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18 hours ago, marcus said:

I gave you substance and information. You gave me nothing. 

Immigrants pay taxes. Immigrants work. Our immigration firm recently brought in 5 foreign workers to work in Canada. They will more than likely become permanent residents in a year or two. They comprise of a computer system analyst from India, a business analyst from Germany, an architect and a civil engineer from Iran and a carpenter from Ireland. You have the wrong understanding of who immigrants are. 

I wish you'd challenge yourself to find out more.

You are not getting my drift at all. Nothing new it seems with you here. The more new immigrants Canada brings into the country the more services it will have to provide. What don't you get here yet? There is one school in Canada with 200 kids in it. Then Canada brings in another 200 new immigrant kids. Now Canada needs to either expand or build another school. More services and infrastructure needed. You and so many others are so hung up on this leftist liberal pro multicultural and pro special interest groups bull shit that Canada needs more new immigrants is a silly ass farce. But I guess that leftist liberal multiculturalists like yourself will never get it. Just keep bringing them on in. Most of the new immigrants will find some work and they will pay some taxes but they will still add more problems for Canada to have to deal with.  Many new immigrants always end up on welfare. A great bonus for host Canadians and Canada, eh? 

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15 hours ago, marcus said:

Someone who wants to work in Canada, unless they have an open work permit due to a special agreement with Canada (usually with European countries and for those who are under 35), the company must file an LMIA or the person must be sponsored by the company through a provincial immigration program. All of these are stepping stones towards permanent residency. It is extremely difficult for someone who cannot speak English to immigrate to Canada. A language test must be done for all economic programs, which bring in majority of immigrants to Canada.

Or just fly to New York, take  a taxi to the border, and tell the guys in the doorman outfits "Yeah, I'm a refugee. Get my bags, will ya. Where's my room?"

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15 hours ago, marcus said:

So far, every person who is against immigration in this thread, has proven that they DO NOT KNOW how immigration works in Canada.

They take their assumptions which are fanned by ignorance and think we have "open borders" or that we have "mass immigration" or that "immigrants go on welfare and are a big burden on our economy."

Used to live across the road from the Heatherington public housing project. it was full of immigrants/refugees. Then the government started paying Minto to keep them in our buildings. The place went to hell fast, lots of shootings, stabbings, arsons, vandalism to cars and to interior furnishings and hallways. Glad I got the hell out of there.

All the street gangs in Canada (except for the natives) are the product of our immigration and refugee system.

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9 hours ago, jacee said:

Why ask when you can look it up yourself?

https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/services/security-screening-for-immigration-and-citizenship-applications.html

Security screening for immigration and citizenship applications

CSIS and CBSA provide security advice to IRCC to make sure applicants are not a threat to national security. 

The 'screening' consists of

1) check to see if the applicant has a criminal record

2) check to see if the applicant is on a list of known terrorists.

That's basically it. Most immigrants are never interviewed by anyone before arrival in Canada.

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5 hours ago, cannuck said:

The "security assessment" is a joke.  It is actually called a "security clearance" and is obtained from authorities in the country of current citizenship.  This is why immigrants use very expensive "immigration consultants" who instruct them what to do, what to say, what to write (usually none of it actually true) and take care of bribing local officials or simply forge the docs on the spot.

There is literally NO control over what is coming into the country, not even a single face-to-face interview.  One of the reasons immigration from culturally similar countries is so preferred (by logical people) is that there is a high likelihood of rule-of-law thus legitimate documentation.  From many third world countries that is 100% impossible.

One of the reasons it's easy to tell that immigration is seen by most on the left as nothing but a large virtue signalling project is their determination to avoid subjecting potential immigrants to any real screening or interviews, as well as their resistance to targeting our immigration recruitment at countries where our own records show the most successful immigrants come from. That is primary Europe and the United States, India and the Philippines. Europe and the US provides the additional benefit of having few cultural issues and virtually no security issues. But if you're going to bring in a million people very three years you have to widen the net as far as possible.

It's worth noting our immigration level was at 84,000 and was tripled by Brian Mulroney specifically to get votes. He was told by the Economic Council of Canada this would do little to help the economy, and might even hurt depending on the mix of immigrants. But his immigration minister convinced cabinet most of the new immigrants would vote for them out of gratitude, especially those from cultures and countries without a tradition of democracy, who didn't quite grasp the different between party and government. This is also why the politicians have been determined to lower the number of years required for residency in Canada before getting citizenship. They want the immigrants voting (for them) as quickly as possible before they lose their sense of gratitude to the party which brought them in.

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11 minutes ago, Argus said:

...it's easy to tell that immigration is seen by most on the left as nothing but a large virtue signalling project 

I appreciate its ability to drive conservatives out of their minds. The father the better.

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6 hours ago, Argus said:

Programs to encourage Canadians to have more kids.

So the men are going to start having babies and raising kids now?

Go for it! 

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So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants.

Figures. 

:wacko:

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16 minutes ago, jacee said:

So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants.

Figures. 

:wacko:

I thought we had shown there was no such problem, that it was all in your mind, and that your fear of Islamophobia is merely the expressed wariness and suspicion Canadians are feeling about the mass immigration of extremely conservative Muslims. 

