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After watch these video, I think many audience of mainstream media should go back to elementary school to re-learn the concept of "peaceful",  as well as "freedom", "democracy", "human right", "strike".....

Freedom means if you think you are politically correct, you can do what ever you want, include at the expense of other people's freedom and legal rights

Democracy means if you outnumber someone, you can illegally detain, tie up and beat him if he doesn't agree with you

 

Freedom of Speech means mainstream media reporters can interrupt host's speaking if they think she isn't politically correct. In short, freedom of speech means only the politically correct side has right of speech, and which side is politically correct is defined by mainstream media.

 

General Strike means a few who want the strike can block the doors of subway trains to prevent many others to go to work even if they obviously want to work.

 

 

Human Rights means those who are defined by mainstream media as politically correct side can arbitrarily interrupt other innocent people's legal rights

 

So it seems like these politically correct media reporters share the same universal value with Voldemort, the main antagonist in J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter Novels:

There is no good and evil. There is only power and those too weak to seek it....

 

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And Peaceful means "Not using suicide bombers.....yet"

 

But if you only watch BBC, CNN..., you needn't go back school to re-learn what peaceful means, because from their video, the protesters are truly peaceful...

 

The Power of Fake News: Goebbels's peaceful Nazi...

 

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I can't help but think this is going to end badly for Hong Kong.  China is a superpower, and the West is powerless to stop the country annexing Hong Kong.  Trump won't lift a finger if China uses military force to intervene in the conflict.  

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These are not protests anymore, as China is a tyrannical regime, it became unprecedented riots. And it's what the people of Hong Kong are willing to do to keep their freedom. China is willing to trample them, but it's costing them billions. The airport and many infrastructures were shut down for a few days, and Hong Kong is a major financial place in Asia.

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Didn't China promise to guarantee Hong Kong to keep its system at least until 2047? Not that some such promise really would count for anything but Still.

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8 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Didn't China promise to guarantee Hong Kong to keep its system at least until 2047? Not that some such promise really would count for anything but Still.

 

Seeing the British made this lease agreement with a government other than Mao's Commies, it was pure stupidity...or wishful thinking...that handing over Hong Kong to the Reds was a good idea.

The response should have been a middle finger...or handing Hong Kong over to Taiwan...same thing, I suppose.

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10 hours ago, J4L said:

I can't help but think this is going to end badly for Hong Kong.  China is a superpower, and the West is powerless to stop the country annexing Hong Kong.  Trump won't lift a finger if China uses military force to intervene in the conflict.  

It will get condemnation from world leaders, but I believe you will be proven correct on this matter.  Based on other nations that have invaded and taken over other nations over the past 20 years.  And according to some news articles,  China is prepping military on the border to Hong Kong.

 

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47 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

It will get condemnation from world leaders, but I believe you will be proven correct on this matter.  Based on other nations that have invaded and taken over other nations over the past 20 years.  And according to some news articles,  China is prepping military on the border to Hong Kong.

 

It will be a bloody mess, or the lesson of intimidation will be understood by the population beforehand, before the massacre begins. If there is a clash between the army and the people, Hong Kong will be the biggest butchery on Earth for a day or two.

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7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Seeing the British made this lease agreement with a government other than Mao's Commies, it was pure stupidity...or wishful thinking...that handing over Hong Kong to the Reds was a good idea.

The response should have been a middle finger...or handing Hong Kong over to Taiwan...same thing, I suppose.

I was saying the same thing to a British coworker the other day. "Did you think you could just wash your hands of it and walk away? Stupid British!" says I. He just looked at me with an astonished look on his face. Utterly gobsmacked.

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

I was saying the same thing to a British coworker the other day. "Did you think you could just wash your hands of it and walk away? Stupid British!" says I. He just looked at me with an astonished look on his face. Utterly gobsmacked.

 

I hated the very idea of handing Hong Kong to the damned Communists...just because.

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Violent protests play into the hands of the Xi and his gang who wish to suppress any call for liberty among their citizens. Although the outside world is powerless to stop such a clampdown, we should not stay quiet. Trump was wrong to dismiss this as an internal Chinese matter. The West must stand for a set of universal values or it will wither and die. 

Regarding the handover, I don’t think the British had much choice. One way or another the Chinese were going to take Hong Kong, something they made very clear to Thatcher. 

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Hundreds of alleged teachers marched to Carrie Lam's residence on Saturday. The Chinese words on the placards they hold are Protect Next Generation, Stop Police Violence.

This video clip may explain why most of those protesters who committed violence during the protests look like high school, college or university students.

 

By the way,  I find the mainstream media intentionally confuse Hong Kong police with Chinese police to fuel their "peaceful protesters vs brutal Chinese police" stories. Actually protests and anti-communist dissident (include those separatist who bear UK or US flags during protests) are legal in Hong Kong according One Country Two Systems system. The so-called police violence is just that the HK police was doing their job like their UK counterpart----I mean in Canada if you apply a rally or protest in Toronto but you match to Calgary and block many street during rush hours, Calgary policemen will also have to kick you asses out of streets, won't they?

