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How Serious Of An Election Issue Is The SNC Scandal For You?

How Serious Of An Election Issue Is The SNC Scandal For You?  

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Here's the trail of bread crumbs to help you refresh your memory on SNC before you vote:

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/4954892/snc-lavalin-criminal-charges-montreal-bridge/?utm_expid=.kz0UD5JkQOCo6yMqxGqECg.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F4954892%2Fsnc-lavalin-criminal-charges-montreal-bridge%2F

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In court documents, the RCMP lays out a bribery scheme involving a $127-million Jacques Cartier Bridge contract in the early 2000s. Former federal official Michel Fournier pleaded guilty in 2017 to accepting more than $2.3 million in payments from SNC-Lavalin in connection with the project.

SNC has a history of bribing officials both inside and outside the country to get what they want. As a taxpayer you should believe that your government is selecting the companies that will do the best job possible with a reasonable amount of YOUR tax dollars, and not just awarding lofty contracts to companies that are owned by their friends or that give them large bribes. 

If SNC was willing to pay $2.3M to bribe a politician for a $127M contract, how much would they be willing to pay for a slice of the $150 Billion that Trudeau's government has announced that they are spending on infrastructure? The $2.3M amounts to 1.8% of the $127M. If they even "win" bids on 10% of the $150B that was announced that's $15B, and 1.8% of that is $270,000,000.00. So they could potentially be willing to give out $270M worth of bribes if they can find a way to do it without getting caught.

I'm not saying that Trudeau accepted a bribe, or that he was even offered a bribe, but shouldn't there at least be an investigation? There isn't. And yet he created the deferred Prosecution law SPECIFICALLY for engineering firms "like" SNC that are facing criminal charges, so that they can still bid on federal contracts. It wasn't a stand-alone law that was created out in the open, it was tucked away in Part 6, Division 20 of the 560-page omnibus Bill C-74. After he created that law, and I'm going out on a limb and saying that he did it specifically for SNC but you can believe what you want, he applied pressure on Judy Wilson-Raybould to allow the law to be applied to SNC's case when, as the Attorney General, it was her opinion that it wasn't the appropriate thing to do. He removed her from the AG position, and kicked her out of the caucus, and he did all that for SNC Lavalin.

Now Trudeau is doing all he can to block a proper investigation:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5887824/snc-lavalin-rcmp-inquiry-canada-election/?utm_expid=.kz0UD5JkQOCo6yMqxGqECg.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2F

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That reportedly includes attempts to speak with individuals who say they are being stymied by the government’s refusal to lift cabinet confidentiality rules.

However, no formal investigation has begun.

Even Raybould isn't allowed to speak freely.

How can our PM move heaven and earth for a criminal entity like SNC Lavalin, when they have a lengthy history of giving bribes which come from the public coffer, and then effectively block an investigation:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-rcmp-were-blocked-from-fully-investigating-trudeaus-office-on-snc-obstruction-claims

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Ian Shugart, the clerk, invoked cabinet confidence to block the Mounties from talking to people.

and later...

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Trudeau supported blocking nine different witnesses from giving full testimony to the ethics commissioner and the refusal to turn over documents for that investigation. He’s now backed up the decision to block the RCMP.

So how serious of an issue is this for you?

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Even Conrad Black, who is as conservative as they come, stated that Trudeau handled SNC issue properly. Harper would have done the same so would Harper with a smile. A company should not be made to face criminal charges for doing business as it is done in a certain part of the world, no matter how righteous or eager to the Justice Minister is to make a name for themselves.  For me this is not an issue at all, though I completely understand why conservatives need to pretend that it is important.

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The real issue with this hasn’t to do with whether or not SNC Lavalin is guilty at all, but Mr. Trudeau.

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Harper used to take 5 questions a day which infuriated the media seeping into every day's coverage. The travelling press gallery was incensed and never got over it.  OK then….  

 Is skipping debates. No scrutiny at all… 

Over the last 5 days the media has cared more what a CPC candidate said to his friend when he was a teenager and who another was friends with in 2013. Let that sink in.

