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Populists' EU breakthrough fails, greens and liberals gain

Mainstream parties suffered losses at the European election on Sunday (26 May), which saw a high turnout in most EU member states, ushering in massive wins for the Greens, but a lower than expected surge in right-wing populist parties.

Hopefully this unexpected result bodes well for the upcoming Canadian election.  Is it because the populist message in Europe is just too fundamentally racist it conjures up dark memories of Europe's recent past or was it the even darker vision of a likely environmental disaster in the future?

Whatever the reason it's encouraging to see that politics as usual is just not on and that people can still be counted on to chose a more appropriate path forward.

The world's a better place today than it was yesterday.   

 

 

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41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hopefully this unexpected result bodes well for the upcoming Canadian election.  Is it because the populist message in Europe is just too fundamentally racist it conjures up dark memories of Europe's recent past or was it the even darker vision of a likely environmental disaster in the future?

Whatever the reason it's encouraging to see that politics as usual is just not on and that people can still be counted on to chose a more appropriate path forward.

The world's a better place today than it was yesterday.   

 

 

I'm hoping the exact opposite.  We don't need any more green candidates.  We've already got a carbon tax, among other things.  Green party policies will only hurt Canadians economically, at a time when the economy is already tough for a lot of Canadian families.  And the main drivers of emissions are China and India, who under the Paris accord, don't have to start cutting emissions until 2030.

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4 minutes ago, Shady said:

I'm hoping the exact opposite.  We don't need any more green candidates. 

There was a lot of hope being pinned the outcome of elections in Europe and that they would indicate the direction Canada could be expected to follow.

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We've already got a carbon tax, among other things.  Green party policies will only hurt Canadians economically, at a time when the economy is already tough for a lot of Canadian families.  And the main drivers of emissions are China and India, who under the Paris accord, don't have to start cutting emissions until 2030.

With any luck the Greens will help keep the Tar Sands in the ground where they belong.  Besides Alberta, who needs Canada to be a main driver of emissions?

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8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There was a lot of hope being pinned the outcome of elections in Europe and that they would indicate the direction Canada could be expected to follow.

With any luck the Greens will help keep the Tar Sands in the ground where they belong.  Besides Alberta, who needs Canada to be a main driver of emissions?

See, that's the economic devastation that I'm talking about.  All for nothing.  Canada barley contributes to emissions, yet India and China are allow to skate until 2030 by your ilk.  It's really sickening.

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

See, that's the economic devastation that I'm talking about.  All for nothing.  Canada barley contributes to emissions, yet India and China are allow to skate until 2030 by your ilk.  It's really sickening.

Oil currently recoverable from the Tar Sands will emit some 22 billion tons of CO2 making Canada one of the greatest sources of CO2 on the planet.

Canada should be boycotted for developing and selling Alberta's Tar Sands oil especially to China.

Ditto for BC's coal. If we don't have the conventional stocks from which to sell oil then tough tittlies.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Oil currently recoverable from the Tar Sands will emit some 22 billion tons of CO2 making Canada one of the greatest sources of CO2 on the planet.

Canada should be boycotted for developing and selling Alberta's Tar Sands oil especially to China.

Ditto for BC's coal. If we don't have the conventional stocks from which to sell oil then tough tittlies.

No Canada isn't one the greatest sources of CO2 on the planet.  Canada is something like 12th or 13th per capita.

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43 minutes ago, Shady said:

No Canada isn't one the greatest sources of CO2 on the planet.  Canada is something like 12th or 13th per capita.

Which includes accounting for merely processing of Tar Sands. It's when it gets burned that it really counts.

Even at that, it's clear that Tar Sands operators are badly underreporting their emissions and that our regulators are not competent at their jobs so whatever is being reported as per capita emission is just so much processed horseshit.

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41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Which includes accounting for merely processing of Tar Sands. It's when it gets burned that it really counts.

Even at that, it's clear that Tar Sands operators are badly underreporting their emissions and that our regulators are not competent at their jobs so whatever is being reported as per capita emission is just so much processed horseshit.

