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1 hour ago, taxme said:

As if Wynne's cronies never got drunk on taxpayer's tax dollars. Liberals and socialists are all alike. They always want to whine and cry and blame the other party in power that they have a problem with and do not like. What? Do you think that people of Ontario are all that stupid here in Ontario land? The liberals and socialists have done more harm to the economy of Ontario, and have blown pretty much hundreds billions of taxpayer's tax dollars from cronyism, and Wynne has given the Ontario people more government, more rules and regulations, more or higher taxes, and took away incentives to want to create thousands of new jobs and employment, and attacks on freedom of speech. Conservatives like Ford will never come anywhere close to what the liberal socialists have done to Ontario. With the liberals and socialists, it is all and only about gay/trans rights, gender pronouns, refugees, climate change and carbon taxes, and not one of them will ever help to make Ontario great. They will not create thousands of new tax creating revenue jobs for Ontario.  They will only make a few special interest minority groups rich.

Those liberal/socialist agendas and programs will only put Ontario deeper in debt, and eventually could bankrupt Ontario. Hopefully, the conservative Doug Ford party will try to lower their influence on the Ontario majority people. Liberalism and socialism are two very sick diseases that need to be eradicated as soon as possible. Works for me. ;)

 

Didn't michael savage say "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder"?

 

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22 hours ago, jacee said:

Ford is benefiting from a good economy, caused in part by increased consumer spending due to the increased minimum wage, and resulting increase in corporate tax revenues. 

Other than inflating the 'Liberal' deficit by playing with the books, the Ford govt has done little that actually decreased the deficit. 

Minimum wage hikes to not generate  increased consumer spending. That makes no fiscal sense. They simply add to inflation of prices. You need to study basic economics. Also do explain how increasing corporate tax revenues generates business. Man oh man where do socialists come from. What planet? Oh I know Mars. Its the Red planet. I was gonna say Uranus but that would sound like something Don Cherry would say.

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Just now, Rue said:

Minimum wage hikes to not generate  increased consumer spending. That makes no fiscal sense. They simply add to inflation of prices. You need to study basic economics. Also do explain how increasing corporate tax revenues generates business. Man oh man where do socialists come from. What planet? Oh I know Mars. Its the Red planet. I was gonna say Uranus but that would sound like something Don Cherry would say.

You need to read up on it, Rue. Yes, minimum wage hikes do generate  increased consumer spending, because min wage workers have more money to spend and they spend it all. It's a well known fact. They also stay in their jobs, reducing unemployment, and reducing employer staffing and  training demands. Businesses do better, increasing government tax revenues.

None of the doomsday scenarios of the vocal fringe businesses have proven true in Ontario. Quite the opposite. 

Being stingy with employees is not a successful business plan, but a recipe for bankruptcy.

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4 hours ago, jacee said:

You need to read up on it, Rue. Yes, minimum wage hikes do generate  increased consumer spending, because min wage workers have more money to spend and they spend it all. It's a well known fact. They also stay in their jobs, reducing unemployment, and reducing employer staffing and  training demands. Businesses do better, increasing government tax revenues.

None of the doomsday scenarios of the vocal fringe businesses have proven true in Ontario. Quite the opposite. 

Being stingy with employees is not a successful business plan, but a recipe for bankruptcy.

If I own a business, and I have ten employees working for me, who are paid the minimum wage, and I am now being told that I have to raise everyone's salaries, I would seriously have to think as to whether I should take a drop in my own income or lay two people off. I think that two people will be laid off. Now what? They now either go on unemployment, or they must try to look for another minimum wage paying salary with another business owner.

What is killing all businesses in Canada today is just plain too much government, too much bureaucracy, too many rules and regulations, and too many taxes. It is the government that causes inflation and unemployment. The government is here to promote, not stifle, the growth of jobs, and not try to build up a bureaucracy, as they seem to be always trying to do all the time, which then creates more new taxes to run that bureaucracy for the taxpayer to have to pay for. There can be no doubt about it that the "government "IS" the problem". Downsize politicians and bureaucrats, now. Works for me. ;)

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On 12/5/2019 at 11:57 AM, jacee said:

You need to read up on it, Rue. Yes, minimum wage hikes do generate  increased consumer spending, because min wage workers have more money to spend and they spend it all. It's a well known fact. They also stay in their jobs, reducing unemployment, and reducing employer staffing and  training demands. Businesses do better, increasing government tax revenues.

