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Canadians would benefit from having several more political parties to choose from. There should be multiple shades on the left and right. I think it would benefit to spread political power around much more. No more majorities, they simply cannot be trusted with such power. The government will always seek ways to circumvent any controls that place limits on their power, and this is even more problematic when they have a majority. Just take a look right now. So what Mr. Bernier is doing is important if it can get enough support to have an impact. 

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Irregardless of what party was in power in the past, as a Canadian citizen, you knew that the country would be relatively undamaged at the end of the ruling party's term.

Pick any past leader . . . Harper, Chretien, Lester B, etc.,  you knew that they had the best interests of this country at heart.  You may have been pissed with some policies and programs, but Canada would be a functioning entity in the end.

The 'entitled clown' residing at 24 Sussex Drive has changed all that . . . . we are seeing this country cleaved apart on racial, economic, and regional lines. You're seeing a fool at the helm steer this country into the rocks. Damage done that will take decades to undo.  

At the moment, Andrew Scheer is the best option . . . . 

 

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19 hours ago, Olijam said:

I am sorry to disappoint you Amy. Yes I am a long time liberal, but I am not voting for them in the next elections. I have explained why in another Forum topic :

 

That does not mean that I will vote for the Conservatives either (as well explained in the above forum.) 

As for Jean Chretien, you might not like him, but still he was a strong leader. In fact he is rated higher than Harper (Chrétien en 7th and Harper 10th) in the  Maclean's Long-term Canadian Prime Minister 2016 list. 

 

Why wouldn't Maclean's not give Chretien a higher rating than Harper. Maclean's is a leftist liberal magazine and of course they are going to say that Chretien was better than conservative Harper. I would expect nothing less from them. It's pretty hard to try and find a real and true conservative magazine here in Canada today. They are all pretty much pro leftist liberal. :(

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19 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Canadians would benefit from having several more political parties to choose from. There should be multiple shades on the left and right. I think it would benefit to spread political power around much more. No more majorities, they simply cannot be trusted with such power. The government will always seek ways to circumvent any controls that place limits on their power, and this is even more problematic when they have a majority. Just take a look right now. So what Mr. Bernier is doing is important if it can get enough support to have an impact. 

Maxine Bernier is doing quite well these days. Right now he is the man for the job of PM of Canada. What does anybody have to loose by voting for him and his party anyway? if he is just like the rest, well, no big deal. It will just be typical politics as usual in Canada, as it always has been, and that is to screw "we the people" over and over again. Just my opinion. 

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17 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Irregardless of what party was in power in the past, as a Canadian citizen, you knew that the country would be relatively undamaged at the end of the ruling party's term.

Pick any past leader . . . Harper, Chretien, Lester B, etc.,  you knew that they had the best interests of this country at heart.  You may have been pissed with some policies and programs, but Canada would be a functioning entity in the end.

The 'entitled clown' residing at 24 Sussex Drive has changed all that . . . . we are seeing this country cleaved apart on racial, economic, and regional lines. You're seeing a fool at the helm steer this country into the rocks. Damage done that will take decades to undo.  

At the moment, Andrew Scheer is the best option . . . . 

 

How Canada has lasted this long is beyond me. I cannot believe that Canada has not declared bankruptcy by now. The only thing that I can see holding this country up is bull chit glue. The taxpayer's of this country have been dragged over the coals for dozens of decades now with no end in sight. The real downfall and destruction of Canada began when old man Trudeau took power in 1980. The first words out of his mouth were "welcome to the new Canada". The old man has his buffoon of a kid as PM and he has pretty much finished what his old man started. 

Wow, so what did he mean by those words? Well, I think that we see today what he meant by those words. He was prepared and ready to destroy our British/European culture, heritage, and traditions and all to be replaced with leftist liberal multiculturalism/socialism/communism ideology, programs and agendas. We are a divided country now and massive immigration will only make things worse as time goes on. We live in a country where the minority now rules and runs the majority. 

I don't know where Scheer stands because he never says a dam thing about how or what or where he is going to make Canada great again. All this guy has to say to the Canadian people is that when I become the PM of Canada I will be cutting taxes and red tape, less government, and allow more individual freedom, and I can guarantee you that should resonate with we the people and he could end up becoming the next PM of Canada because that is pretty much what Bernier has been saying and wants to do. 

Right now I believe that Bernier is the best option for Canada. It should become a good fight night between conservative Bernier and liberal looking Scheer. Hey, you never know. :D

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On 5/2/2019 at 8:32 PM, Olijam said:

I am sorry to disappoint you Amy. Yes I am a long time liberal, but I am not voting for them in the next elections. I have explained why in another Forum topic :

 

That does not mean that I will vote for the Conservatives either (as well explained in the above forum.) 

