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6 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

^^ Nailed it! ^^

Quebec's undeveloped resources  . . . while the rest of Canada develops/depletes theirs and pays Quebec because they claim they're a 'have not province' .

Quebec contributes nothing to this country, expects everything, and still bitches about it. A parasitic situation.

Am I a western separatist ?  Yes!

Manitoba/Ontario border west to the coast. Eastern seaport at Churchill . . . Fuel and food are ours.

There was once a guy named Doug Christie who once had a party called the Western Concept Party. Christie tried for several decades to try and get westerners to get off their asses and go for western separation. And what did Doug get for all those years? Sweet nothing. He failed but not from a lack of trying. Doug eventually died from cancer. No doubt got his cancer from years of trying to get away from the eastern batards. 

Quebec indeed has been a leech on the rest of Canada, and has controlled Canadian politics for umpteen years now, and for the life of me, I can never understand as to why the west continually puts up with french eastern bull chit. Alberta was the biggest loser in confederation handing over hundreds of billions of their tax dollars to Ontario and broke and separatist Quebec where English has been pretty much outlawed. And what does our Anglophone politicians out west have to say about that? Again, sweet f all. I doubt western separatism will ever happen because there are just too many westerners who enjoy their daily kick in the ass from the easterners, especially from Quebec. Westerners are truly suckers for punishment, and you and me must pay for it. So bloody sad indeed.  

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On 4/30/2019 at 12:10 AM, taxme said:

I know what you mean. English Canada has been getting ripped off by Quebec for umpteen decades now, and thanks to our Anglophone politicians, they want Quebec to stay by bribing Quebec with more Anglophone taxes. I would love to see western separation but that is a pipe dream for me as there are too many westerners who seem to love handing plenty of their tax dollars over to Quebec to stay. The western people are truly a bunch of born every minute suckers. Quebec laughs in their faces and they go along with the laugh and laugh along with them and keep taking their insults. But we all should know by now that if Quebec did separate it would become a basket case and they would probably come running to western Canada for aod and assistance and money. French Quebec has done nothing for Canada except to try and suck the life out of Canada and break it all up and turn it into a shit hole country. Just my opinion, of course. 

You can wine as much as you want we (Quebecers) are as much Canadian as the other provinces. We are here to stay.  In fact we were part of the founders of this country long before Alberta joined. 

Without Quebec, Canada will be similar to our obnoxious southern neighbour. Now to think of it, this is probably what you want. If that is the case please join the the States and do not let the door hit you on your way out. 

A proud french Canadian 

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14 minutes ago, Olijam said:

You can wine as much as you want we (Quebecers) are as much Canadian as the other provinces. We are here to stay.  In fact we were part of the founders of this country long before Alberta joined. 

Without Quebec, Canada will be similar to our obnoxious southern neighbour. Now to think of it, this is probably what you want. If that is the case please join the the States and do not let the door hit you on your way out. 

A proud french Canadian 

Please jog my memory . . . . 

What does Quebec actually contribute to the conglomerate we call Canada ?

Someone from Quebec calling our US neighbor 'obnoxious' . . . . . surely you jest.

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34 minutes ago, Olijam said:

You can wine as much as you want we (Quebecers) are as much Canadian as the other provinces. We are here to stay.  In fact we were part of the founders of this country long before Alberta joined. 

Without Quebec, Canada will be similar to our obnoxious southern neighbour. Now to think of it, this is probably what you want. If that is the case please join the the States and do not let the door hit you on your way out. 

A proud french Canadian 

Quebec is the first and will be the last bastion of real Canada. As I said to my wife the other day,
"Dear, we may have to learn to speak french!" 

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14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Quebec is the first and will be the last bastion of real Canada. As I said to my wife the other day,
"Dear, we may have to learn to speak french!" 

Thank you!! I couldn't have said it better :)

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41 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Please jog my memory . . . . 

What does Quebec actually contribute to the conglomerate we call Canada ?

Someone from Quebec calling our US neighbor 'obnoxious' . . . . . surely you jest.

It contributes with sophistication, class, la belle province & joie de vivre.. Not to forget the history with its oldest North American cities, its bilingual culture.. And... And... wait for it.. of course the most Stanley Cups :)

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1 hour ago, Olijam said:

 Not to forget the history with . . . . . . . 

Allow me to finish your sentence.

