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People talk about the political influence of SNC-Lavalin, but I have maintained that's nothing compared to the Irving family.

So the government has decided to sign a $60 billion deal with the Irvings to buy 15 new frigates for the navy. There's just a few problems. The initial requirements stated the ship had to be a proven design being used by other NATO nations. This one is still on the drawing boards. Also, this design was rejected by the Royal Canadian Navy several years back as unsuitable to Canada's needs.

No matter. We're getting them now. The irvings have commanded, and the Liberals have obeyed.

People are aghast at the Liberals demoting a justice minister who dared to press charges against SNC-Lavalin's criminality, but the Irvings had the chief of the navy fired and arrested for daring to interfere with one of their ongoing lobbying efforts. Now that's power.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/warship-rejected-by-dnd-years-ago-will-now-be-the-backbone-of-canadas-future-navy/wcm/2846e91a-f968-40c6-9450-a9cd4fc172cb

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Meh, non story.   The idea that the Type 26 is suitable for the Royal Navy, and the Royal Australian Navy, but not Canada,  was just made up DND bullshit to start off with.

The real issue is that the RCN is a Lockheed Martin customer, the Type 26 is the Lockheed Martin program, so the navy is just going where Lockheed Martin goes.

The shipbuilder is going to be Irving no matter what, BAE Systems is not actually building the ships, what matters to the navy is keeping the combat management system they are using now, which is  Lockheed Martin.

In terms of modifying the Type 26, Canada will end up with the most capable version, with the Raytheon AN/SPY-6 AMDR, which is the same radar the Americans use for Aegis, allows full CEC with the US Navy, and is missile defense capable.

It will use CMS-330, it's got the Mk.41 VLS, it's got the Mk.45 gun, it's got the Flex Deck, it can fly one Cyclone and store another, and its going to be the same hull used by the British and Australians, Irving is right, it's the right choice for Canada.

The other options were a Dutch design which is less capable and old, from the 90's

Or the French design, which doesn't interoperate well with the Americans, DCNS is vertically integrated, when you buy French you're committing to French systems, and the RCN is committed to the Americans, so going French doesn't make sense.

Canadian procurement is inherently corrupt and incompetent, but in this case they have arrived at the correct answer regardless.

This ship would allow Canada to join the American Aegis Afloat and Ashore global BMD force, it's just a question of adding the missiles to the AMDR.  Even if Canada doesn't buy the missiles, the RCN would still be in the network as an integrated BMD sensor platform.

This ship would allow Canada to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles with the Americans and British.

This ship would allow Canada to deploy a small expeditionary force on the Flex Deck, MTO's and SOA's as required for MCT, or other CANSOF for NEO. The Flex Deck can also carry humanitarian relief packages, as well as mine countermeasures unmanned minesweepers. The Flex Deck is a big deal, it can be used for all sorts of things, it's modular so whatever can go in a seacan can go in the Flex Deck.

This ship allows for launching of boarding teams while underway, launch and recover up to x4 fully loaded 11 meter RHIBs without having to stop the ship while in hot pursuit, again, via the Flex Deck.

This ship allows for a spare helicopter to be carried in case the first one breaks down, one helicopter in front of the other, again using the Flex Deck.

This ship has the best naval gun for all targets, air defence, anti-shipping, or shore bombardment, with the state of the art precision guided rounds and fully automated ammo selector and loading system.

The rest of the weapons platforms are NATO STANAG so Canada can pick whatever ASM's, torpedoes or CIWS, to include just using the ones already in the inventory.

This is the top of the line British warship configured to fully integrate with US Navy Strike Groups, with the British willing to allow it to be built in Canada, there wasn't another option which checked all those boxes.

Edited by Dougie93

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All nice ,but will we ever see them.

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You'll see them.  They'll be late, over budget, and you won't get as many as promised.  Prolly more like 6 of them instead of 12 of them.

Thing is, Canada doesn't actually need 12 surface combatants anyways, the RCN is trying to replace its frigates one for one, but it actually has too many frigates, so getting fewer is not a big deal.

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The 15 surface combatant navy is a Cold War Legacy project, in the event of World War Three Canada would do what it did in World War Two, convoy escort.

Things have changed, Canada is not going to be shipping 1st Canadian Division Mechanized to Europe anymore, because Canada doesn't have 1 Can Div Mech anymore.

In the event of the balloon going up on the Fulda Gap, the RCN's job would have been to get 1 Brigade and 5e Brigade to the Inner German Border by way of landing them at Antwerp.

That's not how the Third World War is going play out in the 21st century.

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Basically, it's a good ship, you're just going to massively overpay for them in order to build them in Bedford Nova Scotia, which is a political choice.

This will result in less ships when they cancel the program early as it goes way over budget.

It will however take Irving twelve years or so to build them, so you are fulfilling the primary purpose, which is defence pork jobs in Halifax into the 2030s

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