As for Jean Chretien, you might not like him, but still he was a strong leader. In fact he is rated higher than Harper (Chrétien en 7th and Harper 10th) in the  Maclean's Long-term Canadian Prime Minister 2016 list. 

 

I'm not disappointed that your a liberal, most French Canadians are , I agree with your statements that Quebec is just as Canadian as the rest of us and with out them this country would not be what it is today, Don't get me wrong, I don't like the modern Quebec and what it has become..... the wish to separate, the need to preserve the French culture that has been crossing the line of reason for sometime now, this need to become all French is what separates us, we are no longer Canadian French/English that treat each other on a equal footing...

As for Mr Chretien , I'm sorry I find it hard to put him on any list....except the list of men that finally destroyed the military in just 2 terms....But hey your entitled to your opinion...

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On 5/2/2019 at 9:16 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

1. The 'entitled clown' residing at 24 Sussex Drive has changed all that . . . . we are seeing this country cleaved apart on racial, economic, and regional lines. You're seeing a fool at the helm steer this country into the rocks. Damage done that will take decades to undo.  

2. At the moment, Andrew Scheer is the best option . . . . 

 

0. First of all, I hate the 'tomato soup' font.

1. He is merely mediocre.  He's much more of a disappointment to the left.  The party has never been on the same page regionally, economically or even racially.  Trolls are making this seem like it's historically different but there's nothing this milquetoast PM has done that's even remarkable.

2. Speaking of mediocre.  Trudeau is SO unimpressive that a goat in a top hat should be able to beat him handily and yet poor Andy is barely in majority territory.  If he doesn't cut lose the moronic trolls who follow him he could end up with a minority government of a year or two.   

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Like Kenny, Scheer is a religious white racist. Just ask yourself if that is who you want as Prime Minister? Scheer would be a poor man's Trump. He is a US-style Republican with all the warts and pus that represents. Trudeau is a feckless weenie to be sure. But better a mindless dilettante that a racist, religious bigot.  

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11 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I'm not disappointed that your a liberal, most French Canadians are , I agree with your statements that Quebec is just as Canadian as the rest of us and with out them this country would not be what it is today, Don't get me wrong, I don't like the modern Quebec and what it has become..... the wish to separate, the need to preserve the French culture that has been crossing the line of reason for sometime now, this need to become all French is what separates us, we are no longer Canadian French/English that treat each other on a equal footing...

As for Mr Chretien , I'm sorry I find it hard to put him on any list....except the list of men that finally destroyed the military in just 2 terms....But hey your entitled to your opinion...

Amy, aside from Chretien, I think we are in the same page. Even as a French Canadian (and I insist there is a lot like me) I am appalled sometimes by the extreme actions of our provincial governments takes to protect the French entity. Instead by doing this they are destroying it and allienating a lot of people. I, for example,  decided to study at an English speaking University because it is very important for me and my business with the rest of Canada. I vote Liberal provincially for the that reason. They are the only Quebec party who are really for a Canadian Quebec. 

The problem is on the Federal level, the Conservative party do everything to alienate Quebec (especially in the Harper era). So people like me who wants to stay in Canada feel in a big dilema. 

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11 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

Like Kenny, Scheer is a religious white racist. Just ask yourself if that is who you want as Prime Minister? Scheer would be a poor man's Trump. He is a US-style Republican with all the warts and pus that represents. Trudeau is a feckless weenie to be sure. But better a mindless dilettante that a racist, religious bigot.  

Even if any of that were true, and it's not, so what. Many Canadians are religious, and white. Many, many are racist. That is my personal view and I believe that statistics will not bear that out. Almost any normal person will say "no" to the question, "Are you a racists?" but most people do sometimes have feelings of racial difference and xenophobia.

I want a government that focuses on matters of law and the economy, and security. One that does not use the government platform to inject their ideological issues into society, by which they attempt to maintain a hold on power. I want a government that purposely avoids making ideological virtue signalling, because they understand the pitfalls when you go there. They must stick strictly to the business of government.

Where most liberals are somewhat moderate, lets face it everyone's a bit of a mix, Mr. Trudeau represents the more extreme, polarized view as he seeks to intentionally veer us to the left, towards his personal vision of a Canadian utopia. That is why he is unfit to be our leader, because his ambitions in politics are personal in nature. He is not here to erve Canadians first. No person should be given that kind of power to influence our society.

