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Came across this story on the web. Haven't seen it anywhere else. It seems the Liberals have done a deal with China to let them build the LNG pipelines in BC

 so no one has to hire many expensive Canadian workers to do the job.

MARKHAM, Ontario, Aug. 20, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- The federal government announced on August 9, 2019, that it will be granting full duty remissions on illegally dumped fabricated steel from China to supply two liquid natural gas (LNG) projects located in British Columbia. Their recent action was announced with their assurance that “trade barriers would not be permitted to stand in the way of these historic private sector investments”.

The two projects involved are LNG Canada and Woodfibre LNG, both located on the coast of B.C. The partners in LNG Canada are made up of a consortium of investors of which include China. These two LNG projects will be modularized, meaning they will be built in smaller shippable pieces with all the equipment and components preinstalled. The modules will be connected on site, requiring very few construction workers. Essentially, in doing so, the largest project ever in the history of Canada will be handed over to Chinese businesses and workers.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/liberal-government-hands-42-billion-140354941.html

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Great....more Chinese guys with suitcases stuffed full of cash buying-up property for imported workers.

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Wait a minute, isn't this capitalism at it's best?  Anyone else notice how whiny right-wingers sound when they finally start noticing stuff that lefties have been pointing out for decades?

That said count on conservatives to freak-out at the thought of outlawing the sort of in-camera lobbying that would prevent politicians from making the world so safe and accommodating for the likes of LNG Canada.  The stupid morons imagine that wanting to listen in on what politicians and lobbyists are discussing in secret is an attack on everyone's right to free speech.  Its bizarre.

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7 hours ago, eyeball said:

  Anyone else notice how whiny right-wingers sound when they finally start noticing stuff that lefties have been pointing out for decades?

I generally agree with lefties as to what the problems are, the disagreement is as to the solutions.  Lefties hearts are in the right place, but their heads are delusional.

The lefties are all about central planning, which is folly, folly which brings the lefties down too in the end.

The lefties are want to impose a racist apartheid police state sociopathic criminally abusive national helicopter parent government upon us, I cannot follow where they insist on going.

The fact that they are selling everybody down the river the Communist Chinese in Beijing is par for the course.

Canada is dangerous, it needs to be kept in a cage.

No matter how much you tell it to be humane, do no harm, it can't help itself, if you let it out of its cage,  all it will do is go around stomping on people with its RCMP High Brown Strathcona jackboots

 

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3 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

We should tariff the hell out of China and find new trade partners.

A tariff is just a tax on you, it doesn't harm the Chinese, they can just lower their currency to compensate, while turning around and simply blocking Canadian goods from entering China by decree rather than tariff.

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3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The lefties are want to impose a racist apartheid police state sociopathic criminally abusive national helicopter parent government upon us, I cannot follow where they insist on going.

You do realize you're certifiably nuts right?  It's a wonder you can even follow your own train of thought. 

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6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You do realize you're certifiably nuts right?  It's a wonder you can even follow your own train of thought. 

The left does want to impose that, they just think it will help, because they are severely misguided.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

You do realize you're certifiably nuts right?  It's a wonder you can even follow your own train of thought. 

That's all Canada is.

If there is anything of any use to me at all in terms of governance, it is delivered by the Province of Ontario.

If I separate off what Canadian Confederation is above that, it's basically a giant Rhodesia.

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10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The left does want to impose that, they just think it will help, because they are severely misguided.

Well, I'm a lefty and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.  I have a copy of just about every fatwa that's been issued since I joined Homer Stevens UFAWU and I don't recall anything remotely like installing a;
 

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...racist apartheid police state sociopathic criminally abusive national helicopter parent government...?

 

Are you idiots stoned on glue or something?

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

Are you idiots stoned on glue or something?

The Indian Act, RCMP paramilitary policing, warrantless surveillance, corrupt elites engaged in graft, overweening nanny state, thought policing totalitarianism, selling everybody down the river to the Communists in Beijing,  the Confederation is rotten to the core, the provinces are salvageable, but Canada is a de facto banana republic inciting chaos and lawlessness.

