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I wonder about this.

The Chinese language/culture has existed for about 5000 years.

The Islam religion, about 1300 years.

Our DNA has existed for much longer.

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What is sustainable?

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7 hours ago, August1991 said:

What is sustainable?

Organizational ideas such as religions/nations are at odds with our DNA, so DNA wins. 

But survivalism itself is not sustainable any more:

we're not starving - too much food is a bigger problem than not enough
nations are more integrated than ever, and war is unaffordable and an anachronism
population is declining

We are going to have to face the existential crisis that we have succeeded as a race; we have graduated beyond being clever apes

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

We are going to have to face the existential crisis that we have succeeded as a race; we have graduated beyond being clever apes

Disagree. Many of those problems can be solved.

War can be made affordable again.

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21 hours ago, August1991 said:

I wonder about this.

The Chinese language/culture has existed for about 5000 years.

The Islam religion, about 1300 years.

Our DNA has existed for much longer.

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What is sustainable?

Those places, cultures existed for so long because they are able to defend themselves militarily. Whatever can defend itself is sustainable.

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On 3/28/2019 at 9:43 PM, OftenWrong said:

Those places, cultures existed for so long because they are able to defend themselves militarily. Whatever can defend itself is sustainable.

I'm not certain that Islam or China have existed for so long because of military strength.

[An aside: Abroad in Spain one time, I argued like you with a friend that the West was right because we had strength. I always felt uncomfortable with that argument.]

Islam has existed unchanged in part because the Koran was written at a time when it was possible to maintain a written record. Unlike Hindus, Jews, Christians or Buddhists, Muslims can argue that the Koran is the exact word of God as stated about 1300 years ago. (Admittedly, this is both a blessing and a curse.)

China? The Chinese language has surely changed in the past 5000 years and Chinese culture too. Think only of Confucianism. But certain basic Chinese characters - like the word for number one in English - have roots millenia ago. But unlike the Europeans, the Chinese have a point: no Briton today could identify in any meaningful way with someone alive at the time of Stonehenge. Or a French person alive now with a Carnac stone/monolith. 

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Anyway, in my OP,  I was thinking of something else: the US Constitution is a remarkable document. It is almost 250 years old and unlike Chinese culture/language, it is clearly stated. But unlike the Koran, it can be amended.

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On 3/28/2019 at 6:14 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Life is becoming more expensive... see the price of insurance.

Can you buy insurance for war protection? 

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WestCanMan,

I strongly disagree.

I have no problem with a President Ocasio-Cortez. We have had a President Trump.

The US Constitution can likely survive both - even a civil war.

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The question is whether the US Constitution will survive longer than the Chinese language or the Orthodox Christian religion or the written-word of God, the Koran.

So far, it has lasted longer than the Soviet Union.

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Compared to the Koran and the supposed "word of God" from 1300 years ago, I reckon the 300 year old US Constitution will survive longer,

First, the US Constitution makes no claim to being the "word of God".

Second, the US Constitution can be amended - heck, it was amended at its origin.

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Maybe I'm wrong.  

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The first 10 or so amendments to the US federal constitution were important, set a precedent of change.

Some 100 years later, the 13/14/15 amendments were a remarkable change. It possibly made the US Constitution a true document.

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I feel like a law teacher, setting an exam:

To have a civilised society, what is best?

a) a single clear written document, subject to amendment

b) many various documents, subject to opinion  

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