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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Not even close, as evidenced by the fact the NDP carried on like nothing changed.

I know your reading comprehension is a lot better than that, it's just that being a socialist zealot seems to prevent you from seeing things.

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1 minute ago, cannuck said:

I know your reading comprehension is a lot better than that, it's just that being a socialist zealot seems to prevent you from seeing things.

I'm more like a zealot of the governed. You just don't get that difference do you? Can't allow for the existence of a political atheist in your universe?

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Socialists try to hard - socialism will come naturally on its own in the absence of sociopathy. Making governments transparent to the greatest extent possible is the key.

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7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Can't allow for the existence of a political atheist in your universe?

If that is what you really are, you have my undying respect.

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16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Another option is not to be so extreme one way or another, but to use wisdom and intelligence to make more moderate judgements. That's not a partisan trait these days.

FIFY.

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Just now, cannuck said:

If that is what you really are, you have my undying respect.

Don't ever forget it and you'll have no trouble ever understanding me.

I'm also a national atheist as should be obvious by now to anyone who's read my posts.

China's leaders have no more use for where I'm coming from than Canada's and for the exact same reason.

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This overflows to the Local Politics but I shall post it here.

Watson on the news today was indicating the OC Transpo fares will increase before the LRT is even ready for public use.  His notion was that they need to pay for the project.  Let's not forget the are 1.5 BILLION over budget. Which is something the taxpayers and patrons of the public transportation system should NEVER have to pay for.

Maybe Jim Watson can pitch some of his own money into the project, I might be willing to pay an increase of the fare.  Until then,  screw him.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rtg-will-not-achieve-handover-date-for-confederation-line-by-end-of-june-1.4450827

 

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1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

This overflows to the Local Politics but I shall post it here.

Watson on the news today was indicating the OC Transpo fares will increase before the LRT is even ready for public use.  His notion was that they need to pay for the project.  Let's not forget the are 1.5 BILLION over budget. Which is something the taxpayers and patrons of the public transportation system should NEVER have to pay for.

Maybe Jim Watson can pitch some of his own money into the project, I might be willing to pay an increase of the fare.  Until then,  screw him.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rtg-will-not-achieve-handover-date-for-confederation-line-by-end-of-june-1.4450827

 

But once the entrenched interests have been paid to construct the public transit boondoggles, that's mission accomplished, they're not giving the money back, so whether you refuse to use the thing is neither here nor there, because they've already moved on to the next boondoggle.

Canadians are so easy to scam with these sorts of things because Canadians are enthralled by centrally planned government doing everything, that's why this country is so good for entrenched interests, there's barely opposition to them at all, and what opposition there is, is vastly outnumbered by an ocean of nanny stater suckahs.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-bleeding-after-snc-lavalin-affair-seems-to-have-stopped-leger-poll-1.4466397

Every time. Once a major story is blown and then some time passes, people forget.   But I do not wan't them to forget.

 

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OTTAWA -- A new poll suggests the federal Liberals have stopped the bleeding from the beating they took in the SNC-Lavalin furor.

The Leger poll suggests the Liberals have closed the gap slightly with the front-running Conservatives since April and dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his government has eased a bit.

More significantly, the poll also suggests the Liberals have opened up a 14-point lead over the Conservatives when it comes to which of the two main parties Canadians would prefer to see form government after the Oct. 21 vote.

The liberals need to continue to bleed in my view.  No matter we'll be at this again in another few years under a different government that will continue to allow SNC-Lavalin to be one of the most corrupt companies I have ever witnessed.

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Again this ties into local politics here in Ottawa.

In a recent thing from CBC is that Watson accused other people of 'school yard politics' regarding fare freezing for OC Transpo riders.  Several people called for a freeze and even a reduction in fares to compensate the very frustrated people riding the OC transpo system AND for all the drivers on the road that cannot go where they normally go because of OC Transpo's notion of 'Share the road'.  Many places I cannot go because of them and I would get an instant fine if driving in their lanes (I think everyone now should drive in the bus lanes to 'share the road'.

School yard politics is not explaining why the fare increase is nessecary to pay for the next stage when he will not explain why it's a year late and 1.5B over budget.