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1 hour ago, jacee said:

So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants.

Only?  They clearly bash lefties every chance they get.  Aren't we the most responsible for admitting so many immigrants in the first place?

I've been given to understand we're even responsible for climate change.

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15 hours ago, cannuck said:

The "security assessment" is a joke.  It is actually called a "security clearance" and is obtained from authorities in the country of current citizenship.  This is why immigrants use very expensive "immigration consultants" who instruct them what to do, what to say, what to write (usually none of it actually true) and take care of bribing local officials or simply forge the docs on the spot.

I guess we should put you on the list of people who do not know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration.

Besides a local police check, each individual applying to immigrate to Canada receives a background check which goes through numerous lists including interpol, cross referenced with a shared database with the U.S., several European countries, Australia, U.A.E, Saudi Arabia and several other databases. 

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10 hours ago, taxme said:

You are not getting my drift at all. Nothing new it seems with you here. The more new immigrants Canada brings into the country the more services it will have to provide. What don't you get here yet? There is one school in Canada with 200 kids in it. Then Canada brings in another 200 new immigrant kids. Now Canada needs to either expand or build another school. More services and infrastructure needed. 

You have it all wrong. Building infrastructure should not be a burden. Infrastructure has to be updated and improved all the time. It also stimulates economies. Also, we have more and more baby boomers going into retirement and they become a burden to our healthcare system. With the decreasing birthrate, we are not able to pay for their services. When you bring in immigrants in their 20s and early 30s, they end up working and paying taxes to pay for these services.

10 hours ago, taxme said:

You and so many others are so hung up on this leftist liberal pro multicultural and pro special interest groups bull shit that Canada needs more new immigrants is a silly ass farce. But I guess that leftist liberal multiculturalists like yourself will never get it. Just keep bringing them on in. Most of the new immigrants will find some work and they will pay some taxes but they will still add more problems for Canada to have to deal with.  Many new immigrants always end up on welfare. A great bonus for host Canadians and Canada, eh? 

More shallow opinion based on your feelings being shared. Where is the substance? Think, research and learn, instead of these fear based mumble jumble.

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7 hours ago, jacee said:

So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants.

Figures. 

:wacko:

It's funny watching the culture of victimhood and the whining by the far right on this board crying about their fears of terrorism by immigrants while Canada has experienced the recent killings by a far right extremist and the jaw dropping increase in crime committed by the far right.

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

It's funny watching the culture of victimhood and the whining by the far right on this board crying about their fears of terrorism by immigrants while Canada has experienced the recent killings by a far right extremist and the jaw dropping increase in crime committed by the far right.

Same in the US. Violent crimes are committed by white, native born Americans by a far greater proportion than by immigrants. I guess xenophobes are hard wired and will remain so regardless of actual statistics.

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17 hours ago, Realitycheck said:

If it were natural to believe in imaginary beings, children wouldn't have to be taught such foolishness. Furthermore, if there were a god, there'd be only one religion.  

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said

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No one is born except upon natural instinct, then his parents turn him into a Jew or Christian or Magian. As an animal produces their young with perfect limbs, do you see anything defective?

In short, every child is born in a state of fiṭrah, a state of innate goodness while the social environment may cause the individual to drift away from this state, which is a state of natural conformity between human nature and Islam (Submission to God). There has been several non-muslim experts in various fields whose conformed childrens innate belief in God, even popular atheist have admitted that.

Now why so many different religions? People form their beliefs on the amount of data that they have at hand due to various limitations such as environments. This why the Prophet (pbuh) made clear that the normative intuition may be used by a child’s parents to foster incorrect beliefs and that Allah had to send Prophets to remind humanity of the truth. Thus, according to Islam, the amount of available data is a necessary condition towards belief formation.

There are so many different theories on politics, economics, morals etc, but you seem perfectly fine inspecting them all and picking the one you think is true. Only when it comes to God, all of a sudden your brain conveniently shuts down.

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4 hours ago, marcus said:

You have it all wrong. Building infrastructure should not be a burden. Infrastructure has to be updated and improved all the time. It also stimulates economies. 

 

Such a basic point and yet nobody seems to understand.

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1 hour ago, Saudi Monitor said:

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said

In short, every child is born in a state of fiṭrah, a state of innate goodness while the social environment may cause the individual to drift away from this state, which is a state of natural conformity between human nature and Islam (Submission to God). There has been several non-muslim experts in various fields whose conformed childrens innate belief in God, even popular atheist have admitted that.

Now why so many different religions? People form their beliefs on the amount of data that they have at hand due to various limitations such as environments. This why the Prophet (pbuh) made clear that the normative intuition may be used by a child’s parents to foster incorrect beliefs and that Allah had to send Prophets to remind humanity of the truth. Thus, according to Islam, the amount of available data is a necessary condition towards belief formation.

There are so many different theories on politics, economics, morals etc, but you seem perfectly fine inspecting them all and picking the one you think is true. Only when it comes to God, all of a sudden your brain conveniently shuts down.

 

Your son is gay. Now what?

