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12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

"Disrupting" and attacking are two different things. A few outliers from the group don't make it a violent gang on the whole. A few assholes going rogue every now and then is not an organized thing, you are embellishing the threat to the Alphabet People.

https://scaffold.media/2019/09/18/jenny-hill-exposed-leader-of-anti-islam-group-pegida-is-chatham-kent-resident-janice-bultje/

The "organized thing" is becoming clearer now.

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15 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Antifa is infinitely more organized than any of these right-wing boogeyman groups you are obsessed with and tunnel vision on.

We are all mostly antifa = opposed to fascism.

Canadian soldiers fought WWII against fascism, against discrimination hatred and genocide across cultures, religions, races, creeds, customs. 

Antifa exposes fascist behaviours within our systems of state, governance, police and business. We are wise to pay attention, to be aware and to resist the constant threat and pressure  on democracy to devolve into fascism. 

White nationalists and their associated militias, however, want to find 'white' glory in inciting "race wars" in Canada, out of pure hatred, malice, ignorance and fear  serving no good purpose to Canadians. 

I know where I stand.

I am anti fascist.

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6 minutes ago, jacee said:

We are all mostly antifa = opposed to fascism.

Canadian soldiers fought WWII against fascism, against discrimination hatred and genocide across cultures, religions, races, creeds, customs.

Canadian soldiers fought for the British Empire.

Including British rule of the Raj in India and Hong Kong in the Far East.

The Canadian troops at Hong Kong were overrun to the last man, in defence of the British Empire.

The only threat that Hitler imposed, was on the route through Suez  to the Jewel in the Crown.

That's why the Canadian Army was sent to fight in Italy.

 

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Furthermore, in the Cold War, the Fascistas were back on our side.

Franco was on our side.

Pinochet was our side.

Allende was not on our side.

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8 hours ago, jacee said:

We are all mostly antifa = opposed to fascism.

Canadian soldiers fought WWII against fascism, against discrimination hatred and genocide across cultures, religions, races, creeds, customs. 

Antifa exposes fascist behaviours within our systems of state, governance, police and business. We are wise to pay attention, to be aware and to resist the constant threat and pressure  on democracy to devolve into fascism. 

White nationalists and their associated militias, however, want to find 'white' glory in inciting "race wars" in Canada, out of pure hatred, malice, ignorance and fear  serving no good purpose to Canadians. 

I know where I stand.

I am anti fascist.

Antifa act like fascists, who will attempt to shut down the speech of anyone they disagree with, and get violent in order to do so. Also if you think they only attack actual fascists, you're not paying attention. Just because they call themselves anti-fascist does not make them so. If you stand with Antifa, you are a crazy far leftist, easily fooled by people referring to themselves with nice sounding terms that deludes rubes into think their cause is noble. The only thing Antifa exposes, is just how crazy the far left is.

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17 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Antifa act like fascists, who will attempt to shut down the speech of anyone they disagree with, and get violent in order to do so. Also if you think they only attack actual fascists, you're not paying attention. Just because they call themselves anti-fascist does not make them so. If you stand with Antifa, you are a crazy far leftist, easily fooled by people referring to themselves with nice sounding terms that deludes rubes into think their cause is noble. The only thing Antifa exposes, is just how crazy the far left is.

Most Canadians are opposed to fascism.

Truth. 

That's the grim reality of white nationalist delusion:

Somebody giving the orders and some killing all the 'undesirables', a white nationalist dream, is not Canadian patriotism. 

The white nationalist dream is brutal fascism.

Patriotism is protecting Canada's democracy, protecting freedoms of all people of all genders, races, creeds, colours and religions. 

Patriotism is opposing fascist racism, division and conflict. 

Patriotism is anti-racist,  anti-fascist.

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5 hours ago, jacee said:

Most Canadians are opposed to fascism.

Truth. 

That's the grim reality of white nationalist delusion:

Somebody giving the orders and some killing all the 'undesirables', a white nationalist dream, is not Canadian patriotism. 