Looks like not a lot of people are happy with how this is all going. Most twitter replies I see in his feed are quite negative. And for good reason.

 

 

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4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Every time. Once a major story is blown and then some time passes, people forget.   But I do not wan't them to forget.

I've never forgotten how Ottawa mismanaged Pacific salmon but of course that had a direct impact on me so I guess that's what makes the difference.

It'll take a Brobdingnagian impact to blunt Canadians capacity for losing sight of their governments worst failings to effect any real change.  I suspect a good part of this capacity is deliberate so it'll have to be personal enough an impact to really hurt.

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14 hours ago, GostHacked said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-bleeding-after-snc-lavalin-affair-seems-to-have-stopped-leger-poll-1.4466397

Every time. Once a major story is blown and then some time passes, people forget.   But I do not wan't them to forget.

 

The liberals need to continue to bleed in my view.  No matter we'll be at this again in another few years under a different government that will continue to allow SNC-Lavalin to be one of the most corrupt companies I have ever witnessed.

liberal voters  are good with what happened, Justin has good hair once again, he's a feminist, were back to smoking our weed , everything is good....Scheer is losing some of his shinny status, people are starting to see him as he is...

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JWR never struck me as someone who would be intimidated by pressure from a co-worker. She might be annoyed, angry, vengeful...but intimidated? Who leaked to the press? What legal decisions did JWR make that benefited aboriginal rights? Did she maintain equal consideration for the needs and rights of Quebec workers? Her decision was made months in advance, could she have just stayed open to discussion longer? Why did JWR talk to the press over and over and over while the PM and her colleagues said nothing? Is it possible that , as her employer, the PM needed to move her to a different position because of performance issues? He would not be able to talk about that with anyone but her. Why did people automatically assume JWR's truth is the truth?

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19 minutes ago, HeadLines said:

Why did people automatically assume JWR's truth is the truth?

Because Trudeau is a proven liar.

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19 hours ago, HeadLines said:

JWR never struck me as someone who would be intimidated by pressure from a co-worker. She might be annoyed, angry, vengeful...but intimidated? Who leaked to the press? What legal decisions did JWR make that benefited aboriginal rights? Did she maintain equal consideration for the needs and rights of Quebec workers? Her decision was made months in advance, could she have just stayed open to discussion longer? Why did JWR talk to the press over and over and over while the PM and her colleagues said nothing? Is it possible that , as her employer, the PM needed to move her to a different position because of performance issues? He would not be able to talk about that with anyone but her. Why did people automatically assume JWR's truth is the truth?

Raybold has been consistent in her speech regarding all of this. Trudeau has not been consistent and to save face had to kick these two ladies out of the party for calling him out on the lies and his inability to do what is right in this SNC-Lavalin matter.  IS that what we want in a PM?

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5 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Raybold has been consistent in her speech regarding all of this. Trudeau has not been consistent and to save face had to kick these two ladies out of the party for calling him out on the lies and his inability to do what is right in this SNC-Lavalin matter.  IS that what we want in a PM

There are 35  cabinet members. They met with the PM to discuss what to do. All agreed that Wilson and Philpott should be removed. The PM did not need to make the announcement but he did. No one else chose to quit their job to support Wilson and Philpott. The PM actually said very little. Perhaps he wanted to understand what went wrong before speaking out? What do you think the PM could have said? He was her boss. If he put on a Trump show would you believe what he said? Perhaps the biggest mystery to me is why she quit. If she quit because she was no longer in the powerful legal position she wanted she seems more like a disgruntled employee than an ethical hero.

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18 hours ago, HeadLines said:

There are 35  cabinet members. They met with the PM to discuss what to do. All agreed that Wilson and Philpott should be removed. The PM did not need to make the announcement but he did. No one else chose to quit their job to support Wilson and Philpott. The PM actually said very little. Perhaps he wanted to understand what went wrong before speaking out? What do you think the PM could have said? He was her boss. If he put on a Trump show would you believe what he said? Perhaps the biggest mystery to me is why she quit. If she quit because she was no longer in the powerful legal position she wanted she seems more like a disgruntled employee than an ethical hero.