None of the doomsday scenarios of the vocal fringe businesses have proven true in Ontario. Quite the opposite. 

Being stingy with employees is not a successful business plan, but a recipe for bankruptcy.

I am a businessman in ONT and you have no fucking clue to what you are saying. It is your ilk that is killing a great country.

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40 minutes ago, PIK said:

I am a businessman in ONT and you have no fucking clue to what you are saying. It is your ilk that is killing a great country.

What our dear leader politically correct politicians keep doing is a travesty to the small business men or women, and even to the people that work for those people in business and who are forced to have to pay more taxes, more government, lose more freedom so our dear leaders can find more excuses to raise taxes, fees, licences, permits and hire more people so that they can create a bigger and beautiful overblown bureaucracy, and steal more of our working dollars. The we the people's enemy is their government. I am amazed as to how anyone in business in Canada these days can keep their business still up and running. Hats off too those people. While they work hard to make money, the politicians steal their money. All politicians appear to do is just sit around and get to decide every day as to how to go about screwing the business people. Just my opinion of course. 

There is a pub that we go to once in awhile where they have an outdoor patio. First, that pub has to have a licence to serve booze and food on that patio besides needing a licence for the one inside. Why? Why do they have to have two licences for one business selling just booze and food? And then they have to have a license to sell booze in their booze store. Gawd only knows as to how many other licences that pub may need to stay open. Does a pub need a licence for vehicles to be able to park in their parking lots? Just wondering. 

Secondly, they then had to cut back on how many people can sit on the patio at anyone time. Why? Because the fire department said that it would be a fire hazard to have more than so many people sitting on that patio. This patio sits right next to a huge open area where people in there can flee out of that patio area if a fire started with no problems. There appears to be so much bureaucracy for a business owner to have to deal with and face just to start up a business. I hope that politicians like Doug Ford will change or get rid of so many rules and regulations that must stifle the growth of more businesses and more jobs being created. It's no wonder we the people despise politicians. They appear to not be there for we the people. They appear to be there so they can throw their weight around and push we the people around, and say to we the people that we are the boss, and not you. You will obey us. :unsure: 

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12 hours ago, taxme said:

What our dear leader politically correct politicians keep doing is a travesty to the small business men or women, and even to the people that work for those people in business and who are forced to have to pay more taxes, more government, lose more freedom so our dear leaders can find more excuses to raise taxes, fees, licences, permits and hire more people so that they can create a bigger and beautiful overblown bureaucracy, and steal more of our working dollars. The we the people's enemy is their government. I am amazed as to how anyone in business in Canada these days can keep their business still up and running. Hats off too those people. While they work hard to make money, the politicians steal their money. All politicians appear to do is just sit around and get to decide every day as to how to go about screwing the business people. Just my opinion of course. 

There is a pub that we go to once in awhile where they have an outdoor patio. First, that pub has to have a licence to serve booze and food on that patio besides needing a licence for the one inside. Why? Why do they have to have two licences for one business selling just booze and food? And then they have to have a license to sell booze in their booze store. Gawd only knows as to how many other licences that pub may need to stay open. Does a pub need a licence for vehicles to be able to park in their parking lots? Just wondering. 

Secondly, they then had to cut back on how many people can sit on the patio at anyone time. Why? Because the fire department said that it would be a fire hazard to have more than so many people sitting on that patio. This patio sits right next to a huge open area where people in there can flee out of that patio area if a fire started with no problems. There appears to be so much bureaucracy for a business owner to have to deal with and face just to start up a business. I hope that politicians like Doug Ford will change or get rid of so many rules and regulations that must stifle the growth of more businesses and more jobs being created. It's no wonder we the people despise politicians. They appear to not be there for we the people. They appear to be there so they can throw their weight around and push we the people around, and say to we the people that we are the boss, and not you. You will obey us. :unsure: 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/torontosun.com/news/provincial/ford-government-cancels-hamilton-lrt-starts-war-in-steel-city/amp

Is that how Ford plans to create more jobs?  

