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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Okay....but are they ever just called....Canadians ?

They don't even refer to themselves as 'Canadians' . . . why would they with dual citizenship ?

 

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4 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

They don't even refer to themselves as 'Canadians' . . . why would they with dual citizenship ?

 

Indeed, every Indian I ever met called themselves an Indian and would take offense to being called a "Canadian", they'd bristle at that, they embrace the apartheid state in their own way, they refuse to be Canadians, they cling to their Bantustans because that's all they got.

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3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

There was much student to student abuse.  Within all schools there have been forms of abuse, none of which were legal, although corporal punishment in all schools sometimes crossed the line.  Saying the RCMP delivered students to schools where they knew they would be raped as a police policy is a lie.  There were bad apples in schools and the police.  

Drop the "bad apples" nonsense.

That church-apologist bs is over. 

It was systemic, and rampant right across the country. 

Rape is a weapon of genocide.

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4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

They’re very different systems.  I’d love to see the end of the reserve systems like most Canadians. 

 It's not your business where someone chooses to live. Get over that nonsense. 

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9 minutes ago, jacee said:

Drop the "bad apples" nonsense.

That church-apologist bs is over. 

It was systemic, and rampant right across the country. 

Rape is a weapon of genocide.

It's just like Germans in the Third Reich; "we don't want to know who is on those trains and we don't want to see where those trains are going"

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I mean, can you imagine, the state security police come and kidnap your children at gun point and take them away to some prison camp?

And Canada did this for over a hundred years and they were still doing it in the 1990's.

Peace, Order and Good Governance says the Ministry of Truth.

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Thing about racism,  is that if you don't identify with people,  if you can dehumanize them, then the government can literally do anything to them, and nobody will say boo about it.

That is how Canada is like Nazi Germany, how many people murdered is neither here nor there, one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

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5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Thing about racism,  is that if you don't identify with people,  if you can dehumanize them, then the government can literally do anything to them, and nobody will say boo about it.

That is how Canada is like Nazi Germany, how many people murdered is neither here nor there, one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

You and Jacee exaggerate and demonize, which is why this file is soon to be bypassed.  There’s little honesty or effort to make real changes that would sustainably fix these problems.  

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You and Jacee exaggerate and demonize, which is why this file is soon to be bypassed.  There’s little honesty or effort to make real changes that would sustainably fix these problems.  

It's a systematic program to kidnap peoples children, and it went on for a hundred years, that's dictionary definition of diabolical,  Kafkaesque.

That's comparable to anything the Nazis did in peacetime, certainly the Nazis escalated come the war, but so did Canada, we did after all firebomb their women and children into the stone age under wartime conditions.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

It's a systematic program to kidnap peoples children, and it went on for a hundred years, that's dictionary definition of diabolical,  Kafkaesque.

That's comparable to anything the Nazis did in peacetime, certainly the Nazis escalated come the war, but so did Canada, we did after all firebomb their women and children into the stone age under wartime conditions.

It remains the law in Canada for school-aged children to attend school, as it should.  If students live very far from a school, funding is provided for students to live near schools.  That’s really what residential schools are.  A century ago many schools were run by government or religious institutions.  Now when Indigenous students attend schools far from home, they are Indigenous run.  It isn’t all wine and roses, as many students still suffer depression and face challenges of substance abuse.  I will tell you that child welfare agencies don’t enforce attendance, and now child welfare is going to be Indigenous run on reserves, though still publicly funded.  Will it result in more children being removed from families?  Will more or less removals be better or worse for children and communities?  The verdict isn’t in because the process is getting underway.  The costs are high.  Hopefully the results are better. 

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7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It remains the law in Canada for school-aged children to attend school, as it should.  If students live very far from a school, funding is provided for students to live near schools.  That’s really what residential schools are.  A century ago many schools were run by government or religious institutions.  Now when Indigenous students attend schools far from home, they are Indigenous run.  It isn’t all wine and roses, as many students still suffer depression and face challenges of substance abuse.  I will tell you that child welfare agencies don’t enforce attendance, and now child welfare is going to be Indigenous run on reserves, though still publicly funded.  Will it result in more children being removed from families?  Will more or less removals be better or worse for children and communities?  The verdict isn’t in because the process is getting underway.  The costs are high.  Hopefully the results are better. 