So the whole liberal party is now responsible for covering up government sanctioned corporate corruption if that was the case that 35 members voted her out.

But this is factually incorrect at it was solely Justin Trudeau who kicked out Raybold.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/did-justin-trudeau-break-the-law-by-kicking-jody-wilson-raybould-and-jane-philpott-out-of-caucus

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In a brief speech last Tuesday Trudeau announced his decision to remove Philpott and Wilson-Raybould from caucus after both resigned from cabinet in the wake of the SNC-Lavalin scandal. Wilson-Raybould testified that Trudeau and his top officials tried pressuring her, for political reasons, to cut a deal for Montreal engineering firm SNC-Lavalin so it could avoid criminal prosecution for fraud and bribery.

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Trudeau announced the decision as his own, and Philpott argued Tuesday Liberal MPs never had a chance to have their say — even though the Parliament of Canada Act was amended in 2015, with Chong’s Reform Act, so that these types of situations could be avoided

All because Raybold and Phillpott called Trudeau out on the handling of the SNC-Lavalin issue. Interesting that we treat whistleblowers with the utmost disdain instead of recognizing the issues they are trying to bring to light.

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33 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

So the whole liberal party is now responsible for covering up government sanctioned corporate corruption if that was the case that 35 members voted her out.

But this is factually incorrect at it was solely Justin Trudeau who kicked out Raybold.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/did-justin-trudeau-break-the-law-by-kicking-jody-wilson-raybould-and-jane-philpott-out-of-caucus

All because Raybold and Phillpott called Trudeau out on the handling of the SNC-Lavalin issue. Interesting that we treat whistleblowers with the utmost disdain instead of recognizing the issues they are trying to bring to light.

I guess it depends where you get your news. National Post is owned by Postmedia -  financial backing from a U.S. private equity firm, the Manhattan-based hedge fund GoldenTree Asset Management—which owns 35 per cent

Canada owns CBC:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-philpott-snc-lavalin-trudeau-1.5076998

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-wilson-raybould-philpott-caucus-1.5080880

Regarding the right to have her say each new government decides on a few basic rules when they take over. The Liberals decided not to follow the Chong Reform Act. Jane Philpott had the chance to "speak her truth". She was part of a team and she did not agree with the team. This does not make her right and the others wrong. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-philpott-snc-lavalin-trudeau-1.5076998

 

 

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5 hours ago, HeadLines said:

I guess it depends where you get your news. National Post is owned by Postmedia -  financial backing from a U.S. private equity firm, the Manhattan-based hedge fund GoldenTree Asset Management—which owns 35 per cent

Canada owns CBC:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-philpott-snc-lavalin-trudeau-1.5076998

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-wilson-raybould-philpott-caucus-1.5080880

Regarding the right to have her say each new government decides on a few basic rules when they take over. The Liberals decided not to follow the Chong Reform Act. Jane Philpott had the chance to "speak her truth". She was part of a team and she did not agree with the team. This does not make her right and the others wrong. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-philpott-snc-lavalin-trudeau-1.5076998

 

 

This is exactly what I was talking about, Liberals just refuse to see that anything was done wrong here, that the liberal party is above regulations and policies on how our government is run .

Justins hair is once again fashionable, and so are his uhhhmmms and aaahhhsss, liberals will once again gather around boy wonder and start singing kum baya  around the fires that will be used to roast sheers Conservatives, and what is left of the  rest of Canada.....

 

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14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

This is exactly what I was talking about, Liberals just refuse to see that anything was done wrong here, that the liberal party is above regulations and policies on how our government is run .

Justins hair is once again fashionable, and so are his uhhhmmms and aaahhhsss, liberals will once again gather around boy wonder and start singing kum baya  around the fires that will be used to roast sheers Conservatives, and what is left of the  rest of Canada.....

 

And it's not just the Liberals, this bullshit with SNC goes back at least 2 decades. So it's not partisan in any way whatsoever. Our whole government is to blame for allowing corruption.

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15 hours ago, GostHacked said:

And it's not just the Liberals, this bullshit with SNC goes back at least 2 decades. So it's not partisan in any way whatsoever. Our whole government is to blame for allowing corruption.