The white nationalist dream is brutal fascism.

Patriotism is protecting Canada's democracy, protecting freedoms of all people of all genders, races, creeds, colours and religions. 

Patriotism is opposing fascist racism, division and conflict. 

Patriotism is anti-racist,  anti-fascist.

Antifa is not anti-fascist, they are pro-fascist. The term is Orwellian doublespeak. You apparently aren't opposed to fascists if they simply call themselves anti-fascist, as long as they refer to themselves by a nice sounding label, they get a pass from jacee.

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16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Antifa is not anti-fascist, they are pro-fascist. The term is Orwellian doublespeak. You apparently aren't opposed to fascists if they simply call themselves anti-fascist, as long as they refer to themselves by a nice sounding label, they get a pass from jacee.

Nonsense. That's white nationalist propaganda. Twist and spin.

The fascists are the ones who hate people of colour, LGBTQ2+ people, feminists, etc. While generally not the brightest lights, there are a few 'smart' sociopathic leaders who easily manipulate others. Janice Bultje aka "Jenny Hill", for example. 

'Antifa' are anarchists with centuries of history in exposing and fighting fascism. They led the French resistance when France was occupied by the Nazis, for example.

This is the most bizarre thing to me:  White nationalist hate groups like to call themselves 'patriots', admire the military, often carry Canadian flags or the Red Ensign ... but they are wannabe nazi fascists. Our Canadian forces - real patriots - fought against Nazis. 

So I wonder ... is that the stupidity or the sociopathy of white nationalists showing? I guess some of both. 

Lol 

 

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9 minutes ago, jacee said:

Nonsense. That's white nationalist propaganda. Twist and spin.

The fascists are the ones who hate people of colour, LGBTQ2+ people, feminists, etc. While generally not the brightest lights, there are a few 'smart' sociopathic leaders who easily manipulate others. Janice Bultje aka "Jenny Hill", for example. 

'Antifa' are anarchists with centuries of history in exposing and fighting fascism. They led the French resistance when France was occupied by the Nazis, for example.

It's the most bizarre thing to me ... 

White nationalist hate groups pretend to be 'patriots', admire the military, often carry Canadian flags or the Red Ensign ... but they are wannabe nazi fascists. Our Canadian forces, real patriots  fought against Nazis. 

So I wonder ... is that the stupidity or the sociopathy of white nationalists showing? I guess some of both. 

Lol 

 

Antifa are not fighting fascists anymore, they are fighting imaginary fascists because they can't find many real ones, they are LARPing. You simply agree with their faulty perception that everyone Antifa disagrees is a fascist, you are the one buying into propaganda. You take Antifa's word for what they are, instead of observing their actual actions which show them to be full of sh*t.

If they are so anti-fascist then how come they try to shut down free speech like a bunch of fascists? How come they get violent against those they disagree with when they refuse to comply with the silencing, like Nazi's used to?

They have become what they revile, and are blind to it with zero self awareness, fighting imaginary fascism with actual fascism, womp womp.

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4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Antifa are not fighting fascists anymore, they are fighting imaginary fascists because they can't find many real ones, they are LARPing. You simply agree with their faulty perception that everyone Antifa disagrees is a fascist, you are the one buying into propaganda. You take Antifa's word for what they are, instead of observing their actual actions which show them to be full of sh*t.

If they are so anti-fascist then how come they try to shut down free speech like a bunch of fascists? How come they get violent against those they disagree with when they refuse to comply with the silencing, like Nazi's used to?

They have become what they revile, and are blind to it with zero self awareness, fighting imaginary fascism with actual fascism, womp womp.

Phhht! More twisted white nationalist nonsense. Is that the crap your leaders are feeding you? You do know that they're just manipulating you to feed their own malicious sociopathic egos. 

I am anti-fascist. We have freedom of expression too. We do drown out hateful, racist homophobes who try to rally in public spaces, or who go to Pride Fests to spew hatred.