1) Hide and take no questions from reporters

2) throw shyte balls from the weeds hoping they will stick (they are)

3) let the media attack Scheer

4) Nanos polls will be gospel

5) debate only when the shills run the debate.

 

The election cycle is going exactly according the Trudeau PMO plans.

 

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Angus Reid (@AngusReid) tweeted at 6:40 p.m. on Sun., Sep. 15, 2019:
The media frenzy over where candidates stand on social issues like abortion and SS marriage stands in contrast to the issues that voters - esp uncommitted- want to hear about. Wake up CND media!! https://t.co/L4t0qypSWO
(https://twitter.com/AngusReid/status/1173366053901963264?s=03)

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The need to save SNC, the entity, is obvious. But the leaders of SNC must be accountable for what they did. We do not need to save leaders of SNC, just the entity. But what Trudeau did is just plain stupid. He wanted to travesty the justice in order to save not only save SNC, but its leaders as well.

 

He did not have the intelligence to make and assume a political choice that would do the right thing. He rather attacked the justice. It is more than wrong. IMO this is criminal.

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13 hours ago, Sagacious said:

Even Conrad Black, who is as conservative as they come, stated that Trudeau handled SNC issue properly. Harper would have done the same so would Harper with a smile. A company should not be made to face criminal charges for doing business as it is done in a certain part of the world, no matter how righteous or eager to the Justice Minister is to make a name for themselves.  For me this is not an issue at all, though I completely understand why conservatives need to pretend that it is important.

You’re speculating that Harper, and I assume that meant Scheer the second time, would have pushed the snc scandal through the DPA route and you’re wrong in doing so. 

Harper actually created the law banning companies facing criminal charges from bidding on federal contracts for ten years. There was no DPA law at the time. Trudeau created that so that SNC could circumvent Harper’s law. Harper wouldn’t likely create a law just to weasel around it himself two years later.

Conservatives aren’t “pretending” this is important. The real issue that’s at stake here is that our PM was acting like judge and jury here. You have to have a warm spot in your heart for dictatorships if you think that it’s ok for the PM himself (without even having a law degree) to have total oversight over the judicial processes of the country. 

I don’t care how slimesters in foreign countries operate. I’m not interested in helping them ensure that shithole countries never develop. That’s a Liberal policy. Canadian companies should never act like this:

“SNC and its subsidiaries SNC-Lavalin Construction Inc. and SNC-Lavalin International Inc. are also alleged to have defrauded various Libyan public agencies of approximately $129.8 million.”

They got caught and it’s up to actual crown prosecutors and judges to study the pertinent laws and legal precedents and to ensure that the correct penalties are meted out to the appropriate parties. It’s not something that just comes off of PM Selfie’s cuff. He doesn’t own the country. 

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1 hour ago, scribblet said:

Over the last 5 days the media has cared more what a CPC candidate said to his friend when he was a teenager and who another was friends with in 2013. Let that sink in.

3) let the media attack Scheer

 

4) Nanos polls will be gospel

 

5) debate only when the shills run the debate.

All extremely good points imo. I hate to elevate #5 above the rest because they’re all huge, but #5 is the crux of the election.

The best chance that we have of getting a fair election is if the candidates have actual debates so that Trudeau’s failures have to pass the light of day test.

Trudeau will get to debate with a moderator who only lobs him softball questions, who lets him constantly interrupt people with accusations instead of legitimate counterpoints, who lets him give answers that are completely off-topic, who puts undue focus on minor details which look bad for opposition leaders, and who quickly moves the discussions away from topics that are rightfully damaging to the PMs brand.

SNC and the despicable treatment of JWR will get no more airtime than the fact that one of Scheer’s candidates said “fag” or something on social media back when he was in grade school.

 

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The real scandal here is that DPA's even exist in the first place.

I fault the liberals for sure and never did or would vote for them. But as for the assholes who brought DPA's to Canada, they should be lined up against a wall and shot. 

 

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3 hours ago, Abies said:

It’s bad but not enough to want to vote for other parties. Liberals are the lesser of two evils this election. 

Just out of curiosity, what are the greater evils that you see in the other parties?