As for Bernier, well what more can you say. Here comes the equal and opposite reaction.

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4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

One that does not use the government platform to inject their ideological issues into society,

That is exactly what you'll get with a Scheer government. If you don't realize Scheer's base is composed mostly of white racists, you haven't been paying attention. Kenny and Scheer share the same ideological pew and Kenny is well known to be a supporter of white racists and due to his ridiculous religious beliefs, hates the LGetc community and has said so publicly. This is exactly what you will get with a Scheer government. 

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1 hour ago, Realitycheck said:

Like Kenny, Scheer is a religious white racist. Just ask yourself if that is who you want as Prime Minister? Scheer would be a poor man's Trump. He is a US-style Republican with all the warts and pus that represents. Trudeau is a feckless weenie to be sure. But better a mindless dilettante that a racist, religious bigot.  

I think you are overreaching here.  I see no evidence of your accusation.  I will note, though, that if somebody writes that Trudeau is a secret Muslim no Conservative will step up and correct them.  They apparently love lies. 

I don't.

This isn't true.

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21 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

That is exactly what you'll get with a Scheer government. If you don't realize Scheer's base is composed mostly of white racists, you haven't been paying attention. 

Bullshit.  There aren't enough white racists to put him into power that is saying something like 18% of Canada is white racists.

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Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Bullshit.  There aren't enough white racists to put him into power that is saying something like 18% of Canada is white racists.

Not by themselves no. But there are enough other people either fed up with Trudeau, the Greens and the NDamnableP that that white racist base could put Scheer into office, possibly in a minority position.

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22 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

This is exactly what you will get with a Scheer government. 

I know. Some say Scheer will be Trudeau-light, and I agree on some issues. Look, most likely he's going to be the next PM, as it stands now. Let's just hope he's also lighter on the bullshyte.

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2 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

Not by themselves no. But there are enough other people either fed up with Trudeau, the Greens and the NDamnableP that that white racist base could put Scheer into office, possibly in a minority position.

Ok, so your 'most of supporters' accusation is wild hyperbole then.  Fair enough.

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2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I know. Some say Scheer will be Trudeau-light, and I agree on some issues. Look, most likely he's going to be the next PM, as it stands now. Let's just hope he's also lighter on the bullshyte.

That is a forlorn hope. I have met Scheer and talked to him and found him to be as shallow as piss on a plate and as appetizing. He will say almost anything to ingratiate himself with potential voters...anything but the truth.

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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so your 'most of supporters' accusation is wild hyperbole then.  Fair enough.

Most of his base supporters. Religious white racists. 

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39 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

Most of his base supporters. Religious white racists. 

Now you're backtracking again.  I think I'm done with this.  These types of posts help progressives look illogical... Please do yourself a favour and run through some math exercises, times tables etc.

Edit: Ok - I see you said 'base'.  You're not backtracking - I missed this detail mea culpa.  Your math is still wrong, though but maybe you can advance to calculus.

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1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Now you're backtracking again.  I think I'm done with this.  These types of posts help progressives look illogical... Please do yourself a favour and run through some math exercises, times tables etc.

Edit: Ok - I see you said 'base'.  You're not backtracking - I missed this detail mea culpa.  Your math is still wrong, though but maybe you can advance to calculus.

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2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I want a government that purposely avoids making ideological virtue signalling

Simple question, is being virtuous wrong?

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On 5/2/2019 at 6:56 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Bernier's chief contribution will be to force Scheer to add crackpot policies to his agenda which will either be ignored if he wins, or make him lose.

You mean the kind of policies that 50% - 60% - 70% of Canadians want? 

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On 5/2/2019 at 3:02 PM, Olijam said:

What aggravated this tension between Alberta and Quebec is most probably the pipeline project that most Quebecers do not want (seperatist and federalist combined). 

Half your oil comes from Alberta. It flows through pipelines and into your refineries, and you don't have a single, tiny squeak of protest - as long as it benefits you. But the thought of Alberta sending more than you need, so that it can reach New Brunswick and THEIR refineries, suddenly makes you all indignant and sanctimonious about dirty oil!

Well guess what? You have no right to object. It's not a provincial responsibility. The only reason anyone pays any attention to your hypocritical protests is that we have a spineless federal leader at the moment. A strong federal leader would ram the pipeline through both BC and Quebec. That's what a nation does. It does what's best for the nation, no matter what the whiny little locals have to say.

You want all the benefits of being Canadians and none of the responsibilities. It don't work that way.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-alberta-is-mad-and-people-who-care-about-how-canada-is-supposed-to/

 

 

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