Inciting and promoting hatred against identifiable groups in our communities isn't appropriate behaviour ... and it's illegal in Canada:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html

Free speech doesn't mean anyone 'has to' listen to you. Hateful fascist idiots get 'booed off stages' all the time, because many more people don't like what they're saying.

'Free speech' is for all. Lol

Suck it up, buttercup! 

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Drowning out the free speech of others is not freedom of expression, you are not the arbiters of who is allowed to speak and who is not, that is not free speech. Some people want to listen to them, and you think you have a right to prevent them from doing so, if you don't like the speaker.

That is fascist, not anti-fascist. You ain't fooling me. Most the time the speaker isn't even a fascist or white supremacist, it's just a conservative commentator you don't like, and even when the few times you are attempting to shut down actual fascists, they still have a right to speak at a public venue where people want to listen to them, and other people showing up to prevent them from speaking is not pro-free speech, just the opposite.

Antifa are the real Nazi's here, the Nazi's shut down people from speaking who they disagreed with too, and now Antifa is stealing their tactics to silence the opposition, while claiming to fight against their cause.

Clown Show, if y'all want to pretend like you are actually anti-fascists, try not acting like fascists and letting people you disagree with actually speak, pro tip. You don't have to listen to them, but you don't have to prevent others from listening to them either. Preventing others from listening to them is anti-free speech, your right to speak freely does not supersede theirs, it's not them who go around shutting down antifa events, but it's antifa who go around shutting down theirs.

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6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Drowning out the free speech of others is not freedom of expression, you are not the arbiters of who is allowed to speak and who is not, that is not free speech. Some people want to listen to them, and you think you have a right to prevent them from doing so, if you don't like the speaker.

That is fascist, not anti-fascist. You ain't fooling me. Most the time the speaker isn't even a fascist or white supremacist, it's just a conservative commentator you don't like, and even when the few times you are attempting to shut down actual fascists, they still have a right to speak at a public venue where people want to listen to them, and other people showing up to prevent them from speaking is not pro-free speech, just the opposite.

Yes , drowning people out certainly is freedom of expression. We all have it, and we can speak back.

Unpopular speakers get drowned out and booed offstage all the time. Doug Ford, for example, hasn't been able to speak in public lately without getting drowned out. That's the public exercising their freedom to express their opinion: People are angry about his cuts to services for kids, even Conservatives who voted for him, and they don't want to hear him speak in public, so he gets booed offstage. That's just democracy and freedom of expression in action. 

Preventing unpopular people from speaking is a form of freedom of expression, and so is screening their hateful signs from public view. 

Nobody denies that you white nationalists have a right to speak. But nobody 'has to' listen to you. People can speak back at you, can boo, whistle and drum to drown you out, just like some currently do to the Premier.

White nationalists just aren't very popular, and very few "want to listen to them" in public spaces. Lots of people go to oppose them, drown them out. That's just reality. If you want to invite an audience that 'wants to listen', book a private room and do so.

In public spaces, the "right" to free speech does not guarantee white nationalists an adoring audience ... nor Doug Ford. 

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Preventing unpopular people from speaking is not freedom of expression, that is shutting down the voices of unpopular people, which hinders their freedom of expression. 

You don't have to listen, but that doesn't give you the right to prevent other people from listening. That is what you are doing, that is not free speech. In fact, that is exactly what the Nazi's did to silence their opposition, among other tactics, and Antifa is embracing Nazi tactics openly while claiming to be against fascism, y'all are clowns.

Your freedom of expression does not supersede theirs, fascists claim otherwise, but fascists would claim otherwise wouldn't they? Them being unpopular does not excuse your actions, if they turned around and started doing it to you, you'd cry fascism, but if you impede their freedom of expression, it's all cool because you claim to be one of the good guys?

That's not how it works, both popular and unpopular opinions are entitled to speak freely, without a mob shutting them down because they don't like what they have to say, or the person who is saying it. Those who think otherwise can go suck a bag of dicks, they are fascist scum, whether they claim to be anti-fascist or not, their actions reveal what they truly believe.