If you see the way and music which Hong Kong police uses in their parade, you know they are more like their UK counterpart than their Chinese counterpart.

 

Compare with the Chinese style of military parade, you can see the difference:

 

 

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It is somewhat ironic that the PLA has adopted and proudly displays a completely western style of military uniform.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/army-uniforms.htm

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23 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It is somewhat ironic that the PLA has adopted and proudly displays a completely western style of military uniform.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/army-uniforms.htm

Not only uniform. Watch the video bellow, you will find that many elements of the design concept of the ship were borrowed from Arleigh Burke class.

But why not? It isn't ironic in military that you borrow some ideas from your counterparts, rivals and even enemies if they are useful to you. Admiral Chester W. Nimitz was sent to Germany to copy...lol...to learn diesel engines when he was a young junior officer. UK and American submariners copied Nazi submarine tactics so good that Hitler's successor Grand Admiral Karl Donitz was able to use it to get rid of some war crime charges in Nuremberg Trails. According to Guderian, when he was appointed as Inspector General of Armoured Troops, lots of German tank officers asked him why didn't German arm industry just simply copy Soviet T-34 tanks instead of spending time on developing new tanks. 

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On 8/17/2019 at 7:38 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

It is somewhat ironic that the PLA has adopted and proudly displays a completely western style of military uniform.

Here too...like our leaders they're probably just signalling whose side they're really on...their own.

 

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1 hour ago, xul said:

But why not? It isn't ironic in military that you borrow some ideas from your counterparts, rivals and even enemies if they are useful to you. Admiral Chester W. Nimitz was sent to Germany to copy

 

German Americans are the largest ethnic group in the U.S. population....long before WW2...Germany is considered a "western" nation.

It was the Americans and Commonwealth that helped China with a very big problem (Japanese Imperial Army & Navy).

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57 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

German Americans are the largest ethnic group in the U.S. population....long before WW2..

Since after1848, when they flooded into America fleeing the Revolution in Germany, much to the chagrin of the Temperance Lady.

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first of all, that 2 guys were Zhihu (something like people's daily) 's reporters, but they were living at the state security's dorm. ANyway, that is a clearly head giving. Then, the rumor is that that pc wanted to take sexual advances on a female protester. Those news reminded us the CPC 8964's dirty tactics. Then, somehow, Canadians know the truth

start at 57:00

https://omny.fm/shows/roy-green-show/global-news-ottawa-bureau-chief-on-rcmp-contacting

 

C'mon, , show us more "peaceful protest" in Hong Kong so that you can learn your 5 cents:rolleyes:

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Hi guys. Clearly Egg and X have a personal stake and appear on the different sides and part of me does not presume to tell Chinese what is good for them. I believe that the majority of people in HK we're brought up with a different approach to life and extent of gov. Intervention than mainlanders and do not want to be assimilated. I sympathize with their fears and X the attempts to play them all off as terrorist zombies is dumb. If you want to do that then it's fair to call you a mindless Borg. Please find out what the Borg are and know resistance is not futile. That would be illogical. Regards, Bones McCoy.

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On 8/18/2019 at 6:33 PM, Rue said:

Hi guys. Clearly Egg and X have a personal stake and appear on the different sides and part of me does not presume to tell Chinese what is good for them. I believe that the majority of people in HK we're brought up with a different approach to life and extent of gov. Intervention than mainlanders and do not want to be assimilated. I sympathize with their fears and X the attempts to play them all off as terrorist zombies is dumb. If you want to do that then it's fair to call you a mindless Borg. Please find out what the Borg are and know resistance is not futile. That would be illogical. Regards, Bones McCoy.

There were millions of Nazis but only a few of them had chance to wear SS swastika boots for kicking Jewish people's asses in concentration camps.Which doesn't mean the rest were good people. Being good people doesn't mean you never make mistake. BC2004 may vote for President Hitler merely because President Hitler promises to make America great again. Army Guy may vote for PM Hitler simply because PM Hitler has announced that he will buy thousands of warships, tanks and F-35 stealth fighter jets for Canadian military. Egghead may vote for General Hitler because General Hitler's black shirt mob army is the only thing on par with Carrie Lam's international police brigades.....But when this President/PM/General Hitler's crimes are revealed, you need to denounce his crime to prove that you are good people. So far, I haven't seen any peaceful protester denounces their violent comrade yet. So a peaceful Nazi was still a Nazi. I suppose Joseph Goebbels had never killed or even kicked any Jews in person. But he was the mastermind and instigator of those violent Nazis which makes him even worse than those violent ones. 

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Not that I subscribe to the idea that the National Socialists were particularly more egregious than the British and French Empires and their stalwart ally Mr. Stalin, but there is no such thing as a peaceful Nazi.   That being said, there were only 8.5 million Nazi party members at its zenith, so in fact the vast majority of Germans in Nazi Germany were not actually Nazis, rather, it was a ruling elite.