Well now you're doing what Neo Nazis do, which is to deny that the crime ever took place, so you're becoming increasingly National Socialist about it as we go here.

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You can't have it both ways, Canada, I got a hundred million dollar report here, years in the making, from the Government of Canada, which uncategorically states that Canada has commited Genocide.

That is the principle crime which the Nazis were convicted of at Nuremberg and they hung for it, who knew?

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5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You and Jacee exaggerate and demonize, which is why this file is soon to be bypassed.  There’s little honesty or effort to make real changes that would sustainably fix these problems.  

"This file is soon to be bypassed"?

What does that mean? Who decides that? You? 

"Little honesty or effort" ... by Canada, that's certainly true. 

Indigenous Nations continue to struggle very hard, with few resources to do so, to get our governments to conduct themselves appropriately, legally, to recognize and respect their land rights and titles, pay money owing according to Treaty and other agreements, replace money embezzled from their Trust funds, etc, so that Indigenous Nations can be self sustaining, as they planned for and intended from the beginning of colonization. 

"Real changes" would involve Canada living up to it's agreements. That is all that is necessary.

If you, and all Canadians could devote efforts to making changes to the ways our governments evade their legal responsibilities to Indigenous Peoples, that would be helpful. 

Sanctimonious navel-gazing and spouting half-baked, ill-informed and unilateral 'ideas' about what Indigenous people 'should' do isn't helpful. I certainly won't join you in that. Lol 

Did you know ...

Canada's largest single Indigenous community, Six Nations' 27,000 members plus businesses, send about $700M per year in (income and business) taxes to Ottawa, and receive only about $70M back in funding for all public services - governance, social, educational, health, public works, land claims, etc.? Canada profits $630M/year ... +++ all revenues from land 'surrendered' for federal management from which Six Nations' share of revenues is never deposited in their Trust Fund, as required by treaties? 

Did you know that businesses on reserve are not legally required to pay business taxes (Supreme Court confirmed this), but are harassed by federal agencies with surveillace, nit-picking and interference with their ability to do business until they comply ... just to keep their businesses viable? 

Did you know ... that Indigenous Peoples need govetnment approval, seldom provided, just to access their own trust funds for capital to build businesses that could sustain them? Did you know that local business communities lobby governments to prevent competition from Indigenous businesses?

It's important to be aware of the many ways that Canada's governments sabotage self-reliance of Indigenous Nations, to understand that such Indigenous self-reliance is not Canada's purpose: continued harassment,  subjugation of Indigenous Peoples and embezzlement of Indigenous funds for our governments' uses is the practical reality of all of Canada's policies and practices. 

If we didn't (illegally) have 'use' of Indigenous funds generated from resource extraction and other developments on traditional Indigenous territories, Canadians would have to become much more resourceful in how we manage our finances. Canada could no longer sustain itself by passively by extracting resources and ignoring the environmental damage left for future generations.

Canada's resource-extraction-based economy was never viable, as repeatedly noted by international agencies, and now is crunch time as damage from incessant resource extraction finally comes under scrutiny.

Unfortunately, our governments' four-year limited vision never allows for long-term planning for our future realities. That's our job.

It will take substantial civic action by Canadians to correct the lazy course  our short-term governments' set ... and partnering with Indigenous Peoples with their thousands of years of knowledge and perspective ... to adjust our plans towards a more sustainable and equitable economy for the future. 

Focusing your efforts towards that might be useful. 

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

It remains the law in Canada for school-aged children to attend school, as it should.  If students live very far from a school, funding is provided for students to live near schools.  That’s really what residential schools are.  A century ago many schools were run by government or religious institutions.  Now when Indigenous students attend schools far from home, they are Indigenous run.  It isn’t all wine and roses, as many students still suffer depression and face challenges of substance abuse.  I will tell you that child welfare agencies don’t enforce attendance, and now child welfare is going to be Indigenous run on reserves, though still publicly funded.  Will it result in more children being removed from families?  Will more or less removals be better or worse for children and communities?  The verdict isn’t in because the process is getting underway.  The costs are high.  Hopefully the results are better. 