Obey this

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10 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

What the Sun said was that the project was going to cost far more than the original price. Five times the original price is a hell of a lot of tax dollars for something that was supposed to cost a lot less. It's not just your tax dollars that are being blown here. But what the hell do liberals and socialists care about other people's tax dollars. Wynne says, it's our tax dollars now. Get lost taxpayer. Everyt time any project is proposed, they always seem to end up costing five times more than the original price. I guess that if you tell the taxpayer that it will cost one million, but all the time knowing that it will cost five times that amount, is something politicians are good at. Lying about the price when they know that the cost will be much higher. Hey, Doug is saving you the taxpayer some tax dollars. What the hell is your problem with that? :unsure:

AS a side note, the Canadian deficit will be going up by another 26.6 billion dollars for the years 2109-2020. No doubt all that money spent will be on more useless liberal socialist programs and agendas that the ordinary taxpayer is really asking for. The only ones asking for more money are the useless and wasteful minority special interest groups who have their own personal agenda. Trudeau always loves his minorities. :wacko:

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On 12/4/2019 at 3:55 PM, ProudConservative said:

Didn't michael savage say "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder"?

 

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And it needs to be eradicated for the health of a nation and it's people. Sadly, this liberal mental disorder will once again be running this country. I hope that all of us sane conservative people out there will be able to survive this terrible insanity disease known as liberalism for another four more bloody years. Liberalism will destroy good and healthy brain cells, and will turn those brain cells into mush. But ask a liberal if they care. They don't care because they have lost all feelings of what it is like to care. With them it's our way or the take the icy covered highway. Canada has become such a sad country. Aw well. :(

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1 hour ago, taxme said:

What the Sun said was that the project was going to cost far more than the original price. Five times the original price is a hell of a lot of tax dollars for something that was supposed to cost a lot less. It's not just your tax dollars that are being blown here. But what the hell do liberals and socialists care about other people's tax dollars. Wynne says, it's our tax dollars now. Get lost taxpayer. Everyt time any project is proposed, they always seem to end up costing five times more than the original price. I guess that if you tell the taxpayer that it will cost one million, but all the time knowing that it will cost five times that amount, is something politicians are good at. Lying about the price when they know that the cost will be much higher. Hey, Doug is saving you the taxpayer some tax dollars. What the hell is your problem with that? :unsure:

AS a side note, the Canadian deficit will be going up by another 26.6 billion dollars for the years 2109-2020. No doubt all that money spent will be on more useless liberal socialist programs and agendas that the ordinary taxpayer is really asking for. The only ones asking for more money are the useless and wasteful minority special interest groups who have their own personal agenda. Trudeau always loves his minorities. :wacko:

Try reading the entire article.  

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33 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Try reading the entire article.  

I did. It said that it was going to cost five times more the cost. :rolleyes:

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18 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Canceling the Hamilton LRT is an enormous mistake, as Hamilton is a city in need of revitalization where transit use is high (and therefore not as subsidy dependent).  Poverty and mental health/disability rates are high, yet Hamilton has the potential to become the affordable housing suburb of Toronto if the right infrastructure moves are made.  I recommend scaling back the project slightly, perhaps starting with a shorter line, and asking the federal government to chip in.  Ford has included operating costs in the price tag that haven’t been included in some other LRT project accounting, at least not to the same degree.  Businesses had started investing on the fair assumption that the LRT would be built and well over 100 million has already been spent on this project.  Canceling it is a very stupid idea for which Ford will pay a big political price.  He should reverse course in a hurry.  This is an opportunity for both Trudeau and Ford to show that they don’t just care about the elites in places like Toronto and Ottawa. 

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5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canceling the Hamilton LRT is an enormous mistake, as Hamilton is a city in need of revitalization where transit use is high (and therefore not as subsidy dependent).  Poverty and mental health/disability rates are high, yet Hamilton has the potential to become the affordable housing suburb of Toronto if the right infrastructure moves are made.  I recommend scaling back the project slightly, perhaps starting with a shorter line, and asking the federal government to chip in.  Ford has included operating costs in the price tag that haven’t been included in some other LRT project accounting, at least not to the same degree.  Businesses had started investing on the fair assumption that the LRT would be built and well over 100 million has already been spent on this project.  Canceling it is a very stupid idea for which Ford will pay a big political price.  He should reverse course in a hurry.  This is an opportunity for both Trudeau and Ford to show that they don’t just care about the elites in places like Toronto and Ottawa. 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta/2019/12/17/mayor-optimistic-toronto-transit-plans-will-go-ahead-one-day-after-ford-cancels-hamilton-lrt.html

 

I doubt he will.  I think Ford is heading for a disaster with the RoC.  