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SNC is just part of a larger problem, it was all the lying and coverup that was the problem every week we seen them trying to coverup something stupid....All of it could have been cleared up in 5 mins by admitting it, all saying sorry and in 2 weeks it would have been forgotten , instead the liberals dragged this on for much longer than they had to, sinking more than a few careers in the process...The question we have to ask is do we want this leader in office when he can not even solve this simple problem...instead he resorted to lying and deceiving Canada like we were not smart enough to comprehend the issue...They were to stupid to cover it up...and they knew that but decided to deceive us over telling the truth... 

He did the same thing with the Carbon tax, he lied about the total costs , thanks to climate Barbie's slip up, we find out that the program has only been costed to 50 %....picking climate Barbie is another one of Justins finer moments what qualifications does she have again ? " Yell it loud and often and Canadians will believe anything " in a public bar no less... How many other issues has he lied to us about....

He has lost the trust in many Canadians, those that are smart enough to see the deceit, corruption, disregard for policies and rule of law anyways....those that blindly follow Justin and his merry gang of idiots are complicit in all this mess. You should be so proud... 

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Typical Conservative campaign style of negativity and attacks rather than issues vital to Canadians like the booming economy under Liberals. And they soon forget all Harper era collection of scandals!!!!!.

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Even the Liberals on this forum know how retarded this liberal government is , but some how they are silent.....because they embarrassed … but ask them who they are going to vote for...and you'll hear a murmur LIBERALS....

Liberals are buying this election.....12.8 BIL in new spending promises...in AUG alone....Balanced budgets my ass...

Any one but the liberals....this has got to stop.... 

 

Overall, for the month of August, the Liberals made 4,545 new spending commitments worth a combined $12.8 billion. That compares to the Conservative record of 604 new spending commitments worth a combined $1.4 billion in the month prior to the August 2, 2015 election call.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5847862/conservatives-liberals-broke-rules-summer-spending/

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6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Overall, for the month of August, the Liberals made 4,545 new spending commitments worth a combined $12.8 billion. That compares to the Conservative record of 604 new spending commitments worth a combined $1.4 billion in the month prior to the August 2, 2015 election call.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5847862/conservatives-liberals-broke-rules-summer-spending/

Insanity.

You could add another $1.4B to their election spending-spree totals for the money that they gave to the CBC ($795M) and "select" media outlets ($600M).

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18 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Typical Conservative campaign style of negativity and attacks rather than issues vital to Canadians like the booming economy under Liberals. And they soon forget all Harper era collection of scandals!!!!!.

Wrong. Our economy is riding on the coattails of the US economy as always. Trudeau's real contribution to our economy will be felt when we eventually have to cut back on social services because we are too far in debt.

Harper's "big" scandal was "who paid back the $90K for Duffy?" In the end it turned out to not be a scandal at all.

Trudeau: 5 ethics investigations (scandals) with 2 actual ethics breaches

Harper: 1 fake scandal, zero actual ethics breaches.

You've been hoisted on your own petard son.

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Don't forget this part:

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Trudeau supported blocking nine different witnesses from giving full testimony to the ethics commissioner and the refusal to turn over documents for that investigation. He’s now backed up the decision to block the RCMP.

Libs here are all over the Trump obstruction of justice story even though it turns out that there never was any evidence of a crime. Trudeau has already been found guilty of an ethics breach, and he's openly obstructing justice on the case. 

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Insanity.

You could add another $1.4B to their election spending-spree totals for the money that they gave to the CBC ($795M) and "select" media outlets ($600M).

Cheap money party. Central banks buying their own debt, inciting fiscal recklessness to the threshold of fairy's and unicorns.

Punt the leverage into the not too distant future, hope that it is someone else's problem by then.

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1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Typical Conservative campaign style of negativity and attacks rather than issues vital to Canadians like the booming economy under Liberals. And they soon forget all Harper era collection of scandals!!!!!.