'the shit-kickin' we took on the Plains of Abraham . . . . . B)

As for Quebec's contribution to Canada . . . . . butter,  Celine Dion,  there may be other necessary products . . . they just don't come to mind at the moment. 

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6 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

As for Quebec's contribution to Canada . . . . . butter,  Celine Dion,  there may be other necessary products . . . they just don't come to mind at the moment. 

Poutine is a contribution not only to Canada, but to the entire world.

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4 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Allow me to finish your sentence.

'the shit-kickin' we took on the Plains of Abraham . . . . . B)

As for Quebec's contribution to Canada . . . . . butter,  Celine Dion,  there may be other necessary products . . . they just don't come to mind at the moment. 

Here is another necessary product? They were allowed to export and shove french down our English throats. Celine Dion only cares about kweebec. She despises English Canada. 

The British kicked the asses of the french and defeated the french on the Plains of Abraham. Although, thanks to the Anglophone traitor politicians in da attawa, Canadian history has been reversed and now Canadian history tells us that the battle ended up in a draw. No one won the battle. 

Pretty much Canada has been run by french men from kweebec for what seems like an eternity. And what have those liberal and socialist french men done that was great for Canada? All I can think about is sweet dik all. What the french did give English Canada was multiculturalism, bilingualism for the rest of Canada, metric, hundreds of billions of our English Canadian tax dollars thrown away on foreign aid to the rest of the world, massive third world immigration, and same sex marriage is what the french gave the rest of English Canada, and because of it, English Canada is in hundreds of billions of dollars in debt. Quebec has never contributed one dam dime to the rest of English Canada, but they sure as hell did take whatever they could suck out of the rest of English Canada. And what is really sad about it all is that our own Anglophone politicians helped them to do and get away with it the bloody bunch of Anglophone batards. The french sure has ripped off Alberta the most big time. If any one needs to separate from Canada, it is Alberta. And who could ever blame them for leaving Canada after what the french have done to that once great province. French controlled Attawa has stolen over, it is said, over 600 billion dollars from Albertans over the past several decades. Disgusting.  

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5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Poutine is a contribution not only to Canada, but to the entire world.

That is the only thing I like that comes from kweebec. Plus their steamed hot dogs taste great. But that is about it. :D

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4 hours ago, taxme said:

Here is another necessary product? They were allowed to export and shove french down our English throats. Celine Dion only cares about kweebec. She despises English Canada. 

The British kicked the asses of the french and defeated the french on the Plains of Abraham. Although, thanks to the Anglophone traitor politicians in da attawa, Canadian history has been reversed and now Canadian history tells us that the battle ended up in a draw. No one won the battle. 

Pretty much Canada has been run by french men from kweebec for what seems like an eternity. And what have those liberal and socialist french men done that was great for Canada? All I can think about is sweet dik all. What the french did give English Canada was multiculturalism, bilingualism for the rest of Canada, metric, hundreds of billions of our English Canadian tax dollars thrown away on foreign aid to the rest of the world, massive third world immigration, and same sex marriage is what the french gave the rest of English Canada, and because of it, English Canada is in hundreds of billions of dollars in debt. Quebec has never contributed one dam dime to the rest of English Canada, but they sure as hell did take whatever they could suck out of the rest of English Canada. And what is really sad about it all is that our own Anglophone politicians helped them to do and get away with it the bloody bunch of Anglophone batards. The french sure has ripped off Alberta the most big time. If any one needs to separate from Canada, it is Alberta. And who could ever blame them for leaving Canada after what the french have done to that once great province. French controlled Attawa has stolen over, it is said, over 600 billion dollars from Albertans over the past several decades. Disgusting.  

I think we diverted enough from the original 'Don't vote for Bernier' topic. I will end it here.. 

It is obvious that you are angry with us for some perceived things your politicians have planted in your head. 

Like I said I am a proud French Canadian, but some of my best friends are from English Canada. I do not have any beef with you. Let us try to work together instead of bickering 

To come back to the original topic. I am not going to vote for Bernier, and I do not think he will split the conservative votes as all signs show that it is a landslide win for them. I blame this fiasco on the liberals themselves (I am a longtime Liberal) . If they had a strong candidate in the same category of Jean Chretien representing them, no way somebody like Sheer would win.

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12 hours ago, Olijam said:

You can wine as much as you want we (Quebecers) are as much Canadian as the other provinces.

Quebec sure does not act like they want to be part of Canada or even be called Canadians.

