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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Try to find out how much these people spend in Canada - it's paltry.  $6M overall for ALL foreign sources.  Leadnow spent about $135K in 2015.

 

Anti-Semite far-right white-pride types (yes, you are all the same to me sorry) will make bogeymen out of people who fund environmental causes but as usual they are being dishonest about the scale of influence.

God bless those white pride and proud people. All are just such great patriotic nationalist people. They despise those so called "educated" ones. Those so called liberal educated ones that create a problem and then try to pretend that they have an answer to solve the problem and will fix it all up. And then when those educated ones try and fix it all up they make things even worse. Those so called educated people can be such dumb azzes at most times. :D

 

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

What sort of communists you do trust?

None at all. How can anyone in their right mind want to be a communist or think that communism is great or would even join a communist party? If practiced it would probably be great but it never is. Once they take power slavery and dictatorship follows. History has shown us all the evil of communism. Yet the world still allows communist party's to exist. The funny thing is that the world will not allow a Nazi party to exist especially when we all should know by now that Nazism was a wuss compared to communism. The communists killed hundreds of millions of innocent citizen's and still do today. The world did not tolerate apartheid so why do they tolerate communism? Please explain that one to me. I doubt that you will. But go ahead. 

In Canada today the communist minded liberal and socialist party's are out to push communism on we the people. It was your dear leader prime mistake of Canada that bought out the media(Global/CTV/CBC)with your tax dollars so that anything the liberals say or do bad will not get reported. Stalin would be proud of our pro Pravda dear leader today. The pipeline will go nowhere in Canada as long as your dear leader is in power. Yes/no? 

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

None at all. How can anyone in their right mind want to be a communist or think that communism is great or would even join a communist party?

I don't know and I'm pretty sure Marx wondered the same thing too.  He said communism was an effect not a cause.  Social welfare is actually for the benefit of the rich.

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And the LIARS (Social Left) are censoring Right opinions and their reasoning is voting influence, etc.  That is such a bunch of Hog Wash.  When in fact it is foreign interests and politics taking advantage of socialist and environmental naive people who have no idea they are being used as pawns.

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39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't know and I'm pretty sure Marx wondered the same thing too.  He said communism was an effect not a cause.  Social welfare is actually for the benefit of the rich.

Marx was describing what he thought would be the inevitable conclusion to the historical dialectic of class warfare: the workers’ paradise.  We thought with the collapse of the Soviet Union and Fukuyama’s proclamation of “the end of history” that communism was debunked, but I think what we call capitalism is highly managed by the state.  Capitalism locally but the commanding heights of the economy remain in the hands of the state, though not exactly the vanguard of the proletariat.  It’s more like Oz shitting his pants behind a curtain.  

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1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Marx was describing what he thought would be the inevitable conclusion to the historical dialectic of class warfare: the workers’ paradise.

Like I said, an effect that followed a cause and an avoidable one at that.

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On 7/6/2019 at 12:07 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Try to find out how much these people spend in Canada - it's paltry.  $6M overall for ALL foreign sources.  Leadnow spent about $135K in 2015.

 

Anti-Semite far-right white-pride types (yes, you are all the same to me sorry) will make bogeymen out of people who fund environmental causes but as usual they are being dishonest about the scale of influence.

Six hundred million dollars to fund left wing anti-capitalist groups and anti-Conservative groups is not as easily dismissed as all that. That amount of money energizes such groups, helps them organize and expand, and every one of them is anti-conservative. Since they're activists, they would likely all have been involved in one way or another in that election against the Cosnervative Party. That's quite aside from the third parties which registered. Since getting election Trudeau has made it easier for activist groups to be involved in political activities, changing the rules which previously forbade that. It appears that the Left in Canada has a similar mindset to the Right in the United States in that foreign interference in elections is actually welcomed as long as it's on their side.

The number of third parties registered during the 2015 general election more than doubled, to 114 compared with 55, in the 2011 election. In total, the 114 third parties spent $6 million and many of those third parties were funded by California-and New York-based Tides Foundation — which is known in Canada for holding numerous anti-Canadian oil campaigns.