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2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Backing out of big infrastructure commitments is bad for business.  This isn’t a left or right thing.  It’s a matter of competence.  Ford has blown it.  He doesn’t understand city building.  

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8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canceling the Hamilton LRT is an enormous mistake, as Hamilton is a city in need of revitalization where transit use is high (and therefore not as subsidy dependent). 

LRT isn't going to revitalize anything. Billions saved for the win, f*ck LRT. I dance on it's grave.

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46 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Backing out of big infrastructure commitments is bad for business.  This isn’t a left or right thing.  It’s a matter of competence.  Ford has blown it.  He doesn’t understand city building.  

Backing out of useless infrastructure boondoggles is good for business, because the businesses don't get their tax rate hiked to pay for useless junk.

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11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canceling the Hamilton LRT is an enormous mistake, as Hamilton is a city in need of revitalization where transit use is high (and therefore not as subsidy dependent).  Poverty and mental health/disability rates are high, yet Hamilton has the potential to become the affordable housing suburb of Toronto if the right infrastructure moves are made.  I recommend scaling back the project slightly, perhaps starting with a shorter line, and asking the federal government to chip in.  Ford has included operating costs in the price tag that haven’t been included in some other LRT project accounting, at least not to the same degree.  Businesses had started investing on the fair assumption that the LRT would be built and well over 100 million has already been spent on this project.  Canceling it is a very stupid idea for which Ford will pay a big political price.  He should reverse course in a hurry.  This is an opportunity for both Trudeau and Ford to show that they don’t just care about the elites in places like Toronto and Ottawa. 

It doesn't sound like the city wants to pay for any of it. The Liberals pledged $1 Billion for the project, but it's clear that it won't be covered for this project. 

Hamilton will still get the $1 Billion for something else. I took a look at the Map and it's just along an East-West corridor within the city. Doesn't help bring people into Hamilton or help people commute out of Hamilton. 

Ford will pay no price as the PCs will never be able to elect an MPP in that area anyway. As opposed to the proposed Highway 10 LRT in Mississauga and Brampton which will serve way more people and is in a community where the PCs need to succeed to be re-elected. 

Hamilton is becoming a trendy little city. And real estate is rather affordable, but you have to live in Hamilton. Visiting is a novelty. 

 

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3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Backing out of useless infrastructure boondoggles is good for business, because the businesses don't get their tax rate hiked to pay for useless junk.

You clearly don't understand the gravity or impact of this cancelation on the thousands of Hamiltonians who depend on public transit, nor the impact on the businesses that invested in the urban core, nor the impact on construction-related jobs, nor the long-term impact on the city's productivity and livability.  I have many much more horrible things I'd like to say that would get very ugly and insulting, but I don't want to get censored and it's almost Christmas.  Clearly you don't care about vulnerable people.  Take your riches and sow them in your mattress.

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

It doesn't sound like the city wants to pay for any of it. The Liberals pledged $1 Billion for the project, but it's clear that it won't be covered for this project. 

Hamilton will still get the $1 Billion for something else. I took a look at the Map and it's just along an East-West corridor within the city. Doesn't help bring people into Hamilton or help people commute out of Hamilton. 

Ford will pay no price as the PCs will never be able to elect an MPP in that area anyway. As opposed to the proposed Highway 10 LRT in Mississauga and Brampton which will serve way more people and is in a community where the PCs need to succeed to be re-elected. 

Hamilton is becoming a trendy little city. And real estate is rather affordable, but you have to live in Hamilton. Visiting is a novelty. 

 

BRT's are garbage and canceling the LRT is the last nail in Ford's coffin.  I was giving him the benefit of a doubt as a possible mediator/conciliator between the provinces, but this guy is still fighting the Toronto mayoral battle, clearly, because he only cares about Toronto.  Thankfully he lost that battle because he doesn't understand city building.  We need intelligent, competent people in government. 

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16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You clearly don't understand the gravity of this cancelation on the thousands of Hamiltonians who depend on public transit, nor the impact on the businesses that invested in the urban core, nor the impact on construction-related jobs, nor the long-term impact on the city's productivity and livability.  I have many much more horrible things I'd like to say that would get very ugly and insulting, but I don't want to get censored and it's almost Christmas.  Clearly you don't care about vulnerable people.  Take your riches and sow them in your mattress.