Wtf? 

What is your purpose in this tone-deaf ridiculous nonsense? 

Your role, our role, is not to determine how Indigenous lives 'should' be managed. Your opinions are irrelevant. 

Our role is to make our governments  enforce and uphold our agreements with Indigenous Peoples, to finally free them to manage themselves (instead of actively sabotaging that, as has been the case from 1867 to date).  

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I don't think merely living up to agreements is sufficient now that Canada has invoked a genocide.

What needs to happen now is an investigation to find out what public officials signed off on this, and then those officials need to be extradited to the International Criminal Court at the Hague for trial.

And as the RCMP is seemingly complicit and also seems incapable of investigating itself as to its own crimes, I think we need the assistance of the FBI, and perhaps international military assistance, to bring the Canadian genocidal criminals to justice,  as Special Operations Forces can be employed to hunt down and capture fugitives from international law.

It's no different than the Serbs and Croats, if Canada fails to extradite its international criminals for trial, perhaps President Trump can send JSOC to take them down, under the terms of Responsibility to Protect.

I mean, bottom line, you can't just invoke genocide and then un-ring that bell after, genocide activates R2P.

Under the Continental Defense and Security Agreement, this already falls under the military control of the United States Northern Command at Peterson AFB Colorado.

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1 hour ago, jacee said:

Wtf? 

More tone-deaf ridiculous nonsense.

We may disagree with the restrictions on Indigenous cultural practices in schools decades ago by today’s standards, but those approaches were valued by the institutions that provided education across the country.  Was it more acceptable for Indigenous students not to attend school?  Perhaps it seems so now.  However, you will find few Canadians who believe that relying solely on traditional teachings of a community is preferable to learning the forefront of the accumulation of knowledge provided in areas such as Science, Math, and Geography.  It’s fine to draw on traditional practices in addition to these disciplines, but not as the sole guideline for social and economic development.  Having said that, no one is going to make Indigenous Peoples attend schools.  That did happen in residential schools.  

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If you think the Canadian Nanny Police State won't seize your children under absurd pretexts, you are naive.

My father worked for the Children's Aid Society for forty years, and at the end even he said that it had gone completely crazy.

You'd probably be stunned to know how little it would take for the CAS to send the cops and an intake worker to your door, to take your children at gun point.

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8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

If you think the Canadian Nanny Police State won't seize your children under absurd pretexts, you are naive.

My father worked for the Children's Aid Society for forty years, and at the end even he said that it had gone completely crazy.

You'd probably be stunned to know how little it would take for the CAS to send the cops and an intake worker to your door, to take your children at gun point.

The bigger concern in northern Ontario right now is lack of intervention.

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On 7/3/2019 at 9:14 AM, Rue said:

In hindsight there was a time in this country Christians were so convinced of their religion being the only civilized way to be they created an Indian Act and took about 60 to 90 tribes of groups of Canadian natives, redefined them as 3000 "bands" in need of government patronage and patronization and for the most part placed them in open air segregated ghettoes called reservations. Then these same Christians decided they would try take the children of these people and teach them English, convert them to Christianity and cut their hair and show them how to walk and scratch their testacles like white people do.

The above initiatives were predicated not on the express idea of slaughter but to proseltyze and cleanse savages. Unlike Nazis or just out and out brutal massacres like in Armenia or with the blacks in Sudan, the Yazidi, the Kurds, it was done in the name of Jesus to save souls.

Well it fucked up and blew up real good

Did it? I mean, what exactly was the alternative? Non one ever seems to ask that. Just leave the 'primitive' natives as they were, unable to speak English, knowing nothing of Science or Technology, worshipping the sun god or whatever it was they were doing? Were our ancestors arrogant in making the decisions? Yes. Were they sensitive to native culture? No. They weren't sensitive to anyone's culture back then. Just about everything government did on every subject was kind of brusque, clumsy and ham-fisted.

