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  No other country in the world is singled out like this, just a tad different.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34786607

We regret that the EU has chosen, for political reasons, to take such an exceptional and discriminatory step, inspired by the boycott movement, particularly at this time, when Israel is confronting a wave of terrorism targeting any and all of its citizens," Israel's foreign ministry said, referring to a recent wave of stabbings of Israelis by Palestinians.

"It is puzzling and even irritating that the EU chooses to apply a double standard concerning Israel, while ignoring that there are over 200 other territorial disputes worldwide."

Interesting that the French gov’t had already implemented this but had to suspend it due  to a lawsuit.  France adopted this In 2016,  along with other countries, but the EU had no way to punish countries that refused to add the labels.   https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-government-suspends-demand-for-west-bank-product-labeling/

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Ironic, considering European Countries and the UN looked the other way when Arab Countries ethnically cleansed nearly 1,000,000 Sephardi Jews from North Africa and the Middle East in the aftermath of the 1948 War Of Independence. 

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11 hours ago, J4L said:

Shady's comparison was fair, and historically accurate.  

What is historically accurate about a projection/assumption?

18 hours ago, Shady said:

But you’re cool with products/services produced on what some consider native land but exported as Canadian.

 

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9 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

What is historically accurate about a projection/assumption?

 

You do not see the parallels between Jews returning to Israel and overtaking Palestinian land, and Europeans arriving in Canada, an overtaking First Nations land?

Instead of boycotting Israel, perhaps you should look in the mirror, and clean your own back yard.  Considering most countries are or have been guilty of the exact same thing that Israel is guilty of, maybe boycott buying any good, and move to Northern BC, and live in a remote cabin with no electricity.

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1 hour ago, J4L said:

You do not see the parallels between Jews returning to Israel and overtaking Palestinian land, and Europeans arriving in Canada, an overtaking First Nations land?

Instead of boycotting Israel, perhaps you should look in the mirror, and clean your own back yard.  Considering most countries are or have been guilty of the exact same thing that Israel is guilty of, maybe boycott buying any good, and move to Northern BC, and live in a remote cabin with no electricity.

 

The whole Palestinian Cause relies on the hope that Westerners simply do not remember the history of the region.

Mufti? What Mufti? What's a Mufti??

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6 hours ago, J4L said:

You do not see the parallels between Jews returning to Israel and overtaking Palestinian land, and Europeans arriving in Canada, an overtaking First Nations land?

Instead of boycotting Israel, perhaps you should look in the mirror, and clean your own back yard.  Considering most countries are or have been guilty of the exact same thing that Israel is guilty of, maybe boycott buying any good, and move to Northern BC, and live in a remote cabin with no electricity.

Alright, reading comprehension is not your strong point. It's not about the parallels, it's about Shady assumption/projection.

 

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13 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Alright, reading comprehension is not your strong point. It's not about the parallels, it's about Shady assumption/projection.

 

Insulting ones character is a sign of weakness. ,:)

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On 8/16/2019 at 4:19 PM, Goddess said:

....For many Western supporters of Islam, freedom of speech must take a backseat to Muslims feeling offended.  I don't think they have fully thought this through to its logical end.  Freedom of speech has allowed religion to be criticized - rightly so.  Sharia law insists that Islam is not to be criticized and to do so means death.  A lot of mainstream media is towing the Islamic line.

It's interesting to watch how every time there's a major terrorist act, the media is quick to call in the "backlash ploy." - innocent Western Muslims suddenly fear a "backlash" - neatly  shifting focus away from real acts of violence against non-Muslims by Muslims, to imaginary acts of violence, again making Muslims the victims in even the terrorism they themselves commit.  Victimhood is huge in Islam.

This is what the Palestinians are doing.

Right on.    It's the suppression of speech which favours Islam and that people do perceive what is happening as towing the Islamic line.  They see double standards regularly where any other religion can be attacked with impunity with no reprisals.   