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57 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Such a basic point and yet nobody seems to understand.

 

Least of all you.

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13 hours ago, jacee said:

So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants.

Figures. 

:wacko:

 

Still wife number two, eh?

Ah well, there's always a chance #1 will slip on a banana peel. 

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9 hours ago, marcus said:

You have it all wrong. Building infrastructure should not be a burden. Infrastructure has to be updated and improved all the time. It also stimulates economies. Also, we have more and more baby boomers going into retirement and they become a burden to our healthcare system. With the decreasing birthrate, we are not able to pay for their services. When you bring in immigrants in their 20s and early 30s, they end up working and paying taxes to pay for these services.

More shallow opinion based on your feelings being shared. Where is the substance? Think, research and learn, instead of these fear based mumble jumble.

You better update your econ knowledge. Unless socialism or communism or the economy is so dead that no god can resurrect it, no gov't will use building infrastructure to stimulate economies because it is a burden.

Unless the immigrants are coming in as either slaves or investors and are all neutered, they will have kids and use all kind of services as well . I am not so sure about your point.

I am not pro or con immigration, but your points are so defy logic and common sense

 

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7 hours ago, marcus said:

I guess we should put you on the list of people who do not know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration.

Besides a local police check, each individual applying to immigrate to Canada receives a background check which goes through numerous lists including interpol, cross referenced with a shared database with the U.S., several European countries, Australia, U.A.E, Saudi Arabia and several other databases. 

Just the CSIS and CBSA give security advice to IRCC, you just make it sound so secuity. Actually, it is the same process for all applications (immigraiton,. refugee, working permit, study permit, visa .....)

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7 hours ago, marcus said:

It's funny watching the culture of victimhood and the whining by the far right on this board crying about their fears of terrorism by immigrants while Canada has experienced the recent killings by a far right extremist and the jaw dropping increase in crime committed by the far right.

I think y ou are the frist one linking victimhood  to the far right in the world :o

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7 hours ago, marcus said:

I guess we should put you on the list of people who do not know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration.

Besides a local police check, each individual applying to immigrate to Canada receives a background check which goes through numerous lists including interpol, cross referenced with a shared database with the U.S., several European countries, Australia, U.A.E, Saudi Arabia and several other databases. 

In fairness to you all your descriptions about Immigration law are 100% accurate. There is a loophole allowing illegal migrants from the US to claim refugee status right now. Most will be rejected as refugees on the grounds they came from a safe third country that they should have made their refugee claim in. Then at that point they are supposed to be deported. People can go on to the Immigration site to see the rate of deportations and to which countries. I believe it is averaging right now 35 people a day. The problem is many disappear and can not be deported.

Other than that loophole which is probably responsible for anywhere from 20-40 thousand migrants coming in taking advantage of that huge loophole and people claiming refugee status who are not, which are both yes serious issues, can we be fair. The vast majority of immigrant prospects coming to Canada are going through many rules and regulations and judged on whether they have skills and language ability. It is not easy as some think. There is also a bad tendency to lump legitimate immigrant prospects who are doing the right thing and come to Canada following all the rules and then working with these  others taking advantage of loopholes.

I think immigration bashing is irrational and does not lend itself to proper discussion as to the true defficiencies in the immigration process. Illegitimate entrants give legitimate immigrants a bad name and as much as I detest what Marcus stands for when he makes legitimate points I have to defend them and show deference to them. Fair is fair.

I also think Taxme has zero credibility on this issue. He has made it clear he is a white supremacist or what many of us call a neo-Nazi.  Ironically many immigrants who come to this country who are as pink as Taxme came to get away from people like him and want nothing to do with what he stands for.

This country with the exception of aboriginals is immigrants so I think unless you are aboriginal posing as someone who does not want immigrants is a joke.

I totally disagree with Trudeau's policies on Immigration law. He has undermined the system by allowing a ridiculous loophole. I detest how he used Syrian refugees as props for a photo op and went running to do a photoop crying at a fire in Halifax with  Syrian refugees. He is in many ways as dispicable as any out and out racist. He uses immigrants to get votes. He panders.

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, egghead said:

Just the CSIS and CBSA give security advice to IRCC, you just make it sound so secuity. Actually, it is the same process for all applications (immigraiton,. refugee, working permit, study permit, visa .....)

100% correct. I only say this as well because people know I teach Immigration and Global Trade Law and worked in that area as a lawyer among other friggin jobs so when you are right its imp. I say so. People can look it up as well on the Immigration site. You and Marcus are very accurate in  your comments although have of course different opinions.

When you guys get the law right, its imp. to back you up.

 

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9 hours ago, marcus said:

I guess we should put you on the list of people who do not know what they're talking about when it comes to immigration.

Besides a local police check, each individual applying to immigrate to Canada receives a background check which goes through numerous lists including interpol, cross referenced with a shared database with the U.S., several European countries, Australia, U.A.E, Saudi Arabia and several other databases. 

Perhaps we should put you on the list of those incredibly naive who have no knowledge or experience with third world officialdom and immigration consultants.  You can check all of the lists in the world but they do you no good if you have the wrong name.   Part of the game.

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