But as has been pointed out, the natives slaughtered their enemies when they moved into their lands. We instead tried to incorporate the natives into our society.

On 7/3/2019 at 9:14 AM, Rue said:

Then from there have that council elect a set number of their own members to sit in federal Parliament. We should also give this native self-government full public scrutiny as we do our own governments when it comes to how they spend and serve their people.

The idea should always be to assimilate natives into our culture, just as that's the goal with the millions of immigrants who came to Canada. Are natives to be taken as so primitive, so delicate and dainty, that unlike the people who came here with nothing from the third world they can't possibly survive if exposed to 'big city ways'? The native population continues to grow by leaps and bounds. Do we want to set up a parallel government structure with a parallel society within our midst? How long before that comes to violence?

On 7/3/2019 at 9:14 AM, Rue said:

Then I would appoint Argus Minister of Home Security and have him round up every damn leftist (except Dialamah because she is nice) and put them on the old reservations and force them to listen to Celine Dione music over and over again until they agree to convert to Hari Krishna.

dialamah goes too. She's not the least bit nice, and it's her type of attitude which perpetuates this nonsense of keeping the native reservations as a living museum to a way of life which should have been pushed into the background a century ago.

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On 7/5/2019 at 3:13 AM, jacee said:

I suggested that you look beyond your Ontario CAS experience with non-Indigenous kids.

It isn't relevant.

You're not well-informed but you have all the answers. Lol 

Because when child sexual assault and abuse happens within native families outside of Ontario it's COMPLETELY different.

So just leave them there. Who cares what happens to them, right? As long as they're on the reservation where they have to stay!

Why are all the segregationists on the Left now?

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3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The bigger concern in northern Ontario right now is lack of intervention.

Oh well the government is indeed totally incompetent, but that doesn't protect the individual, Canada is effectively lawless, like sure, the Canadian military is dysfunctional, but that didn't stop the government from taking Vice-Admiral Norman as a political prisoner in a knee jerk totalitarian reaction.

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On 7/8/2019 at 5:49 AM, jacee said:

I think involuntary removals of Indigenous Peoples are no longer possible. 

 

It isn't anybody's business where somebody chooses to live.

When we're paying all the bills, it is.

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18 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada exceeded Germany by exporting the monarchy approved reserve system to apartheid South Africa.

 

And the only people who still embrace that system are those on the Left.

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15 hours ago, jacee said:

Drop the "bad apples" nonsense.

That church-apologist bs is over. 

It was systemic, and rampant right across the country.

There's absolutely no evidence of that. None.

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4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

It's a systematic program to kidnap peoples children, and it went on for a hundred years, that's dictionary definition of diabolical,  Kafkaesque.

That's comparable to anything the Nazis did in peacetime, certainly the Nazis escalated come the war, but so did Canada, we did after all firebomb their women and children into the stone age under wartime conditions.

Get over the past. Why are white people always having their faces wiped in Indian racism of the past. When will it stop. What happened in the past is over. Stop trying to bring it back. This reminds of the same problem that white people are having in America. The white people in America are being constantly reminded of Americans past racism and the slave industry at the time. All this constant blame old whitey stuff every day is starting to pizz white people off. Stop rubbing our white noses into some kind of guilt chit for what other white people have done in the past. The white people of today had nothing to do with the past so leave us alone. The blacks and Indians are doing quite well in North America these days. Indians and blacks are being treated better than white people who are fast becoming the new slaves of racism in North America. If both mentioned are not doing well in life than it is because they are not trying to better for themselves in life, and not old whitey's fault. Enough already. Some of us are getting mighty tired of being attacked and insulted all the time by the leftist media for being white. I have no need for having any kinds of white guilt because I am innocent of all charges as to what happened in the past. Quit it now. 

Some time back I happened across a website run by some black pastor, of all people who said at the time "don't make the white man angry". He is so right on. If those anti-whites in the leftist liberal media keeps it up they are going to make a lot of white people angry one day. Then, who knows what will happen when that does happen. Let us all just get on with life and forget the bloody past. I am sick and tired of hearing about it. My opinion, of course. 

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