like an ideological position.  The PM can shuffle an MP out of a portfolio if he/she doesn’t like the work.   Trudeau has two main reasons: protecting thousands of jobs and finding JWR difficult to work with.  

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1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the point is that there is a way of penalizing SNC without putting them out of business.  Wilson-Raybould didn’t choose that option and won’t explain why. Sounds like an ideological position.  The PM can shuffle an MP out of a portfolio if he/she doesn’t like the work.   Trudeau has two main reasons: protecting thousands of jobs and finding JWR difficult to work with.  

 

Right...he said it was her decision to make...so Justin Trudeau fired her when she made a decision.   

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32 minutes ago, mowich said:

I agree that while still acting AG she probably could not resign.  However, once she was pushed out and given Vet Affairs, she had evry opportunity to come forward.  She did eventually resign but only after the 'still in cabinet' remarks by JT.  Moot point though as it looks like her tenure as a liberal MP may soon be over if JT's remarks today are any indication of her future with the party. 

No, she cannot come forward until her client (the gov't) waives the client privilege:rolleyes:

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14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the point is that there is a way of penalizing SNC without putting them out of business.  Wilson-Raybould didn’t choose that option and won’t explain why. Sounds like an ideological position.  The PM can shuffle an MP out of a portfolio if he/she doesn’t like the work.   Trudeau has two main reasons: protecting thousands of jobs and finding JWR difficult to work with.  

That is not her job to assure SNC will be in business; stop drinking JT's  Kool-aid

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On 2/23/2019 at 11:32 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The PM is directly responsible for ensuring that there are opportunities for Canadians.   

And, those opportunities for Canadians have changed how??????   ANY other company that is NOT breaking CRIMINAL laws do NOT have such an opportunity because the LPC and PMO and CPC have interfered to try to give a criminal organization the very special privilege of continuing to buy business from their faudulent acts and bribery of public officials and politicians.

The PM, the AG and every other elected official are directly responsible to the people of this country to uphold the law, not guarantee privilege to criminals to continue their illegal ways.

As far as the jobs go, once again, I and many others here will continue to remind you that the same work will get done when the tender is called, regardelss of who wins, and they will have to employ the same number of people to do that work - and many/most of them will probably be former SNC employees.

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Jody Wilson-Raybould had stated numerous times, "NO!"  ....and yet, Justin Trrudeau and his minions kept on.  She even lost her job!

  If we put this along the context of sexual harassment - Trudeau (and his minions) would be run out of town (and feminists will demand his head on a platter!)

How many politicians lost their seats, or were thrown out of caucus because of alleged harassment?

 

NO, means NO!

Why is this any different?   In fact.....this is much worse.  More importantly, we're also talking of obstruction of justice! This involves outright corruption!  Trudeau is leading Canada down the path to become a banana republic - and all these pro-Trudeau media could ever do is try to justify Trudeau's corruption!

 

When you say, for the sake of public interest, you mean the whole Canada - not just a particular place like.....Quebec!  

Media were not hostile with Trudeau last night, unlike they were with Scheer or Singh.   No one challenged Trudeau, or did a follow-up when he evaded a question about him pointing out to Raybould that he is a member of Parliament for Papineau (and instead gave his usual talking point about jobs and Canada's interest).....so we know now, certain media will try to protect Trudeau!

 

Is Trudeau saying  as long as corporations will bring jobs - they will be above the law?   Trudeau puts Canada's interest as a bargaining chip for his own gain!  He wants to win the election, plain and simple!   Trudeau is working on it to make it become acceptable as the norm: create jobs and you get special status!

 

What is the worst that could happen to public's interest?   That the system gets thoroughly corrupted.....and we end up like a real third world country!  That there won't be any rule of law - in the real sense of the word.

 

Wake up, Canada!

 

 

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16 minutes ago, betsy said:

Is Trudeau saying  as long as corporations will bring jobs - they will be above the law?   Trudeau puts Canada's interest as a bargaining chip for his own gain!  He wants to win the election, plain and simple!   Trudeau is working on it to make it become acceptable as the norm: create jobs and you get special status!!

Your lack of reasoning and understanding is sufficient to qualify you as a genuine Canadian voter.

SNC has "created" jobs in this case how??????   The Federal infrastructure projects are the Federal projects - things we as a country need done and things any government will have done.  Doing them doesn't "create" any jobs, it simply assigns the work to whatever qualified bidder is successful at getting the contracts.

The issue is HOW do you get such a contract.  In the case of SNC, they do so by fraudulent representations (and  billing) bribing politicians and officials of whatever place they seek to bid - thus why the have been eliminated as bidders worldwide by the World Bank and why the government of Canada is seeking to prosecute them under the laws of this country for their extremely well known behaviour as criminals when seeking privilege to take such work from legitimate bidders in this country.

If a federal project is in let's say BC, the work will employ people in BC, only a few support staff in Quebec.   What DOES go to PQ is the profit, and what goes in the normal course of business from PQ to the LPC is a share of that profit, paid in advance and as we can clearly see, directed by the PMO, the Leader of the LPC, his office staff and the Clerk of the Privy Council.   Offering, paying, negotiating and/or receiving any such benefit is a criminal offense in this country (and every other on Earth) - and those who have done so in SNC, the LPC and employees of the Government of Canada (such as the Clerk of the Privy Council) have also committed criminal offenses and need to be prosecuted under the applicable laws.

We may point fingers at JWR for any number of reasons, but in the end, she did what in the history of Canada and Quebec NOBODY has yet to do - stand up to her own party and enforce the laws of this country as was her responsibility as AG of this country.   We have had SNC doing this in Canada for DECADES, and it is broadly known throughout the engineering and construction communities that THIS is how SNC built their company to the size that it is.  AND, in all of that time, NO AG has prosecuted them for crimes that have obviously been committed literally thousands of times.   It was of course not the Liberals who charged SNC officials with their crimes regarding Libya - it was the Euros and MEXICO - for F's sake they are so corrupt even the damn Mexicans couldn't stand them!!!!!!!!!  These were not allegations, they were CONVICTIONS, and of course it is a slam dunk in Canada.   BTW: notice how in Quebec, one of the execs charged here in related case got off scott free by simply having the LPC instruct the prosecution to delay long enough to allow a court to rule lack of speedy justice.

What is needed far more than just the conviction of the criminals involved, but a serious inquiry into everything and anything involving SNC in this country and literally EVERY official and politician who has enabled them and/or benefited from their actions.

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One of the take aways from this is Kate Telford' comments is herr saying  she would have positive “op eds” written about Wilson-Raybould if she would make the right decision.

That's big IMO as obviously it implies that the media (some ) will do her bidding, that is as big a scandal IMO.    Which media, she should be required under oath to name names. 

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1 hour ago, cannuck said:

Your lack of reasoning and understanding is sufficient to qualify you as a genuine Canadian voter.

SNC has "created" jobs in this case how??????   

Exactly where did I say that SNC  created jobs?

Will you read again.....and try to understand what you read:

 

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Is Trudeau saying  as long as corporations will bring jobs - they will be above the law?   Trudeau puts Canada's interest as a bargaining chip for his own gain!  He wants to win the election, plain and simple!   Trudeau is working on it to make it become acceptable as the norm: create jobs and you get special status!! 

 

Your obvious lack of understanding, is quite enough to say,  your opinion is.......unreasonable.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Argus said:

I kind of disagree. They pressured her to change the decision and she said no. Where they really stepped over the line, imo is when they then fired her, so they could put someone in there who would break the law like they wanted her to do.

Did that happen or did the new AG continue with the prosecution?

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