12 hours ago, Olijam said:

We are here to stay.  In fact we were part of the founders of this country long before Alberta joined. 

So why was there several attempts at separation?

12 hours ago, Olijam said:

Without Quebec, Canada will be similar to our obnoxious southern neighbour. Now to think of it, this is probably what you want. If that is the case please join the the States and do not let the door hit you on your way out. 

A proud french Canadian 

So why was there several attempts at separation?

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5 hours ago, taxme said:

That is the only thing I like that comes from kweebec. Plus their steamed hot dogs taste great. But that is about it. :D

Say what you will but the Quebecers know how to look after their own. They don't like people like you and me. Good.

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1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Quebec sure does not act like they want to be part of Canada or even be called Canadians.

So why was there several attempts at separation?

So why was there several attempts at separation?

The Quebec separatist movement that I personally do not agree with was strong in the 80s and 90s. It was defeated fair and square in the latest provincial election. The PQ is now a pale excuse for a party. 

The Quebecers who wanted to seperate felt alienated by the rest of Canada (much like the Albertans are feeling right now). I insist on the word felt, because it was a perception they had that they were badly treated, and the separatist politicians contributed to that perception. The French language issue was used as an excuse to want to seperate. Than you have some people from other provinces who did not help (much like what is happening in forums now, and especially during the Harper era), and accused Québécois of taking advantage of rest of Canada. This exasperated the sepratist and gave them ammunition to rally the troops. 

Thank God there are a lot like me who believe in Canada. I love this country from East to West.. Every province have something to offer. Call me utopist, but I think if we put our differences aside and work for Canada we could build something amazing. I do not care if it is the Liberals or the Conservative in power as long as we have somebody who works for all Candians no matter what their language is. 

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4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:
4 hours ago, Olijam said:

Thank God there are a lot like me who believe in Canada. I love this country from East to West.. Every province have something to offer. Call me utopist, but I think if we put our differences aside and work for Canada we could build something amazing. I do not care if it is the Liberals or the Conservative in power as long as we have somebody who works for all Canadians no matter what their language is. 

 

Olijam . . . there are many folks that 'believe in Canada' . . . 

That said, there are many folks in the west that see that the present form Confederation is not workable anymore. The old thinking that 'the rest of Canada' are just colonies of Ontario & Quebec is the stumbling block. Quebec, for the most part still has the mindset of 1760 . . . . has never contributed to make Canada a Canada for everyone. 

Apologies to OftenWrong . . . . I didn't know how to clear your name off of the top of this post. 

 

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45 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Olijam . . . there are many folks that 'believe in Canada' . . . 

That said, there are many folks in the west that see that the present form Confederation is not workable anymore. The old thinking that 'the rest of Canada' are just colonies of Ontario & Quebec is the stumbling block. Quebec, for the most part still has the mindset of 1760 . . . . has never contributed to make Canada a Canada for everyone. 

Apologies to OftenWrong . . . . I didn't know how to clear your name off of the top of this post. 

 

Nefarious Banana, let us agree to disagree... Most probably the reality lies between what you think and what I think. We tend to easily believe what we have been told by our leaders or the news. 

I do not see Quebec treating other provinces as colonies. We, as Quebecers, certainly felt alienated during Harper's era where preferential treatment went to Western provinces... That could be a perception that we had, like the one you are having now against us. 

What aggravated this tension between Alberta and Quebec is most probably the pipeline project that most Quebecers do not want (seperatist and federalist combined).  You are focused on the benefits that it will bring to Alberta and we are focused on not wanting any risk of spillage polute our beautiful province. We are both fighting for the benefits of our Province. If the roles were reversed we would have taken easily the position of the other. 

 

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7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Say what you will but the Quebecers know how to look after their own. They don't like people like you and me. Good.

It's too bad that the Anglophones in this country do not think about themselves first and try to look after their own first like the french do. Many Anglophones appear to be against their own people. Even when someone like me tries to say that I am proud of my Anglophone heritage, culture and traditions, I get called a racist. That is not so "good". 

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9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Bernier's chief contribution will be to force Scheer to add crackpot policies to his agenda which will either be ignored if he wins, or make him lose.

It is for sure that Bernier will try to stop the leftist liberal communist programs and agendas that are destroying this once great nation. Bernier is a conservative. Scheer is not. Scheer is to liberal and to politically correct. If Scheer were a real conservative he would be attacking all those leftist liberal communist policies that have been destroying this country.