We're ultimately responsible for our government.  It really is on us, its 2019 ffs and there's just no excuse for the primitive systems of accountability we allow our governments to 'labour' under.

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8 hours ago, eyeball said:

We're ultimately responsible for our government.  It really is on us, its 2019 ffs and there's just no excuse for the primitive systems of accountability we allow our governments to 'labour' under.

On my drive home I was stopped at a red light, looked to the left and saw the SNC-Lavalin building here in Ottawa. I simply flipped it off and kept driving. What a combo, a crap PM, an even worse provincial premier and a failed mayor.  Ontario is headed down a more dangerous road than what we got with Wynne.

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Your Doug Ford Derangement Syndrome is laughable, first of all, Ontario desperately needs a fiscal hardliner to come in and make massive cuts to the runaway spending before there is a fiscal crisis and that is imposed on you by bond markets which you have no control over, second, Doug Ford ain't actually that guy, because he's too scared to stand up to the screeching which inevitably comes when you have to do that, so he isn't really doing much at all.

If you start making the cuts now, you can pick and choose what is important and what is really just a frill, if you wait until the bond markets impose cuts on you, everything will be getting cut across the board all at once.

The largest sub sovereign debt in the world, a debt larger than California's for less than half the population of California, is not sustainable, somebody needs to save Ontarions from themselves, because as a collective,  this province is infantilized and thus totally irresponsible, recklessly so.

Leadership is not actually a popularity contest, someone needs to stand up to the cry babies in this province and let them know; you can either decide what you are willing to jettison to live within your means, or someone will decide for you, which do you prefer?

The answer at this juncture seems to be Ontarions want to live in fiscal la la land until the debt bubble blows up in their faces, but as that is going to come crashing down on the working poor and middle classes, a responsible leader would take the punch bowl away now.

Perhaps Dougie Ford will grow a spine perhaps he wont, but since he's basically just punting at this point, Ford Derangement Syndrome is rather premature.

Even the Liberals realize that they let things go off the rails, they may end up having to be the ones to give Ontario the bad news, if/when Ford chickens out and in doing so lets the Liberals back into power.

Who is dangerous?  Canadians are a danger to themselves, because they are seemingly incapable of running their own affairs without driving themselves off a fiscal cliff.

The Americans can get away with it, but only because they are the global Hegemon and King Dollah rules the world, Canadians are going to find out the hard way, that that privilege does not extend to Canada.

And in fairness to John Tory, contrary to popular sentiment, mayors in Canada actually have no executive authority whatsoever, so there's no such thing as a failed mayor, only a failed city council, since the mayor only has one vote, just like every other councilor.

In American cities, the mayors are executives, in Canada however, it's really more of ceremonial position.

Tory is a  bit of an upper class twit, but he's not a clown like Mel Lastman nor an ideologue like John Sewell, he's milquetoast middle of the road underwhelming to be sure, but calling him dangerous is just silly.

Justin Trudeau on the other hand, could indeed be dangerous, because he has executive authority over national security, intelligence services and criminal law enforcement, and there's really not that much restraining him.  

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On 6/19/2019 at 11:27 AM, Dougie93 said:

Your Doug Ford Derangement Syndrome is laughable, first of all, Ontario desperately needs a fiscal hardliner to come in and make massive cuts to the runaway spending before there is a fiscal crisis and that is imposed on you by bond markets which you have no control over, second, Doug Ford ain't actually that guy, because he's too scared to stand up to the screeching which inevitably comes when you have to do that, so he isn't really doing much at all.

If you start making the cuts now, you can pick and choose what is important and what is really just a frill, if you wait until the bond markets impose cuts on you, everything will be getting cut across the board all at once.

 

Let me know when our politicians are ready to take a pay cut. If they were serious about it, they'd start there.

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4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Let me know when our politicians are ready to take a pay cut. If they were serious about it, they'd start there.

Let me know when the likes of you are ready to give the likes of me the green light to start cutting, there will be no part of government which will not face the ax, I assure you.

The fact of the matter is, I am simply outvoted by those who refuse to limit government in any way at all, I mean,  we can't even touch the Beer Store monopoly thanks to entrenched interest cronies like you.

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