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25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, I'm a lefty and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

That's because you are misguided and think central planned boondoggles are a good idea, when it actually holds Canada back, and you don't see the obvious downsides. You don't realize what you are actually imposing, because you are too busy focusing on good intentions instead of good results, and are paving the road to hell while you do it.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

That's because you are misguided and think central planned boondoggles are a good idea, when it actually holds Canada back, and you don't see the obvious downsides.

The boondoggles wouldn't be so bad, if the centralization of power to enact those boondoggles wasn't rendering Canada into a banana republic in all respects.

They've removed probable cause from searches, not just on the highway, they can come to your home and search to, no probable cause.  Canadians just shrug.  It's bizzaro world.

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9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The boondoggles wouldn't be so bad, if the centralization of power to enact those boondoggles wasn't rendering Canada into a banana republic in all respects.

They've removed probable cause from searches, not just on the highway, they can come to your home and search to, no probable cause.  Canadians just shrug.  It's bizzaro world.

Turns out lefties put far too much faith in the effectiveness of centralized power to produce desirable results, who knew?

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Turns out lefties put far too much faith in the effectiveness of centralized power to produce desirable results, who knew?

They just cling to the government as being the arbiter of all things, the idea that government should be limited lest it run amok, which lefties used to recognize as being a menace, in Canada they have completely jettisoned that, they basically want communism, nothing short of communism will satisfy the left in Canada naow.

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Like, Peace, Order and Good Governance has become Orwellian.

A militarized apartheid state inciting disorder in order to prop up a governance which openly admits, live on tv, that it is criminal.

The Prime Minister of Canada not only conceded that he was a criminal, he said he was proud to be a criminal.

Ontario bribing Quebec with Alberta's money can justify anything, it's literally chaos.

The tariffs are nonsense, just a tax on Canadians, doesn't harm the Chinese, lowering tariffs is a good thing, criminal governance is the problem.

Protectionism is not protection against Beijing, it's a $12.5 trillion economy, Canadian tariffs have no effect on them.

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I don't understand all of the animosity towards China.

The "right" seems to despise China because they are successful and we sit here with far more resources per capita than ANY other country and we are just scraping by.  We have been awash in a sea of cheap gas for more than a decade now, and anyone who has a half a clue realizes that China needs a HELL of a lot of gas, but it needs to get there as LNG (that in Asia is priced against a factor of petroleum energy equivalence) thus worth orders of magnitude more than it is worth in a pipeline in Canada.  All you need to do is build an LNG plant, buy cheap gas out of the pipeline at North American prices, liquify it, ship it to China a make a crapload of cash.  So, where was the "right wing" business community of Canada for the last decade when this opportunity was first there?   We are too lazy/stupid/'chickenshit to get off of our ass and do it, so why bitch about the Chinese doing what simply has to be done????

The animosity from the left side is even more peculiar.  China is the real deal, a Communist dictatorship that has the sense to not only tolerate, but promote private business.  We spend all of our effort virtue signalling, importing everyone else's trash and problems, subsidizing everyone and everything out there, racking up stunning amounts of debt, but Chico simply sends their people to work and watches them make gazillion$$$.

 

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5 hours ago, eyeball said:

My animosity is focused on two things, China's dictatorship and not doing any business with it at all.

Sorry to generalize: but your attitude is shared between left and right: cut off your news to spite your face.  We decided we were too important to work for a living, and we could all live off of speculation, so just gave our jobs and business to China who don't share such high and mighty dillusions.

In the real world, long term, your/our success and sustainability economically means being competitive producers and traders.

As far as dictatorship goes:  careful what you wish for.  Socialist style government is one way to get there. (granted, not the only).  It can start with the erosion of personal rights, freedoms and responsibility when socialists give that power to the state, and at some point the state can simply do WTF it wants (think of SNC case, for a good example)

 

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It always goes down well when the Government treats it's own citizens like second class citizens, while importing foreign labour or materials, when it's good for a companies bottom line:

 

For example, Demosten said, he and other workers were horrified when a foreign worker took a blow torch to a propane tank to defrost it. Others intervened to prevent an explosion.

"That would probably have killed him and hurt people around him. That's the kind of things these people are doing," said Demosten.

