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We are all watching, in real time, the death of the Federal Liberal Party. The arguments between Chrétien/Paul Martin, guys like Warren Kinsella/Jean Lapierre getting involved, arguing - that was

Not the death, just a bump in the road but that'll teach them to with a name instead of brains

Not hardly. From what I can gather, Quebecers are largely mystified about what all the fuss is about. OF COURSE a big Quebec company should get special treatment. And all that corruption stuff, meh, t

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Once the Liberals and Knedippers are gone, I will probably be on the left at that point, and then I will have to oppose the nanny prohibitionist conservatives, as they will probably be the only nanny prohibitionists left at that juncture;m

Yeah, same here. 

I didn't leave the left, the left left me.

Once the far-left kooks are eradicated, the nanny state prohibitionist conservatives are next on the chopping block. No enemies on the right, but only until the left wing kooks have been rendered politically irrelevant, then the situation will have changed enough to warrant changing strategies.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yeah, same here, I didn't leave the left, the left left me. Once the far-left kooks are irradicated, the nanny state prohibitionist conservatives are next on the chopping block.

It's not even us, its the American Information Age Revolution which is rendering all nanny state central planning moot, but yeah, the nanny prohibitionist conservatives are likely to be the last of the regime dead enders. 

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10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not even us, its the American Information Age Revolution which is rendering all nanny state central planning moot, but yeah, the nanny prohibitionist conservatives are likely to be the last of the regime dead enders. 

It's either adapt or perish, and the Liberal Party of Canada is in such denial about needing to adapt, that they will perish, and Confederation along with them.

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It's either adapt or perish, and the Liberal Party of Canada is in such denial about needing to adapt, that they will perish, and Confederation along with them.

Ultimately all Westphalian structures will be overthrown, the future is very weird and radically leftist by the standards of 1648.

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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Ultimately all Westphalian structures will be overthrown, the future is very weird and radically leftist by the standards of 1648.

The Liberal Party of Canada, are their own worst enemies, and they don't even know it.

We don't even have to do it for them, they will do it to themselves, despite our warnings.


In fact the more you warn them, the more eager they seem to want to off themselves, expediting the process, oblivious to the consequences of their actions.

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If you went back to 1648  and tried to explain the future to them, they wouldn't get it, there are wires under the sea and somehow people don't need territorial counties anymore, they would be as confused as the Liberal Party of Canada is now, but I think the 1648 people would understand what a species altering epoch was, perhaps more than the Liberals do now.

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For practical purposes. you'd have to explain the future to the 1648 people through the lens of the God of the Hebrews, in that God invented this thing called the internet, so people wouldn't need kings anymore, every man is a mini king in the future, basically.

If you told them that every woman is a mini queen in the future, that would upset them, so best to just leave that part out.

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16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

For practical purposes. you'd have to explain the future to the 1648 people through the lens of the God of the Hebrews, in that God invented this thing called the internet, so people wouldn't need kings anymore, every man is a mini king in the future, basically.

Dougie Knievel in the year 2084, came back to tell 1648 what the future has in store.
Dougie Knievel in the year 2084, gather 'round and hear the man, his latest stor(y).

In The Future.....

 

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The future is now, the only part that is resisting, is our Ancient Greco-Roman past, which can understand public rule, but not a public which consists of all kings, no slaves, that concept is still working its way through the system.

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15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The future is now, the only part that is resisting, is our Ancient Greco-Roman past, which can understand public rule, but not a public which consists of all kings, no slaves, that concept is still working its way through the system.

The shot heard round the world is still echoing out, Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada are simply dominoes further down the chain, that are still to fall.

As Ice Cube says in Boyz In The Hood, "Domino Motherf****rs! Whatchu say about that?"

 

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3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The shot heard round the world is Incstill echoing out, Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada are simply dominoes further down the chain, that are still to fall.

Indeed, the Liberal Party of Canada still adheres to the concept of kings who own slaves, but America will free all the slaves everywhere in the end, whether Canadians like it or not.

Amerikanischer Führer, befreie uns von unseren kanadischen Sklavenmeistern

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Das Americanischer Furher is similar to Hitler, except for the part where he doesn't impose the Jewish-Bolshevik Conspiracy on the vassals,  so much as he enforces individual liberty.

To wit, America is the blitzkrieg, for freedom. The Abrams tank is like a Tiger tank, which makes you do whatever you please whenever you want to, and fuck Saddam Hussein and Justin Trudeau if they don't like it.

For ethno tribal reasons, the Iraqis resisted the Americanischer Furher, but as Canada is not a tribe, there is no reason for us to be that dumb.

If a C-17 arrives with pallets of cash, I'm just saying thanks and taking them, there is no cause to be the fedayeen against America, that is absurd.

It is actually rather difficult to make the Americans bomb you with bombs, King Dollah would much rather bomb you with cash, so let him I say, who doesn't like cash raining from the sky? The Iraqis? Who wants to be them? Literally the dumbest people on earth.

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The polls.

I am anxious to see the numbers. I suspect that they are taking a hit in English Canada: BC, Ontario even the Maritimes.

In Quebec, not yet. But the Liberals will take a tremendous hit in Quebec. Unlike his father, Trudeau Jnr has no base in Quebec.

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When the PMO allows/gets, heck when a Sikh defends their leader in this way, the Liberals are in serious, clueless trouble:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4966891/jodyi-wilson-raybould-snc-lavalin-navdeep-bains/

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Wells had a poll showing that 30% of Canadians had never heard of SNC-Lavalin.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeaus-credibility-gap-on-snc-lavalin/

I suspect that number will change.