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10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Preventing unpopular people from speaking is not freedom of expression, that is shutting down the voices of unpopular people, which hinders their freedom of expression

Freedom of expression is from the government, it's not from other people.  If somebody has an idea that is dumb or obnoxious, he is free to express himself without hindrance from the government.  There is no requirement that citizens must allow him to Express himself without hindrance, as long as they don't physically attack him or threaten to attack him.  As Jacee said, that is also people exercising their right to free expression.  

Yeah, I get that it sucks if someone you want to hear is drowned out.  You can consider these people rude and obnoxious, but only the government can remove someone's right to free speech.

I've also been told more than once on this forum that government imposing "hate speech" laws would only drive those people underground, that letting these ideas enter the "marketplace of ideas" to be rejected or accepted by society is a better strategy.  So if someone's ideas are being rejected through mockery, laughter, booing, talking over and drumming, then it seems to me the system of free expression is working exactly as I'm told it should.

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9 hours ago, dialamah said:

Freedom of expression is from the government, it's not from other people.  If somebody has an idea that is dumb or obnoxious, he is free to express himself without hindrance from the government.  There is no requirement that citizens must allow him to Express himself without hindrance, as long as they don't physically attack him or threaten to attack him.  As Jacee said, that is also people exercising their right to free expression.  

Yeah, I get that it sucks if someone you want to hear is drowned out.  You can consider these people rude and obnoxious, but only the government can remove someone's right to free speech.

I've also been told more than once on this forum that government imposing "hate speech" laws would only drive those people underground, that letting these ideas enter the "marketplace of ideas" to be rejected or accepted by society is a better strategy.  So if someone's ideas are being rejected through mockery, laughter, booing, talking over and drumming, then it seems to me the system of free expression is working exactly as I'm told it should.

Incorrect. Private citizens can be totally anti-free speech, mobs have no right to shut down speech they don't like. You can mock, laugh and boo without stifling the free speech of others, if you can't do that, you are against free speech, and only for speech that you approve of. If free speech only covered speech that no one considers offensive, it wouldn't need to be protected by constitutional rights because no one would try and shut anyone down, it is there to prevent the government or the people from infringing on the rights of those with opinions others consider offensive. Free speech is not only popular ideas get to talk, all others ideas get shut down by the government or a mob, that ain't free speech.

You can reject ideas all you want, you don't get to reject ideas by infringing on others rights though. You don't have to listen, but that doesn't give you the right to prevent other people from listening. That is not the system working exactly as it should.

History shows that shutting down free speech like that will eventually be turned around and used against Antifa, and when it does, they aren't going to like it, and are going to scream fascism, but they are the one's who created the problem and will just be getting a taste of their own medicine. Can't say I didn't warn you.

If you can't see a problem with an anti-semetic mob shutting down Jews expressing ideas they don't like, because you think such actions are only going to be used to shut down people whose opinions you don't approve of, and these tactics will only ever be used by people you agree with, and that makes it all okay, then you are too far gone to be reasoned with. Wishful thinking and an inability to see unintended consequences for the fail.

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15 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

free speech only covered speech that no one considers offensive, it wouldn't need to be protected by constitutional rights because no one would try and shut anyone down, it is there to prevent the government or the people from infringing on the rights of those with opinions others consider offensive. 

In Canada, we don't have free speech.  In Canada, we have freedom of expression.  Freedom of expression is limited by the government to exclude hate speech, which includes threatening people physically or threatening people with death.

Freedom of expression means that people can bang drums while someone else is speaking; the government protects the drum heater's rights to express themselves just as the government protects the speaker's right to express themselves.

Or would you have people who made lots of noise during someone's speech arrested, fined or jailed?  Is that what you think would constitute freedom of expression?