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On 8/18/2019 at 1:56 AM, J4L said:

Insulting ones character is a sign of weakness. ,:)

Attributing something to someone which was not said by that person is also weakness. That's what Shady did, and that is what you failed to comprehend.

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From the Babylonbee

https://babylonbee.com/news/ilhan-omar-withdraws-support-from-bill-to-save-the-earth-after-learning-thats-where-israel-is

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal hit a snag when it lost the support of another freshman representative, Ilhan Omar. Omar had been an enthusiastic supporter of the Green New Deal and wanted to save the earth, but then she noticed something very disturbing when looking at a map of the earth: Earth is the planet on which Israel resides.

“You’ve been hypnotized by the Jews!” Omar accused a surprised Ocasio-Cortez. Omar then ripped up a copy of the Green New Deal. “This is just a plot to help Israel keep existing! Did AIPAC pay you off?”

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On 8/19/2019 at 11:01 AM, scribblet said:

From the Babylonbee

https://babylonbee.com/news/ilhan-omar-withdraws-support-from-bill-to-save-the-earth-after-learning-thats-where-israel-is

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal hit a snag when it lost the support of another freshman representative, Ilhan Omar. Omar had been an enthusiastic supporter of the Green New Deal and wanted to save the earth, but then she noticed something very disturbing when looking at a map of the earth: Earth is the planet on which Israel resides.

“You’ve been hypnotized by the Jews!” Omar accused a surprised Ocasio-Cortez. Omar then ripped up a copy of the Green New Deal. “This is just a plot to help Israel keep existing! Did AIPAC pay you off?”

Um.....

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Things BDS supporters like...

#1 Hitler...he was a good man...keen on killing the Jews and bringing about the Judenfrei state run by the al-Husseini Clan in British Palestine.

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Total/hitler.mufti.htm

I mean...what's not to like? The Third Reich and BDS...hand in hand through history.

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2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

So what was the point of using a satire piece without indicating it is a satire piece?

Just forgot or missed it, so what...   it's easily identifiable as satire, no one would believe it really.

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On August 16, 2019 at 8:56 AM, scribblet said:

Yes, if it it's in good faith and your end game is not the destruction of Israel.

Wanting Israel to stop taking from Palestine, is not about the destruction of Israel. What about when Israel's end game, is the destruction of Palestine? Do you feel it is anti-Semitic to speak on that??? A few insane members here feel that way/no need to mention the usual suspects either.

 

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When Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Six-Day War, no Israeli citizens had lived in the territory for nearly two decades, since an earlier war. But in 1968, a small group of religious Jews rented rooms at the Park Hotel in Hebron for Passover, saying they wanted to be near the Tomb of the Patriarchs, one of the holiest sites in Judaism (as well as Islam and Christianity).

The Israeli government reluctantly allowed them to stay "temporarily." From that beginning, hundreds of thousands of Israeli Jews now reside in the West Bank, citing religion, history and Israel's security among their reasons for being there.

But the Palestinians, along with the rest of the world, see their presence as one of the key obstacles to a peace agreement and the creation of a Palestinian state.

The issue returned to the headlines when the United Nations Security Council recently voted 14 to 0 to condemn Israeli settlements. The United States, which often vetoes resolutions critical of Israel, abstained and allowed the resolution to pass.

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded angrily, unleashing a stream of accusations against the Obama administration. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry defended the U.S. position Wednesday in a lengthy speech that repeatedly admonished Israel over settlements.

Here are seven key things to know about the settlements:

1. Settlements are growing rapidly

The term "settlements" may conjure up images of small encampments or temporary housing, and many have started that way. But they now include large subdivisions, even sizable cities, with manicured lawns and streets full of middle-class villas often set on arid hilltops. Israel is constantly building new homes and offers financial incentives for Israelis to live in the West Bank.

When the Israelis and Palestinians first began peace talks after a 1993 interim agreement, the West Bank settlers numbered a little over 100,000. Today they total around 400,000 and live in about 130 separate settlements (this doesn't include East Jerusalem, which we'll address in a moment).