In 2015, Tides Foundation donated $1.5 million of U.S. money to Canadian third parties in the election year, according to the report.

A December 2015 Leadnow report, Defeating Harper, discusses how effective its campaign was in the 2015 general election. “The Conservatives were defeated in 25 out of 29 ridings, and . . .  in the seats the Conservatives lost, our recommended candidate was the winner 96 per cent of the time.”

Leadnow’s Defeat Harper report also states: “We selected target ridings with field teams run by paid Leadnow organizers . . .”

https://calgaryherald.com/news/national/new-report-alleges-outside-influence-in-canadas-2015-federal-election

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

Six hundred million dollars to fund left wing anti-capitalist groups and anti-Conservative groups is not as easily dismissed as all that. That amount of money energizes such groups, helps them organize and expand, and every one of them is anti-conservative. Since they're activists, they would likely all have been involved in one way or another in that election against the Cosnervative Party. That's quite aside from the third parties which registered. Since getting election Trudeau has made it easier for activist groups to be involved in political activities, changing the rules which previously forbade that. It appears that the Left in Canada has a similar mindset to the Right in the United States in that foreign interference in elections is actually welcomed as long as it's on their side.

The number of third parties registered during the 2015 general election more than doubled, to 114 compared with 55, in the 2011 election. In total, the 114 third parties spent $6 million and many of those third parties were funded by California-and New York-based Tides Foundation — which is known in Canada for holding numerous anti-Canadian oil campaigns.

In 2015, Tides Foundation donated $1.5 million of U.S. money to Canadian third parties in the election year, according to the report.

A December 2015 Leadnow report, Defeating Harper, discusses how effective its campaign was in the 2015 general election. “The Conservatives were defeated in 25 out of 29 ridings, and . . .  in the seats the Conservatives lost, our recommended candidate was the winner 96 per cent of the time.”

Leadnow’s Defeat Harper report also states: “We selected target ridings with field teams run by paid Leadnow organizers . . .”

https://calgaryherald.com/news/national/new-report-alleges-outside-influence-in-canadas-2015-federal-election

Trudeau is fast becoming a dictator in Canada. The mainstream leftist liberal media(Pravda)now belongs to the dictator and they will do whatever he says. Despite how people feel about The Rebel and Ezra Levant it is one of the last of the few conservative news outlets left in Canada that does give us the other side of the story. Minority groups are pretty much now running this country and are being pushed and are given plenty of our Canadian tax dollars to help towards fighting conservative people or groups or political party's. I believe that another five more years of king Trudeau and Canada will be no more as we once knew and grew up in. 

The pipeline has too many enemies and they will do whatever they can to stop it. Those commie demonstrators always get a slap on the wrist and there is no deterrent to stop them. They will not stop until some of them get thrown in jail for awhile or a heavy fine. Unfortunately, this will not happen until our leftist liberal appointed judges are removed from the bench that they sit their fat liberal azzes on and we can get some real conservative judges on the bench. Our problem is with the judges in this country who are very anti-conservative and anti-freedom of conservative speech. My opinion, of course. 

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On 7/6/2019 at 12:59 PM, taxme said:

The Koch brothers are no better than Soros. They all hate we the people and America. With those three it's all about money and power. Just saying. 

No kidding. But they are from different spectrum of political ideology as well. The Koch brothers have invested heavily into conservative and libertarian candidates, think tanks and campaigns. Whereas Soros has invested heavily (although less than the Koch brothers) towards socialist/liberal candidates and causes.

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On 6/28/2019 at 9:30 AM, eyeball said:

The secret is a falsehood that's based on a deception.  The following underscores the falsehood

 

 

This story belies the deception. 

The carbon neutral nonsense is like listening to the tobacco and asbestos industries saying they're not responsible for the manner by which customers use their products or the harm they cause.   Just because we're not the ones burning it doesn't make us any less responsible.  Making it available for burning in the first place should be cause enough for boycotting us.  

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All told, producing and processing tar sands oil results in roughly 14 percent more greenhouse gas emissions than the average oil used in the U.S. 

That's from your own article.