Clearly you don't understand the costs of LRT on thousands of Hamiltonians who don't depend on public transit, nor the impact of businesses not invested near the LRT, nor the impact on all non-construction-related jobs, nor the long-term impact of the city's productivity and livability. Clearly you don't care about most people in Hamilton and would rather waste money on virtue signaling about the "vulnerable" rather than seeking to help them instead.

I live in the urban core, and use public transit. Stop pretending you know better than me what my own interests are and that I don't care about people like me, just because I disagree with you and know LRT is a useless boondoggle, which is why Hamilton won't pay for it. If it was as good of an idea as you claim, Hamilton still go ahead without provincial funds, yet they don't, because it's a sh*t investment and always was.

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2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

BRT's are garbage and canceling the LRT is the last nail in Ford's coffin.  I was giving him the benefit of a doubt as a possible mediator/conciliator between the provinces, but this guy is still fighting the Toronto mayoral battle, clearly, because he only cares about Toronto.  Thankfully he lost that battle because he doesn't understand city building.  We need intelligent, competent people in government. 

It's Hamilton! This doesn't help people move within the GTHA corridor. The population density in Hamilton certainly doesn't justify a rail system. 

BRTs are being used in Mississauga and appear successful. 

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21 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's Hamilton! This doesn't help people move within the GTHA corridor. The population density in Hamilton certainly doesn't justify a rail system. 

BRTs are being used in Mississauga and appear successful. 

Boges knows. Zeitgeist thinks he knows best for Hamilton and Hamiltonians, but he doesn't have clue.

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25 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Clearly you don't understand the costs of LRT on thousands of Hamiltonians who don't depend on public transit, nor the impact of businesses not invested near the LRT, nor the impact on all non-construction-related jobs, nor the long-term impact of the city's productivity and livability. Clearly you don't care about most people in Hamilton and would rather waste money on virtue signaling about the "vulnerable" rather than seeking to help them instead.

I live in the urban core, and use public transit. Stop pretending you know better than me what my own interests are and that I don't care about people like me, just because I disagree with you and know LRT is a useless boondoggle, which is why Hamilton won't pay for it. If it was as good of an idea as you claim, Hamilton still go ahead without provincial funds, yet they don't, because it's a sh*t investment and always was.

You illustrate exactly what has held Hamilton back.  It could be a great city.  It doesn’t matter.  Stew in your mediocrity and Torontonians will continue to look down their noses at you.  

Ford’s Conservatives may prove to be the least competent Ontario government in my lifetime, worse even than Rae.  They are spending more than the Liberals and have nothing to show for it except a botched autism program, labour disruption, cancelled Hydro One project payouts (and a lost US utility that would have save the province money),  and now this. They might as well sit on their hands.  The Ontario Line is a single bright plan.  News for Ford: You’re Premier of Ontario.  You promised to respect the commitment for an LRT in Hamilton.  Honour your commitment.  

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24 minutes ago, Boges said:

It doesn't sound like the city wants to pay for any of it. The Liberals pledged $1 Billion for the project, but it's clear that it won't be covered for this project. 

Hamilton will still get the $1 Billion for something else. I took a look at the Map and it's just along an East-West corridor within the city. Doesn't help bring people into Hamilton or help people commute out of Hamilton. 

Ford will pay no price as the PCs will never be able to elect an MPP in that area anyway. As opposed to the proposed Highway 10 LRT in Mississauga and Brampton which will serve way more people and is in a community where the PCs need to succeed to be re-elected. 

Hamilton is becoming a trendy little city. And real estate is rather affordable, but you have to live in Hamilton. Visiting is a novelty. 

Hamilton intended to pay its share, updating infrastructure along the route to accommodate new development, costs for operating and maintenance of LRT, construction overruns, etc. 

The LRT line would serve the busiest route in the city, and *it does link commuters to 3 GO Transit stations serving Niagara to Toronto (and links east-west Windsor-Oshawa, and more). 

Ford has faked the data, claiming it'll cost "5 times" the original estimates, a huge lie as they're including *30 years of operating & maintenance costs, not just construction costs, and they're *excluding any revenues that offset the costs. 

Hamilton doesn't elect many Conservatives and Ford has only one pathetic rep to consult, Donna Skelly, a disgraced media 'pundit'  who has never taken a bus or train in her life, never lived downtown but in the burbs where car is king, never reads any paperwork to do her job properly, and has repeatedly shown her ignorance and lack of capacity to comprehend complex issues. She and Ford have a lot in common.  Lol 

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