They have grown under every Israeli government over the past half-century despite consistent international opposition. Hard-line leaders like Netanyahu have actively supported them. Moderates and liberals have also allowed settlements to expand, though usually at a slower rate. The settler movement is a powerful political force, and any prime minister who takes it on risks the collapse of his government.

You can click here to see data on the settlements and a detailed map from Peace Now, an Israeli group that is opposed to settlements and closely monitors them.

2. Settlements complicate efforts for a two-state solution

Critics of settlements say they've intentionally been established in every corner of the West Bank, giving the Israeli military a reason to be present throughout the territory and making it impossible to create a viable Palestinian state. The settlement locations and the roads that connect them make Palestinian movement difficult.

The settlements are just one of many obstacles to a peace deal. Drawing boundaries, the status of Jerusalem, the fate of Palestinian refugees, and myriad security questions — including terrorism — are equally challenging, if not more so.

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A Palestinian man walks near a construction site for new Israeli housing in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Har Homa in September. The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as a capital of a future state and object to Israeli building in the eastern part of the city and throughout the West Bank. Israel claims all of Jerusalem as its capital.

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And as the settlements grow, it will be increasingly difficult to remove a large number of them, a tactic known as "creating facts on the ground."

3. The distinction between East Jerusalem and the West Bank

Shortly after the 1967 war, Israel annexed East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank and had a population that was then entirely Palestinian. Israel declared the entire city to be Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital.

No other country recognizes Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem, with the United States and others saying the city's status must be determined in negotiations. This is why the U.S. and other countries have never moved their embassies to Jerusalem. Most are in Tel Aviv.

The Palestinians, meanwhile, claim the eastern part of the city as their future capital.

Around 200,000 Israelis now live in East Jerusalem. Combined with the roughly 400,000 settlers in the West Bank, about 600,000 Israelis now live beyond the country's 1967 borders. That's nearly 10 percent of Israel's 6.3 million Jewish citizens.

While the Israelis tend to speak of East Jerusalem and the West Bank as two separate entities, the Palestinians regard them as a single body — the occupied West Bank.

4. What does Israel say about settlements?

The settlers and their supporters cite the Jewish Bible, thousands of years of Jewish history, and Israel's need for "strategic depth" as reasons for living in the West Bank.

They also note that Israel took the territory from Jordan, which has since relinquished its claim to the West Bank. Therefore, the settlers argue, there is no legal sovereign in the territory.

However, no country, not even Israel, considers West Bank settlements to be sovereign Israeli territory. As we noted, Israel annexed East Jerusalem and administers it as part of Israel. But Israel has never annexed any other part of the West Bank.

The settlers want to be formally incorporated into Israel, but that would ignite a major controversy. For now, Israel regards the West Bank as "disputed" territory that has been under the Israeli military since the 1967 war.

5. How about the Palestinians?

From some Palestinian cities, there are clear views of Israeli settlements — and new construction — on nearby hillsides. And in most settlement neighborhoods, there are wide areas of empty hillside closed to Palestinians, which Israel says are necessary buffers for security.

Palestinians see them as visual proof that their sought-after independent state is being taken from them. Palestinian leaders have opposed peace talks in recent years while, as they see it, Israel is building on land that is part of those talks.

6. Has Israel ever dismantled settlements?

Yes, on a few occasions, most notably in 2005, when it removed all 8,000 settlers from the Gaza Strip. Israel decided these small, isolated settlements were too difficult to defend in a territory where the Jewish residents accounted for less than 1 percent of the population.

The evacuation of the settlements was deeply divisive within Israel, and Israel's security forces had to drag some settlers from their homes kicking and screaming. The episode demonstrated that Israel could remove settlers, but it also showed how much friction it creates inside Israel.

 

Can you cite any pro-Israel source, which speaks truth about illegal settlements? And if the image below paints a non-fiction picture, then do you feel there is everything wrong/you feel everything is right, with what the Palestinians are left to live with??

 

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