Now we are supposed to stop extracting our oil because it adds 14% more carbon to the atmosphere than US oil? And that's based on their own "stat". No thanks.

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28 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

No kidding. But they are from different spectrum of political ideology as well. The Koch brothers have invested heavily into conservative and libertarian candidates, think tanks and campaigns. Whereas Soros has invested heavily (although less than the Koch brothers) towards socialist/liberal candidates and causes.

 

Well, it is much too late to be bickering about American investment in Canada, regardless of political leanings.   Canada has been begging for American FDI (foreign direct investment) for over 50 years, and still wants more from the U.S. and abroad.  

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On 6/28/2019 at 9:30 AM, eyeball said:

The secret is a falsehood that's based on a deception.  The following underscores the falsehood

 

 

This story belies the deception. 

The carbon neutral nonsense is like listening to the tobacco and asbestos industries saying they're not responsible for the manner by which customers use their products or the harm they cause.   Just because we're not the ones burning it doesn't make us any less responsible.  Making it available for burning in the first place should be cause enough for boycotting us.  

Canada's CO2 emissions are puny by comparison to other countries. I'm not interested in defending Trudeau's tax grab or hurting our own economy to suit the US or anyone else.

You can cite whatever stat you want that was compiled by foreigners with their own agenda, and use their totals to increase our CO2 from 2% to 3% if you want. Our contribution is still puny.

And fyi those numbers are based on getting every drop of oil out of the oil sands and we can't get close to that.

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On 6/26/2019 at 7:22 PM, Argus said:

And planned and organized, according to Vivian Krause, who has been doing a lot of research tracing money to groups. So the question is, how do be ban such money coming in, and ban it being spent? We do not want moneyed foreign interests funding activism in Canada which may not even be in the interest of Canada or Canadians, but may instead serve the needs of foreign governments and corporations.

Krause – an independent researcher who has documented the funding of Canadian environmental groups by American philanthropic foundations – pointed out Texas’ oil production had more than doubled, and it is now exporting oil to 20 countries, but in Canada, there are protests against further oil and gas development.

“How is it that we got to this place? How is it that pipelines, of all things, are now a major election issue? We’re not talking about fentanyl, or drug prices,” she said. “What are we talking about? Pipelines? They used to be out of sight, out of mind. No one ever had a pub conversation, or dinner conversation, over pipelines. But now we do.

“This didn’t happen for no reason. It was planned. It was the intended outcome of a campaign, a campaign with a name,” Krause said, explaining she first stumbled on it eight years ago with three little words: “tar sands campaign.”

“I can go through every single court ruling that has slowed down or stopped all the pipeline projects, and there isn’t one single court ruling that has been brought about, that has not been funded. Every single court action slowing down these pipeline projects is part of this campaign,” she said.

https://biv.com/article/2019/06/anti-pipeline-campaign-was-planned-intended-and-foreign-funded-vivian-krause

I've heard that it's not just foreign oil producers that don't like pipelines, rail companies don't like them either. There's a lot of money in shipping oil via rail, and railway co's have big money to throw around. 

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1 hour ago, Hudson Jones said:

No kidding. But they are from different spectrum of political ideology as well. The Koch brothers have invested heavily into conservative and libertarian candidates, think tanks and campaigns. Whereas Soros has invested heavily (although less than the Koch brothers) towards socialist/liberal candidates and causes.

All billionaires give lots of their money to all political party's. That way what party is going to criticize them? If they do they will lose lots of money from those billionaires. All billionaires do is cover their asses and get plenty of protection from criticism and attacks. Political party's are just cannon fodder to them. 

Indeed, Soros does give plenty of his money to left wing communist groups of lieberal and socialists. Soros is actually more dangerous than the other two brother misfits. Soros is behind the Antifa communist thugs who he pays to go out there into the streets to create chaos and mayhem. Nevertheless, both are no doubt involved in the anti-pipeline movement. The pipeline in Canada is pretty much dead as well as Canada is today also. Canada has become a dumb and useless country being run and ruled and ruined by a bunch of useless politicians who have no interest in Canada or Canadians. Not all of them but most of them. 