It’s not clear at all that that’s true.  Face facts, Canada just isn’t in the big leagues of carbon emissions.  Why don’t you start demanding that China and India be held accountable?  Instead of trying to trim an already small number from Canada while sticking it to Canadian families again.

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6 hours ago, Shady said:

It’s not clear at all that that’s true.

It most certainly is.  The greater amounts of CO2 being under-reported in the small number of companies sampled suggest that if un-sampled companies are similarly under-reporting that Ottawa is greatly underestimating and under-reporting Canada's contribution to the global total.  This is far from trifling in terms of planning economic policy not to mention our credibility on the global stage.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/oilsands-carbon-emissions-study-1.5106809

 

The following link should underscore why Canada's oil industry regulators and oil industry operators should be trusted no farther than one can spit. 

https://globalnews.ca/news/4176459/pollution-from-canadian-refineries-an-embarrassment-compared-to-u-s/  

 

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Face facts, Canada just isn’t in the big leagues of carbon emissions. Why don’t you start demanding that China and India be held accountable?

Providing the biggest emitters with the worst CO2 emitting oil on the planet puts us as squarely and prominently in the league as any baseball or football team owner is to a professional sports league.  Doing this with eyes wide open is just about the least accountable thing we could do.

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Instead of trying to trim an already small number from Canada while sticking it to Canadian families again.

Trim what exactly? Nothing sticks it to Canadians families hardest than when bad regulators and bad operators get together.  Elizabeth May's comments on corporate/political corruption and cronyism in the case of the SNC Lavelin issue bode well for better accounting for Canada's true contribution to  domestic CO2 emissions. 

Hopefully the global nature of the party and the way it's making gains around the globe will compel us to face the truth that developing the Tar Sands will contribute to a global problem that shouldn't be tolerated.

 

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What the Greens represent in terms of voter interest is a disenfranchisement of Liberals and their over-the-top BS. Ordinary people are not as stupid as liberals think, and are turned off by their obvious, phoney behaviour. Liberal voters are looking for an alternative.

As to liberal alarmist predictions that the "Far Right" would sweep through Europe, it proved to be just more fear-inducing hype to rally voters. It's not the far right that's coming into power, but it will be The Right.

 

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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

As to liberal alarmist predictions that the "Far Right" would sweep through Europe, it proved to be just more fear-inducing hype to rally voters.

My post and the article I linked to speaks more to conservative hopes and predictions that the far right would sweep Europe and vindicate similarly minded people trying to achieve legitimacy here in Canada.  In your dreams.

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It's not the far right that's coming into power, but it will be The Right.

And still Wrong.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

My post and the article I linked to speaks more to conservative hopes and predictions that the far right would sweep Europe and vindicate similarly minded people trying to achieve legitimacy here in Canada.

They do? Nonsense. The right and the far-right and not one and the same, just as the left and far-left disagree. There's  political position and then there's an extreme position. Not the same. But I know it's a typical liberal trademark to find it hard to discriminate the difference between things.

Those articles are written by leftist agent provocateurs. They have ensnared your mind.

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The original greens were created by Stasi in order to subvert the West-German society. The plan has worked out perfectly. 

The greens are very popular in Finland as well. The background of the older figures of the greens goes to the communists. It is a very accurate description of the greens to call them water-melons; green on the outside, red on the inside.

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On 5/28/2019 at 5:23 PM, eyeball said:

Hopefully this unexpected result bodes well for the upcoming Canadian election.  Is it because the populist message in Europe is just too fundamentally racist it conjures up dark memories of Europe's recent past or was it the even darker vision of a likely environmental disaster in the future?

Whatever the reason it's encouraging to see that politics as usual is just not on and that people can still be counted on to chose a more appropriate path forward.

The world's a better place today than it was yesterday.   

 

 

 

Nationalist party influences big in France and Germany and Hungary and Finland but no more after then. ;) ;) ;) ;)

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