The crackpot policies that we have in place today in Canada are nothing more than leftist liberal communist crackpot policies. Bernier would change many of them, especially this immigration policy fiasco that is going on in Canada. The amount of massive non-western immigration into this country will destroy this country if there is no moratorium put on it soon.

Our social and medical systems are going bankrupt. We have traffic gridlock and more garbage, an environmental disaster, for the landfills, and the conservatives will never try to do anything about it. Just try to create more laws and more taxes to try and solve the problem which will never work. But what do you care, eh? :unsure:

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9 hours ago, Olijam said:

I think we diverted enough from the original 'Don't vote for Bernier' topic. I will end it here.. 

It is obvious that you are angry with us for some perceived things your politicians have planted in your head. 

Like I said I am a proud French Canadian, but some of my best friends are from English Canada. I do not have any beef with you. Let us try to work together instead of bickering 

To come back to the original topic. I am not going to vote for Bernier, and I do not think he will split the conservative votes as all signs show that it is a landslide win for them. I blame this fiasco on the liberals themselves (I am a longtime Liberal) . If they had a strong candidate in the same category of Jean Chretien representing them, no way somebody like Sheer would win.

Sometimes these things happen. It's not intentional, it just happens. But, as Nefarious said, Quebec cannot seem to try and get away from the 1760's mindset just like so many other minorities who seem to have that same problem with their past grievences against WASP Canada. Quebec declaring itself a unilingual french speaking province does not help either. It says to the Anglophones in Quebec that your English language and culture is not needed or wanted here. Maybe Bernier can change all of that as he appears to be the only party leader out there that is willing to take on liberalism and socialism. Bernier is the only leader that we have that comes close to Trump. 

 

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10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Bernier's chief contribution will be to force Scheer to add crackpot policies to his agenda which will either be ignored if he wins, or make him lose.

Glad to see your still being objective Michael …I guess for the most part the majority of Canadians are not ready for some of Bernie's ideas, never will be...I'd say that a good portion of them really don't give squat to who really wins or governs....a large majority won't even get out to vote. And those that do come out and vote, ,most of them are voting for parties they have always voted for....not because of whats on the platform, or campaign promises , or god forbid what is good for the country........ But because they have always been red, blue, green, orange....Now that is a crack pot idea...I mean lets be honest, how many crack heads voted Justin , he was clearly not leadership material, he has failed so many ways it's no longer a joke, but a sad tail of desperate Canadians will to grasp at anything, currently good looking and good hair, is a popular leadership trait....who knew. 

Andrews campaign results are leading in the polls because of the same mentality of Canadians voters....remember the anybody but harper ….only now it's anybody but Justin....another sound voting strategy....

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10 hours ago, Olijam said:

I think we diverted enough from the original 'Don't vote for Bernier' topic. I will end it here.. 

It is obvious that you are angry with us for some perceived things your politicians have planted in your head. 

Like I said I am a proud French Canadian, but some of my best friends are from English Canada. I do not have any beef with you. Let us try to work together instead of bickering 

To come back to the original topic. I am not going to vote for Bernier, and I do not think he will split the conservative votes as all signs show that it is a landslide win for them. I blame this fiasco on the liberals themselves (I am a longtime Liberal) . If they had a strong candidate in the same category of Jean Chretien representing them, no way somebody like Sheer would win.

You had me until you mentioned being a liberal, and of course Jean Chretien, in the same sentence as strong candidate.

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

It's too bad that the Anglophones in this country do not think about themselves first and try to look after their own first like the french do. Many Anglophones appear to be against their own people. Even when someone like me tries to say that I am proud of my Anglophone heritage, culture and traditions, I get called a racist. That is not so "good". 

Yep, you nailed it there, fella!

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

You had me until you mentioned being a liberal, and of course Jean Chretien, in the same sentence as strong candidate.

I am sorry to disappoint you Amy. Yes I am a long time liberal, but I am not voting for them in the next elections. I have explained why in another Forum topic :

 

That does not mean that I will vote for the Conservatives either (as well explained in the above forum.) 

As for Jean Chretien, you might not like him, but still he was a strong leader. In fact he is rated higher than Harper (Chrétien en 7th and Harper 10th) in the  Maclean's Long-term Canadian Prime Minister 2016 list. 

 

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