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Whether or not there were peaceful Nazi depends on how to define the meaning of peaceful. If we defined the term of peaceful as what the mainstream used to define it on reporting HK protests, which means if someone who doesn't holds a wood stick to beat others he is peaceful, the most of Nazis would be "peaceful" because there were 8.5 million Nazis in Germany but only a few of them had chance working for concentrate camps to beat Jewish prisoners.

But if we use common sense, those so-called peaceful Nazis were not peaceful at all. Though most of them didn't beat Jews or smash Jewish shops in person, but they did cheer to Hitler and Goebbels in Nazi rallies when these two claimed that Jews were responsible for the violence of those Nazi mobs. Look at those "peaceful" Nazis who saluted to those uniformed mob Nazis who were vandalizing Jewish shops in the document video below. They didn't do these crimes in person, but the Nazi salute to the mobs from them shows what they truly were.

Some of those so-called peaceful HK protesters just are the same of these so-called peaceful Nazis IMO. For example, in my 3rd post those teacher protesters looks like quite peaceful. But if you could read the Chinese words on the placards they held, which said "stop police violence, protect students", you would know they were no better than those so-called peaceful Nazis who saluted to mobs who vandalizing Jewish shops, since we all have seen  that their students were vandalizing subway stations and police officers were just using very restraint violence to stop them.

 

 But from some mainstream media, you only can see this:

So it is so peaceful,  isn't it?

But if you google the video clips which was deliberately edited off by mainstream media, you will find that intentionally blocking streets to disrupt other people's cars and buses using these streets,  is just like those Nazi mobs who formed a Nazi mob chain to block customers going into Jewish shops ,  isn't peaceful at all.

 

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There's no such thing as a peaceful Nazi because National Socialism is inherently violent by its nature.

The Nazis don't use force as a last resort, they use force as the only resort, because Nazism worships war as the end rather as a means to an end.

I didn't say I oppose violent revolution though depends on the cause.

I am bound not to wage violent revolution against my own sovereign, but only because I took the oath to serve Her of my own free will.

I have no sympathy for the Chinese Communists, I advocate war against them as a last resort, up to and including use of thermonuclear weapons in extremis.

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Nazis?  

More recently, I've considered how it is that China become such an economic powerhouse, and the answer is quite simply, the USA.  Or maybe it was Bill Clinton.  Below is part of a post I made elsewhere, and edited it somewhat for this thread.

  In the early 90's China started welcoming American companies into China to build factories and set up manufacturing, and everybody involved made tons of money, and you had to ask yourself, why was China suddenly allowing this?  And was Clinton a genius?

Fast forward 20 years, and it becomes clear that China was allowing this so that they could appropriate all kinds of tech, manufacturing know-how, and industry for themselves without actually having to develop it out of nothing like the rest of the world did.  Stealing tech, selling counterfeit products, supporting North Korea's nuclear ambitions, these were all warning signs that the rest of the world ignored until it started biting them in the ass, and at that point it was too late.

Oh, and by the way, looks like they are going to get a "better grip" on Hong Kong, is Taiwan next?  Also, in their tariff response to the US, they are specifically targeting swing states that Trump could lose.  How's that for interfering in an election?  If we didn't like Russian interference, we shouldn't like this, or else we are hypocrites.
 

In reality, there is nothing that can be done about Hong Kong unless war is on the table, and it's not.  The US has been scared of China since Viet Nam, and China has gotten slightly more dangerous since then.  They are going to do whatever the hell they feel like now, and nobody will do anything about it.  And you can thank Bill Clinton, George Bush and Obama for doing absolutely nothing about it as the storm clouds started forming.  

 

Trump is too late, but at least he's forced China to reveal some of their ambitions. 
 

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

There's no such thing as a peaceful Nazi because National Socialism is inherently violent by its nature.

The Nazis don't use force as a last resort, they use force as the only resort, because Nazism worships war as the end rather as a means to an end.

I didn't say I oppose violent revolution though depends on the cause.

I am bound not to wage violent revolution against my own sovereign, but only because I took the oath to serve Her of my own free will.

I have no sympathy for the Chinese Communists, I advocate war against them as a last resort, up to and including use of thermonuclear weapons in extremis.

So you think if it is for some noble cause like making Germany great again, using violent against innocent people to fuel the cause like what Nazi did to Jews  during and before ww2 is necessary sacrifice and acceptable? 

As for nuclear war, I think it would better for me for saving time to discuss it with someone else who is more knowledgeable like BC2004. Tough I sincerely suggest you to watch this video clip from Terminator Salvation: If you pointed a gun to someone, you'd be better ready to pull the trigger.

The problem of those brainless protesters is: they pointed their toy guns to CCP but ended up finding out these toys had no triggers at all. Now they are throwing five years old kids tantrum to their own people by vandalizing their city and pointing their ebay-purchased rayguns  to faces of their police officers to relieve their frustration.

 

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