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The concept of people being born unequally goes against the western ideals of equality of human being. Given the history based on the notions of fake science and discrimination against under privileged communities, the subject directly feeds into the political landscape and the tensions between the right wing and the left wing.i

Scientifically speaking, however, IQ is an inherited trait to some extent. Researchers have concluded that adopted children have their IQ more correlated with their biological parents than the adoptive parents. Not only that, as adopted children grow older, the correlation of IQ with the IQ of biological parents becomes even more stronger.h

This is counter intuitive. Robert Plomin, the lead researcher of this study explains: " People assume that genes impact is by the time of birth. After that nature takes over nurture, hence the impact of genetics becomes less important. This is basically exactly opposite to what the study says."T

he outcome of this study is been vetted by hundred of other similar studies who claim that about half of difference in IQ is genetic

The conclusive studies to connect IQ with genetics have proven quite difficult. However, with the availability of more compute and scope of broader studies have led researchers to identify some genetic connections with IQ. Problem is that IQ is derived from roughly 500 different genes, so each identified gene has a miniscule impact on overall IQ. That being said, while researchers were able to identify only 1% of variance in IQ a few years ago, today the number stands at 10%.

just to be clear, genes aren't destiny. Genes provide us the limits. Environment defines where we will end up between these limits. One less controversial example is height. Although, genes define the height, lack of nutrition can results in less heights for the population with similar genes. It has been thoroughly observed that as the economy of a country grow, so does the height of its population. Similarly, while IQ is a genetic trait, lack of Iodine on food results in lower IQ of children  Many developing countries have resolved this problem whilev promoting Iodized salt among their population. Similarly, Treating parasitic worms and reducing lead from petroleum has also helped countries increase the IQ. 

and another similar article: https://www.testkidsiq.com/scientific-racism/

 
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If some kind of dogs are more intelligence from some other kind of dogs, we can say the same thing for human beings too. Some human families are more clever than others. For example Asians. (not telling that because of I am a Turk, so a central Asian, this is a fact)

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7 hours ago, Altai said:

If some kind of dogs are more intelligence from some other kind of dogs, we can say the same thing for human beings too. Some human families are more clever than others. For example Asians. (not telling that because of I am a Turk, so a central Asian, this is a fact)

The most intelligent dogs seem to be crossbreeds.  Mongrels.

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10 hours ago, bcsapper said:

The most intelligent dogs seem to be crossbreeds.  Mongrels.

Larger dog breeds are more idiotic in general. Same thing goes for larger human breeds. Western people are bigger and more idiotic.

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7 hours ago, Altai said:

Larger dog breeds are more idiotic in general. Same thing goes for larger human breeds. Western people are bigger and more idiotic.

I had a Border Collie/English Sheepdog cross that was smarter than you.  He was fairly big.

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1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I had a Border Collie/English Sheepdog cross that was smarter than you.  He was fairly big.


You have to be more intelligent than both or have to be equal to the more intelligent one, to be able to compare two intelligence with each other. You dont seem like more intelligent than me or than a border collie. You can disprove my point if you can fulfill my commands, sit, lie down, play dead. Take a video and prove yourself to us.

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On 3/29/2019 at 6:45 AM, Charlie said:

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Scientifically speaking, however, IQ is an inherited trait to some extent. Researchers have concluded that adopted children have their IQ more correlated with their biological parents than the adoptive parents. Not only that, as adopted children grow older, the correlation of IQ with the IQ of biological parents becomes even more stronger.

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... just to be clear, genes aren't destiny. Genes provide us the limits....

Huh?

Blue eyes date from about about 15,000 years. Given 3 births every 100 years, that's about 450,000 sexual relations -freely chosen or not.

Bear in mind that anyone alive today, survived all these various relations.

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How many US presidents have blue eyes? Hollywood stars?

Canadian Prime Ministers.

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On 3/29/2019 at 6:45 AM, Charlie said:

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Scientifically speaking, however, IQ is an inherited trait to some extent. Researchers have concluded that adopted children have their IQ more correlated with their biological parents than the adoptive parents. Not only that, as adopted children grow older, the correlation of IQ with the IQ of biological parents becomes even more stronger.

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Imagine that.

True, my ancestors were largely illiterate. I checked.

And yet, I can write this to you.

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4 hours ago, August1991 said:

BC, taxme, 

No dog alive today is natural.

 

I wonder if taxme would ever like a brown or black dog though ?  I had a gay dog once, or maybe he was asexual.  People who hate people hate themselves.  This is a comedy show and even the smartest man in history could fall prey to a huckster on a bad day.  I actually have an anecdote about Einstein like this.

The human personality is putty for its environment.  Science and eugenics are subservient to our wisdom about how people adapt and socialize.  