After October 1972, Pierre Trudeau famously said "No more philosopher king." Sadly, his son may have inherited his mother's looks but he only inherited his father's name.

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The federal Liberal Party is much more than this. Canada is much more than this.

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6 hours ago, August1991 said:

France did not sell out New France through the "Treaty of Paris".

In fact, there were two treaties: one signed in Fontainebleau, the other in Hubertusburg. The latter far more important at the time but the former now referred to as "Paris".

Such is life that events change relevance. 

 

Well a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.  My point is that by 1763 France traded Quebec for Guadeloupe, Martinique, St. Lucia  and St, Pierre and Michelon.  As long as France got some fishing rights to salmon in Canada and sugar in the Caribbean, Quebecers could eat cake where France was concerned.  They had their hands full with the British Navy. 

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5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not even us, its the American Information Age Revolution which is rendering all nanny state central planning moot, but yeah, the nanny prohibitionist conservatives are likely to be the last of the regime dead enders. 

You guys are going to have your lunches stolen by the coming socialist populism that Bannon predicted and Sanders almost led. 

Canadian Confederation and the Liberal idea of the Just Society mirror the Green New Deal quite well.  I think the real challenge for the Liberals is whether under Trudeau they can reconcile the concerns of the Yellow Vests with their climate change policies and pandering to special interests.  The public may just become impatient and turf the Liberals in the next election.  Of course they won’t disappear.  The Liberals may win as an expression of anger towards the Trumpists, but it’s valid to ask whether the current Liberals under Trudeau are representing Canadians’ interests.  What have they accomplished besides legal pot?

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Not actually, because socialism doesn't work,  any socialist populism will be short lived, won't deliver, will be a train wreck, then the masses will turn on it.

The main threat is not international socialism, it's national socialism, which comes in the wake of the failure of the left, when they over promise and then don't deliver.

The right is not going to be overthrown, because the right isn't running anything, you have the viable level of socialism now, if the apple cart tips, the Nazis will come in its wake.

I don't see that happening though.  The Liberal Party will not die, until Quebec invokes the Clarity Act, but it will be anticlimactic and peaceful.

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Climate change is the greatest threat ever faced by humanity. Minor changes in climate brought down the Roman civilization in Europe, and caused the great famine in Europe in the early 14th century. 

No matter who gets elected this fall, the threat will not go away. If the CPC form the Government, they will still have to take action. It was pointed out in the 1980's that the longer we fail to address the problem, the worse and more expensive it will become. 

The yellow vests are whining about immigration but do not want to tackle global warming. If we don't do what is needed now, we could have 400 million people moving north into Canada when the south becomes uninhabitable. The death of the liberal party pales in comparison to what is coming.

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No government can do anything about an epoch on that scale, not even a world government can stop it, so climate change is moot in a political sense.

According the Climate Scientists, we would have to execute a short notice global forced de-industrialization, trying that would just start a war which would end in a thermonuclear exchange, and that would just accelerate climate change.

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4 hours ago, August1991 said:

The polls.

I am anxious to see the numbers. I suspect that they are taking a hit in English Canada: BC, Ontario even the Maritimes.

In Quebec, not yet. But the Liberals will take a tremendous hit in Quebec. Unlike his father, Trudeau Jnr has no base in Quebec.

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They have taken a hit.   According to a new http://angusreid.org/federal-issues-dec2018/ , 58% now disapprove of Trudeau. Last year at this time, 49% disapproved.   I'm predicting a Liberal minority gov't if they don't get control of this soon.

They also need a fall guy, not sure who it will be because he will never get rid of his university buds he installed in the PMO.

 

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If the Liberal Party were to die, it would be replaced by another liberal Party. It reflects the views of a significant number of voters. When the Reform Party made a hostile take over of the Progressive Conservative party, it lost a portion of the Red Tory base. It took several years for enough Red Tories to drift back into the CPC to enable them to form a majority government. There is a broad band of voters in the centre of the spectrum, call them blue Liberals or Red Tories, that determine who will form a government.

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21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Agreed.  The only way to kill the Liberal Party of Canada, is to kill Canada.   Which can be done, but only from Quebec. Alberta talks a big game, but only Quebec has the horses to vote Canada down.

There’s simply no appetite for that in Quebec right now, especially among Millennials who are the future.  Alberta is relying on Canada to deliver pipelines, which as interprovincial come under federal jurisdiction.  Moreover, the feds bought the Transmountain.  It’s all about whether the need to consult with the special interests, even very small ones, will prevent important infrastructure from being built, such as pipelines, and whether the need for resource jobs in Canada can be reconciled with policies to fight climate change.  This is the big challenge. 

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1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

There’s simply no appetite for that in Quebec right now, especially among Millennials who are the future.  Alberta is relying on Canada to deliver pipelines, which as interprovincial come under federal jurisdiction.  Moreover, the feds bought the Transmountain.  It’s all about whether the need to consult with the special interests, even very small ones, will prevent important infrastructure from being built, such as pipelines, and whether the need for resource jobs in Canada can be reconciled with policies to fight climate change.  This is the big challenge. 

The appetite will return, a combination of displacements are going to rain down on Canada, people will be forced to adapt, Quebec will do what Quebec does, which is blame Canada and have a referendum.

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