Of course our politicians have and still do a lot of foreign aid funding themselves in the form of foreign aid which has run into the hundreds of billions if not trillions of our tax dollars which has been given to a bunch of foreign dictator and communist evil and cruel strangers for several decades now. Nevertheless, the pipeline in Canada is dead. Screw Alberta says Mr. Sorry and apologist your prime mistake of Canada. :rolleyes:

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3 minutes ago, taxme said:

 Screw Alberta says Mr. Sorry and apologist your prime mistake of Canada. :rolleyes:

Alberta deserves it though, all they do is whine and cry about something which is never going to go their way, instead of simply seceding from Confederation under the Clarity Act at which point it would be Alberta who had Canada by the balls.

So long as they insist on being suckers for Canadian Confederation instead of using the leverage as Quebec does, they deserve what they get.

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Canada's CO2 emissions are puny by comparison to other countries. I'm not interested in defending Trudeau's tax grab or hurting our own economy to suit the US or anyone else.

You can cite whatever stat you want that was compiled by foreigners with their own agenda, and use their totals to increase our CO2 from 2% to 3% if you want. Our contribution is still puny.

And fyi those numbers are based on getting every drop of oil out of the oil sands and we can't get close to that.

The people who are accepting their brainwashing by the anti global warming globalist deep state brain washers cannot seem to get it that we are all have carbon in our bodies. Without carbon humans, plants and animal life on earth would all die without carbon in the atmosphere. The fools who want less carbon are actually trying to commit their own genocide by trying to reduce carbon emissions to next to nothing. More carbon means more of a warm and tropical planet. Warm is better than cold because the colder the planet gets the less life and plants will be born or produced.

This global warming is nothing more than a tax grab. How does a country like Canada plans to cut back on global warming when they keep bringing in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year into Canada to help create more greenhouse emissions in Canada? The whole global warming is just another bunch of made up bull shit lies by the deep state globalist elite and nothing more. The deep state globalists are behind the global climate/anti-pipeline being built in Canada.    Source: NaturalNews website. 

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23 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Alberta deserves it though, all they do is whine and cry about something which is never going to go their way, instead of simply seceding from Confederation under the Clarity Act at which point it would be Alberta who had Canada by the balls.

So long as they insist on being suckers for Canadian Confederation instead of using the leverage as Quebec does, they deserve what they get.

Alberta could have been one of the wealthiest provinces in Canada. Albertan's have had hundreds of billions of their tax dollars stolen from them in the form of equalization payments to french controlled Ottawa and pro separatist Quebec for several decades now. There have been many separation political party's formed in Alberta over the past few decades but as usual Albertan's gave the finger to that idea. Now, like you said, they whine and still whine and do nothing about it but continue to take it up the ass by da Attawa. 13 billion of their tax dollars last year went in the form of equalization payments to da Attawa and Quebec to prop up those two communist controlled regimes. Imagine what the people of Alberta could have done with all those hundreds of billions that were stolen from Alberta had of remained in Alberta instead. The federal government is an organized crime family mob that steals whatever money it can from we the people and blows it on their pet liberal/socialist programs and agendas that have done not a bloody thing good for this once great nation. As I said already, it looks like the pipeline is dead. And with all of those useless bunch of politicians now on summer break the pipeline is really dead. The only good thing about this summer recess is that those politicians cannot do anymore harm or damage to Canada for now. After the next election it will just start all over again. Stop Alberta from getting it's pipeline. Aw well. What more can be said, eh?  

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6 minutes ago, taxme said:

Alberta could have been one of the wealthiest provinces in Canada. Albertan's have had hundreds of billions of their tax dollars stolen from them in the form of equalization payments to french controlled Ottawa and pro separatist Quebec for several decades now. 

13 billion of their tax dollars last year went in the form of equalization payments to da Attawa and Quebec to prop up those two communist controlled regimes. Imagine what the people of Alberta could have done with all those hundreds of billions that were stolen from Alberta had of remained in Alberta instead.  

A 'hardball' Premier of Alberta would refuse to remit transfer payments, carbon tax, etc. . . . . 

What would that parasite Ottawa do about it ?

Kick them out of Canada ?

Ottawa has no power if a province refuses to play their game.