 

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7 hours ago, August1991 said:

No dog alive today is natural.

There are still a few "natural" dogs in the world.  An example is the Africanis which, while it has specialized according to natural habitat, has not been changed by humans.   Village/pariah dogs are also natural, in that they developed over thousands of years with minimal interference from humans.  I have a pariah type dog; his genetics made him naturally cautious, very athletic and smart. While caution is a natural trait of his type, he takes it to extremes, which has been demonstrated to be a result of a lack of nutrition prior to birth, a very likely possibility given his history.  He can learn a trick in about five minutes, remember it for years, but his independent streak means he may or may not repeat on command.   Dogs are pretty interesting, imo. 

To the topic at hand, IQ is affected by so many factors that I don't think it can yet be adequately explained by genes, or by nature vs. nurture.  

 

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On 4/29/2019 at 10:58 PM, August1991 said:

BC, taxme,

You both understand that humans/people have created "dogs" -through GMO.

No dog alive today is natural.

 

Wolves fall under the category of dogs. Are wolves not the natural dog?  Just asking. 

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On 4/30/2019 at 3:52 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I wonder if taxme would ever like a brown or black dog though ?  I had a gay dog once, or maybe he was asexual.  People who hate people hate themselves.  This is a comedy show and even the smartest man in history could fall prey to a huckster on a bad day.  I actually have an anecdote about Einstein like this.

The human personality is putty for its environment.  Science and eugenics are subservient to our wisdom about how people adapt and socialize.  

 

I once bought a Pekanese brown dog. When I brought him home, I spray painted him with white paint right away. He licked and thanked me for doing so. Whenever I took him for a walk, all those white and brown female dogs wanted to have sex with him. I guess that they must have liked his white fur color. LOL. People who hate other people hate themselves. I will not mention any names here. There are just some people in this country that seem to find racism in everything some white person says or does. These people have a racist problem, and no doubt their racism is always towards white people. They never seem to criticize any other race but the white race. They really do appear to suffer from WDS(white derangement syndrome). Just saying. 

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On 3/29/2019 at 6:45 AM, Charlie said:

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Scientifically speaking, however, IQ is an inherited trait to some extent. Researchers have concluded that adopted children have their IQ more correlated with their biological parents than the adoptive parents. Not only that, as adopted children grow older, the correlation of IQ with the IQ of biological parents becomes even more stronger.h

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Make no mistake: Any baby born 100,000 years ago -magically brought to the present- could easily use this keyboard, and chat as I am doing now.

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In 100,000 years, what has changed is superficial differences. Evolution is a curious process. 

 

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8 hours ago, August1991 said:

1. Make no mistake: Any baby born 100,000 years ago -magically brought to the present- could easily use this keyboard, and chat as I am doing now.

2. In 100,000 years, what has changed is superficial differences. Evolution is a curious process. 

 

1.  Really ?  My modern baby can't do that !  What a piece of crap he is.

2. Human culture, though, has pretty much been harnessed to improve on what nature gives us.  We know enough not to eat sugar all day long, to kill people, and to worship God.

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The link between race and intelligence is fairly well-established, even if it makes some people queasy to talk about.

Blacks have lower IQs than Hispanics, who have lower IQs than whites, who have lower IQs than Asians and a certain kind of Jew (the name escapes me and I couldn't be bothered to look it up).  That's on average, of course. It doesn't stop individual blacks having extremely high intelligence or individual Asians being dumb as a post. If anyone really wants to argue I'm sure I can find a few links.

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On 5/2/2019 at 6:54 AM, Michael Hardner said:

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1.  Really ?  My modern baby can't do that !  What a piece of crap he is.

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Give your baby a few months. Boy? He'll be moving buttons on a phone before he's out of pull-ups.

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On 5/2/2019 at 6:35 PM, Argus said:

The link between race and intelligence is fairly well-established, even if it makes some people queasy to talk about.

Blacks have lower IQs than Hispanics, who have lower IQs than whites, who have lower IQs than Asians and a certain kind of Jew (the name escapes me and I couldn't be bothered to look it up).  That's on average, of course. It doesn't stop individual blacks having extremely high intelligence or individual Asians being dumb as a post. If anyone really wants to argue I'm sure I can find a few links.

Argus, I strongly disagree.

Let me repeat:

Individual, superficial differences have changed in the past 100,000 years or so. I reckon that any random child born 100,000 years ago, brought to the present, could use a keyboard as I am doing now.

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Here's a thought for you, Argus: Everyone alive today (including you, Argus) has a parent/someone who was alive when the Pyramids were built some 4,000 years ago. What did all those people, men/women, what did they do to survive?

 

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