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11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

No, because the Communists were never liberalizing and they did not become capitalists.

They need money and technology for the PLA so they could close the gap with the US military.

The Communists were never worried about the masses overthrowing them because the masses were too poor, because that never happens.

The Communists know that revolutions happen when the masses get a taste of freedom and those revolutions are led by elites like the Jacobins.

So now that they have closed the gap with the Americans to the point where the Americans are deterred, now Stalin is back and he's killed off the Jacobins and cracking down on the masses.

This may someday lead to a shooting war with the Americans, but the Chinese can't beat them economically, because there will never be a Flight to Quality to Communist Beijing.

Nixon won the Cold War by opening the door to China, but he also opened the door to the next Cold War while he did it.

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12 hours ago, egghead said:

HK people need our help :rolleyes:

 

I am sorry, I cannot sign the petition. It would be un-patriotic as a Canadian.

Our PM admires the Chinese dictatorship,     ;)

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

No, because the Communists were never liberalizing and they did not become capitalists.

They need money and technology for the PLA so they could close the gap with the US military.

The Communists were never worried about the masses overthrowing them because the masses were too poor, because that never happens.

The Communists know that revolutions happen when the masses get a taste of freedom and those revolutions are led by elites like the Jacobins.

So now that they have closed the gap with the Americans to the point where the Americans are deterred,  Stalin is back and he's killed off the Jacobins and he's cracking down on the masses.

This may someday lead to a shooting war with the Americans, but the Chinese can't beat them economically, because there will never be a Flight to Quality to Communist Beijing.

China's current communism is not your grandfather (Lenin, Stalin ...) communism. It is capitalism + slaverism. 

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2 minutes ago, egghead said:

China's current communism is not your grandfather (Lenin, Stalin ...) communism. It is capitalism + slaverism. 

The capitalism is mere front companies, it's the same old Communism re-branded. Don't be fooled by a different brand name on the same product. The Chinese wouldn't know what a free market was if it slapped them in the face.

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Nixon won the Cold War by opening the door to China, but he also opened the door to the next Cold War while he did it.

Ya, China almost bought the F-16 too. :lol:

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Nixon won the Cold War, but he also opened the door to the next Cold War while he did it.

Nixon beat the Soviets, that's who the Cold War was with, Nixon figured out that the Domino Theory was bullshit and so he was able to exploit another cold war between the Communists themselves, Moscow v. Beijing.

Beijing was and is still the Communists, and certainly Nixon never said that they weren't.

But that's why the PRC is not now and never was trying to beat America head to head on America's terms.  

The PRC, being Communists, will try to beat them on Communist terms, which means not even fighting the Americans if that can be avoided.

Rather, in Communist fashion, they plan to take over the rest of the world, slowly but surely, until the Americans are encircled by Communism. 

Whether that is actually going to work or not is neither here nor there, Communists believe that it will work, that's why they're Communists.

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2 minutes ago, egghead said:

China's current communism is not your grandfather (Lenin, Stalin ...) communism. It is capitalism + slaverism. 

It's not Lenin's Communism, but it is Stalin's Communism, Stalin called it Socialism In One Country.

Basically the World Socialist Revolution has to be put off until the Communists are strong enough to beat the Imperialists.

In the meantime, any means can be employed to prepare for that day,  and in fact the Soviets were propped up by US dollars too.

The Soviets sold oil to get their US dollars to pay for the Soviet military, the Chinese have been selling cheap labour to get US dollars to pay for the People's Liberation Army.

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11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Nixon beat the Soviets, that's who the Cold War was with, Nixon figured out that the Domino Theory was bullshit and so he was able to exploit another cold war between the Communists themselves, Moscow v. Beijing.

Beijing was and is still the Communists, and certainly Nixon never said that they weren't.

But that's why the PRC is not now and never was trying to beat America head to head on America's terms.  

The PRC, being Communists, will try to beat them on Communist terms, which means not even fighting the Americans if that can be avoided.

Rather, in Communist fashion, they plan to take over the rest of the world, slowly but surely, until the Americans are encircled by Communism. 

Whether that is actually going to work or not is neither here nor there, Communists believe that it will work, that's why they're Communists.

Like I say, Communists buy their own press releases and believe in the Domino Theory, which is why Eisenhower and America bought into the Domino Theory in the first place, they took the Commies at their word instead of examining reality and realizing it was mere wishful thinking on the Commies part, because they were too worried about an obviously faulty plan succeeding.

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Like I say, Communists buy their own press releases and believe in the Domino Theory, which is why the West bought into the Domino Theory in the first place, they took the Commies at their word instead of examining reality and realizing it was mere wishful thinking on the Commies part.

The whole Belt and Road blah blah blah is classically Communist and centrally planned.  The Commies are still huffing their own glue.

Still dangerous though, because not being capitalist free marketeers, they are still prone to centrally planning themselves into a confrontation, be that in Cuba or the East China Sea.

 

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The other thing that is making China retrench and dig in for war;  is India, India is closing the gap on them, with India they have a border dispute flashpoint, India is expanding its nuclear arsenal precipitously to challenge the Chinese, and India is forming an alliance with Japan to box China in.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

The other thing that is making China retrench and dig in for war;  is India, India is closing the gap on them, with India they have a border dispute flashpoint, India is expanding its nuclear arsenal precipitously to challenge the Chinese, and India is forming an alliance with Japan to box China in.