What if every Albertan refused to remit 'Federal Tax Payable, gave the province 1/2 of that tax, and put the other 1/2 in their pockets ?

Every Albertan go to jail ?  I doubt it.

Alberta wouldn't need to vote to leave, they'd show it by their actions . . .

You're only a victim if you agree to play the victim role.

Ottawa needs a kick in the crotch . . . . this would do it.

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5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

A 'hardball' Premier of Alberta would refuse to remit transfer payments, carbon tax, etc. . . . . 

I think that you would need individuals and businesses to stop remitting taxes.  No responsible government will encourage lawlessness.

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46 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

A 'hardball' Premier of Alberta would refuse to remit transfer payments, carbon tax, etc. . . . . 

What would that parasite Ottawa do about it ?

Kick them out of Canada ?

Ottawa has no power if a province refuses to play their game.

What if every Albertan refused to remit 'Federal Tax Payable, gave the province 1/2 of that tax, and put the other 1/2 in their pockets ?

Every Albertan go to jail ?  I doubt it.

Alberta wouldn't need to vote to leave, they'd show it by their actions . . .

You're only a victim if you agree to play the victim role.

Ottawa needs a kick in the crotch . . . . this would do it.

But will Jason Kenney have the marbles to stand up to Quebec controlled Attawa and not hand over any more transfer payments? I kind of doubt it. The west has never had much marbles to try and take on da Attawa like Quebec has done so many times. Quebec is not afraid to take on da Attawa and use the notwithstanding clause if they feel like doing so. Alberta could do the same thing but like most Anglophone politicians in Canada, they are too afraid of da Attawa to do so. Quebec shits on the rest of Canada and gets away with it without a whimper from the other Anglophone provinces politicians. It's no wonder the people of Alberta get the shaft all the time from da Attawa. They do nothing about it. Just BMW(bitch,moan,whine)and that is about it. Albertan's whine more about what Trump is saying and doing rather than what this prime mistake of Canada is saying and doing to Canada and Alberta. 

So true. The victims in Alberta continue to play the victims game and role and whine about it without a fight. It is the people of Alberta that need a good kick in the crotch to wake the dummies up. :D

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32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that you would need individuals and businesses to stop remitting taxes.  No responsible government will encourage lawlessness.

Maybe it is time for those provincial "responsible governments" to encourage people to break the law for a change. When one is getting screwed and continually robbed of their money by the federal government then maybe it is time for some action from those provincial leaders. The federal government is one big thief. It steals tax dollars from Canadians and gives those tax dollars to the rest of the world without any Canadians permission. That is theft. Canada needs a tax revolt. It is long overdue. Any responsible provincial government that knows that their citizen's are getting fleeced by the federal government, like in equalization payments, then it is their duty to do something about it. Sad to say that it would appear as though most Anglophone politicians do not care about their citizen's tax dollars. If they did they would do something about it, especially Alberta. In Canada we appear to have only irresponsible politicians running and wrecking the Canadian show. When one is being robbed one does not just sit there and allow it to happen to them again and again. But this is what our provincial politicians are allowing to happen over and over again all of the time. If our politicians are born cowards well maybe then it is time for we the people to do something about it. Just my opinion of course.  

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6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's from your own article.

Now we are supposed to stop extracting our oil because it adds 14% more carbon to the atmosphere than US oil? And that's based on their own "stat". No thanks.

14% eh?  I've shown over and over again in this and other threads that our oil industry is under-reporting its emissions and that government regulators are too incompetent or vested to do anything about it.

As for not developing Tar Sands we should do that because...

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All you lickspittles are doing here is reflecting the virtue our oil industry and government signals when they pretend the CO2 produced by burning the worst lowest grade oil on the planet beyond our borders has nothing to do with us.

This is basically the same mentality I'd expect from someone who produces and promotes cigarettes, asbestos, LAVs or Fentanyl for a living.

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30 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

All this whining about Trudeau and the pipelines. How many pipelines did Harper get through during his decade of reign?

 

 

At least three pipelines...maybe more.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-trudeau-plain-wrong-about-harpers-pipeline-legacy

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