Are you kidding me, The liberals invented that style "remember the last election"  every time Justin speaks he blames Harper for something, He has not admitted to one of his mistakes....people around him keep diving on there swords but not golden boy.......Here is a news flash Harper was defeated in 2015 for those same reasons I know WOW... thats mind blowing.......Justin the terrible is in charge and has been for 4 years now, again WOW, I know right ....it's time for him to step up and take ownership of his screw ups, it time for you to stand up and take ownership of them as well , admitting your problem is the first step.....Step into the light and declare your evil ways....you sinner....

booming economy your shitting me right, Alberta is on welfare, like the rest of the country and we are in boom times, How much has the deficit grown over the last 4 years....and what was promised ….I know another white lie right....

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The Canadian economy advanced 0.9 percent on quarter in the three months to June 2019, easing from a 0.1 percent expansion in the previous period. It was the strongest growth rate since the second quarter of 2017, as exports rose while domestic demand declined. Expressed at an annualized rate, real GDP expanded 3.7 percent in the second quarter, faster than a 0.5 percent growth in the first three months of the year and beating market forecasts of 3 percent.

Exports increased 3.2 percent,Import declined 1 percent,Household spending growth slowed to 0.1 percent,Business investment fell 1.6 percent,housing investment went up 1.4 percent.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/gdp-growth

Does not sound like booming , sounds like it's kinf of run of the mill...not taking into account our row with china, and how their ban is effecting our market....

 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Just out of curiosity, what are the greater evils that you see in the other parties?

Conservatives have very little platform other than opposite of Trudeau so it is hard to say. At the end of the day no plan is a bad plan. NDP under Singh have little to offer that the Liberals already have and the Green party still needs to get rid of May. 

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18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Insanity.

You could add another $1.4B to their election spending-spree totals for the money that they gave to the CBC ($795M) and "select" media outlets ($600M).

Shit son, can I ask was any of that going to the Veterans, the ones he said they are asking for more than we can give right now....Thats what I thought F*** them right....That is leadership right there...but we can afford to spend over 15 Bil dollars just weeks before an election, because thats within the rules right....wait a minute , they are saying no it is not, but liberals don't have to abide by the rules right ….Badges we don't need no stinking badges , we are the law!!!!!

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6 minutes ago, Abies said:

Conservatives have very little platform other than opposite of Trudeau so it is hard to say. At the end of the day no plan is a bad plan. NDP under Singh have little to offer that the Liberals already have and the Green party still needs to get rid of May. 

Come on man, are you serious, by default your going to vote in the guy that has treated regular Canadians like a ball of shit....he has lied, deceived, shrugged his shoulders when breaking ethics policies not once but twice, the man that gave you MR dress up in India, the man that has not ratified the NAFTA agreement, the Man that has not solved our conflict with china, the man that dictates how his cabinet will vote despite his election promises to have a transparent cabinet that can vote as they see fit.... How many times does he have to lie to you, before you actual see fault in his character.. and question it.... It is a sad day in this nation when we think this is the norm for our political leaders....we don't accept this off our family members, our friends, our neighbors… but some how it's OK to have our nations leader do it to us on a daily basis. 

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Just now, Army Guy said:

Come on man, are you serious, by default your going to vote in the guy that has treated regular Canadians like a ball of shit....he has lied, deceived, shrugged his shoulders when breaking ethics policies not once but twice, the man that gave you MR dress up in India, the man that has not ratified the NAFTA agreement, the Man that has not solved our conflict with china, the man that dictates how his cabinet will vote despite his election promises to have a transparent cabinet that can vote as they see fit.... How many times does he have to lie to you, before you actual see fault in his character.. and question it.... It is a sad day in this nation when we think this is the norm for our political leaders....we don't accept this off our family members, our friends, our neighbors… but some how it's OK to have our nations leader do it to us on a daily basis. 

You are right he is a liar but having the Conservatives in power will destroy any chance of an actual climate change policy and losing green energy R&D. 

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7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Canada"s job surge for the most recent month

https://globalnews.ca/news/5864444/canada-jobs-report-august-2019/

So your going to base your entire argument on an increase of jobs ? nothing to do with increase in GDP figures, or exports imports, housing, you know the stuff economists bases their facts on....and your source says nothing about how many are part time jobs, how many of those jobs are filled by foreign workers being brought in....I'm sure I'm missing a shit load of things here, but I might be on the right track here, when I say the increase in job numbers is a good thing but that is not the only factor when it comes to touting our economy is booming....

 

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