Good for India and Japan, stick it to those Chicom bastards. Indo-Japanese Alliance FTW.

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Good for India and Japan, stick it to those Chicom bastards.

Well the problem always becomes accidental nuclear war if/when you back them into a corner and they don't come with Mikhail Gorbachev but instead panic and do something stupid.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Well the problem always becomes accidental nuclear war if/when you back them into a corner and they don't come with Mikhail Gorbachev but instead panic and do something stupid.

Chinese Gorbachev would be pretty sweet. No need to back them into a corner though, containment works, just don't go chasing phantom dominoes.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Chinese Gorbachev would be pretty sweet. No need to back them into a corner though, containment works, just don't go chasing phantom dominoes.

Problem being vectors beyond the control of the Americans, the Americans can contain, India and Japan can't contain, so they have to be more aggressive.

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Problem being vectors beyond the control of the Americans, the Americans can contain, India and Japan can't contain, so they have to be more aggressive.

How would they even back China into a corner? How does China back them into a corner?

Lay out the basics of this geopolitical fault line.

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FCO the foreign commonwealth office of UK claims that an UK consular employee named Simon Cheng may be detained during "protests". 


Translation for sheeps: "Our agent is captured while provoking the so-called protests."

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3 hours ago, Altai said:

FCO the foreign commonwealth office of UK claims that an UK consular employee named Simon Cheng may be detained during "protests". 


Translation for sheeps: "Our agent is captured while provoking the so-called protests."

The rumor is that Simon Cheng was detained at the the west kowloon station's China border when he returned from a "business trip." He was In China.

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10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

How would they even back China into a corner? How does China back them into a corner?

Lay out the basics of this geopolitical fault line.

It's all about the nukes.   Nuclear weapons are asymmetrical, one thermonuclear bomb has the persuasive power of whole armies and navies at your gates.

The fault lines are at sea.  Strategic power comes from the sea.  Control of Sea Lines of Communications.   All economies are totally reliant on those SLOCs

Take one nuclear attack submarine, that alone can cut your SLOC's. The mere presence of it somewhere in your waters will cause merchant seaman to stay away.

If that is backed up by a strategic thermonuclear deterrent, presto, you are backed into a corner at the brink of nuclear war.

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Like I always say, the time to start digging your bomb shelter is when one nuclear hegemon comes head to head with another on the high seas, and somebody puts a torpedo under a keel.

The First World War was a sea war; naval blockade.

The Second World War was a sea war; counter blockade.

Nothing has changed that, World War Three will be a sea war too.

If/When one hegemon imposes a naval blockade on another; buckle up.

Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis?  Naval blockade of Cuba.

DEFCON 5 to DEFCON 2,  after only 13 days of blockade.

The reason there hasn't been a nuclear confrontation since 1962 has nothing to do with Mutual Vulnerability (MAD)

MAD is a theory, cooked up by Robert McNamara and the Best & Brightest, who were wrong about everything.

MAD is just to let people sleep at night, but it's a correlation causation fallacy.

The reason there hasn't been a nuclear confrontation since 1962, is because there hasn't been a nuclear armed blockade since 1962.

Almighty, Almighty, this is TACAMO, how copy?

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8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Avoiding blockades of nuclear powers is the name of the game, makes sense.

In the case of the Americans they are not likely to blockade the Chinese, the Chinese are not likely to blockade the Americans neither.

That's why India is the wildcard, what India and China might do along their fault lines is more volatile, and not under the control of the Americans as Hegemon.

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13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

In the case of the Americans they are not likely to blockade the Chinese, the Chinese are not likely to blockade the Americans neither.

That's why India is the wildcard, what India and China might do along their fault lines is more volatile, and not under the control of the Americans as Hegemon.

India has better "made in russia" toys and is recklessly impoving their mountain Division. If China wants to make an example, Vietnam is a better choice.

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On 8/19/2019 at 1:17 PM, egghead said:

HK people need our help :rolleyes:

 

In 1975, when these Vietnamese US-collaborators needed help....

 

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In fairness, that was the fourth straight offensive launched by Le Duan, and the Americans had already expended 58,148 killed, 304,000 wounded, out of 2.7 million troops deployed, downrange.

I'd say the Americans made the good faith effort, usque ad finem, until Le Duan simply defeated them in the area of operations MAC-V, though not further than that.

Strategic withdrawal, from a lost cause economy of force operation on the flanks, to husband forces and prepare for World War Three on the Central Front in Europe.

The Soviets having used Detente to close the gap with the Americans and at that point imposing an existential threat to the CONUS for the first time in the Cold War.

In 1962, the Soviets lacked the firepower and reach to destroy the CONUS.

By 1975, having deployed the Delta class SSBN, which put them in striking range with enough firepower, perhaps in a counterforce, they were in a position do so.

Thus the Americans shifted from Hearts & Minds in Indochina, back to the Inner German Border, stand to, stand to.

The Soviet response was to deploy Intermediate Nuclear Forces to the European theater.  This incited an escalation to the brink once again.

Peaking round about 1983, abating when the Soviets sought to negotiate in 1986, and dissipating with the collapse of the Iron Curtain in 1989.

 

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