 
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Johnny Demosten and Leslie Jennings, journeyman ironworkers in the oilsands, go public about temporary foreign workers hired by Saipem Canada to work at the Husky Sunrise site. (CBC)

The tradesmen also claim several Canadians with better qualifications have been passed over for jobs, while foreign workers from Europe continued to show up.

 "We had probably 60 ironworkers come to take the jobs from Canadians," said Jennings.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/canadians-expose-foreign-worker-mess-in-oilsands-1.2750730

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9 hours ago, cannuck said:

I don't understand all of the animosity towards China.

The "right" seems to despise China because they are successful and we sit here with far more resources per capita than ANY other country and we are just scraping by.  We have been awash in a sea of cheap gas for more than a decade now, and anyone who has a half a clue realizes that China needs a HELL of a lot of gas, but it needs to get there as LNG (that in Asia is priced against a factor of petroleum energy equivalence) thus worth orders of magnitude more than it is worth in a pipeline in Canada.  All you need to do is build an LNG plant, buy cheap gas out of the pipeline at North American prices, liquify it, ship it to China a make a crapload of cash.  So, where was the "right wing" business community of Canada for the last decade when this opportunity was first there?   We are too lazy/stupid/'chickenshit to get off of our ass and do it, so why bitch about the Chinese doing what simply has to be done????

The animosity from the left side is even more peculiar.  China is the real deal, a Communist dictatorship that has the sense to not only tolerate, but promote private business.  We spend all of our effort virtue signalling, importing everyone else's trash and problems, subsidizing everyone and everything out there, racking up stunning amounts of debt, but Chico simply sends their people to work and watches them make gazillion$$$.

I don't care about the Canadian fake job economy.

The Canadian economy is moribund because the government cripples it by protectionism of narrowly vested entrenched interests.

Work is bullshit, jobs are jails, it's make work,to keep people working all the time so they have no time to organize against the government of narrowly vested entrenched interests.

It's not about people being lazy, not stupid, nor chickenshit, they are brainwashed by the Canadian media to be apparatchiks for the government of this Company Town.

The fake work leaves people with no time to even think, they spend all their time working or trying to find work, this exhausts people, they have no substantial time for anything else.

In terms of China, China is a monstrous Communist dictatorship at the gates, infiltrating and taking control, by paying off the narrowly vested entrenched interests.

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I have worked with ironworkers in Ft. Mac who are on 28 on, 4 off cycle of 12s.  That gives them $230k for a year.   NOW you know why they get passed over.  For someone with basically no training, few skills and little repsonsibility, that is ridiculous

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8 minutes ago, cannuck said:

I have worked with ironworkers in Ft. Mac who are on 28 on, 4 off cycle of 12s.  That gives them $230k for a year.   NOW you know why they get passed over.  For someone with basically no training, few skills and little repsonsibility, that is ridiculous

That's not why they get passed over.

It's a control mechanism.

The government controls people with the centrally planned fake work economy.

When they have jobs they are afraid of losing them, when they don't have jobs they are afraid of ending up in the street.

And by this fear are they controlled by the government of narrowly vested entrenched interests which run the Company Town, increasingly on behalf their new masters in Beijing.

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This is not actually a trade relationship, the Communists did not become Capitalists.   Xi Jinping is a Stalinist.   Chinese Stalin. 

This is an unfriendly takeover in progress, because that is what Communist dictatorships are all about.

This is what a Chinese Communist takeover looks like, same as in Hong Kong.

In the First Cold War. Canada was in a territorial no man's over the pole between the Americans and Soviets.

The Second Cold War is 21st century information warfare, so now Canada is in information war no man's land between the Americans and Chinese.

All Canadians think about is "muh jerbs"

But again, that is very deliberate, that is how the Canadian government controls them, now increasingly on behalf of their new masters in Beijing.

Canadian policy is made by the entrenched interests to protect themselves. 

They limit the prosperity of all to their interests, just enough work to go around, but not too much, and no entrepreneurs to compete against.

So they can use that as a lever of control.

Canadians are generally oblivious to strategic threats, because they assume the Americans are protecting them.

Canada however, is now in no man's land, so is not necessary protected by the Americans, the Americans no longer trust Canada, they are wary of it.

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