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Black Lives Matter which has dominated Gay Pride events is as extreme as any Christian group challenging homosexual marriage. I know in particular of 3 gay anti Israel groups who used Gay Pride to make comments about ANY Jew who believed that Jew had the right to sufferage and express their identity in a collective national entity and they openly chanted hate messages at the Gay pride events making it exclusive not inclusive no different than Black Lives Matters.

Gay pride has been hijacked by many political groups and its unfortunate because gay pride should be inclusive. It started out to commemorate a raid at a Turkish bath that unfairly arrested gay people but its morphed into something far bigger and is now exploitedby mainstream politicians of all parties as well as major corporate sponsors.

That is an important context to remember because this Christian group was not the first nor will it be the last to politically demonstrate at gay events but it does not excuse what happened but shows its not unusual.

That said no one engaging in violence should be condoned for any reason. However Christians who do not believe in gay marriage have the right to express themselves peacefully no different than gays do. Most gays excuse me for saying but I will, can easily handle Christian groups telling them they should not engage in gay sex or marry. That is not the issue. They can handle it.  Most gays did not want or ask for some of their members to become violent.  They never condone violence jjust as Christians in that anti gay group  would not condone physical violence.

Both sides have hot heads.

I think the Christian anti gay groups should  use some common sense and wait for another time to demonstrate their beliefs. I think choosing to go to a festivity they know is an expression of gays being proud of who they are in response to past persecution is a necessary ritual for them and reinforces a positive and hopeful message of tolerance and so is the absolute wrong time and place to lecture  about being sinful for being gay. Its not the time. If an extreme Christian group showed up at a holocaust memorial and began lecturing me about killing Jesus, I know I would be damn angry and not be anywhere near as calm as the gay collective was with this group. 

This group had to know they would be inciting a negative reaction and they wanted just that for publicity.

I defend the right of Christians to believe homosexuality is sinful just as I defend the right of gays to be gay freely. There is a time and place though for discussions as to sexual morality and choosing an event designed to heal past wounds as gay pride is, is not the place.

Can people please understand gay pride is not just joy its sorrow for what happened to them in the past and finding the courage to overcome it with a celebration of innocent honest expression of identity. Its a way to turn tears into laughter and hate into love. That is all it was ever intended to do. I can't understand what it is to be gay but I know gays celebrate their collective identity no different than we Jews do our collective identity. It is the same. We use music and humour the same way. We overcome the past turmoil with positive frame of references. I have to support it. They were good enough to die in the holocaust for being gay, they are good enough for me. I feel the same way about righteous Christians who died for Jews.

I personally do not believe the purpose of Christianity was to show up and fight with people. Then again I hang around with peaceful Christians, many who embrace my humility and do not hate gays and I identify with their humility before a greater power than any of us.

I believe the construct that being gay is sinful is one created by humans not "God". It is a belief that begins with and ends with humans. No one can speak for "God" but this supposed "God" itself which I do not believe would speak directly to anyone let alone be understood by anyone in the confines of our brains and bodies.

 

 

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7 hours ago, dialamah said:

In Canada, we don't have free speech.  In Canada, we have freedom of expression.  Freedom of expression is limited by the government to exclude hate speech, which includes threatening people physically or threatening people with death.

Freedom of expression means that people can bang drums while someone else is speaking; the government protects the drum heater's rights to express themselves just as the government protects the speaker's right to express themselves.

Or would you have people who made lots of noise during someone's speech arrested, fined or jailed?  Is that what you think would constitute freedom of expression?

F*ck your hate speech nonsense and the horse it rode in on. They should be arrested, if they refuse to vacate, your right to free speech does not supersede theirs. A mob should not get to show up and shut down an event they don't like, you want peacefully protest, or protest loudly somewhere else fine, you don't get shut down people whose opinions you don't like.

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17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

F*ck your hate speech nonsense and the horse it rode in on.

Seems like you'd be yelling, talking over me and banging on a table if we were sitting around having a beer ...

17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you don't get shut down people whose opinions you don't lik

... in order to shut down a person whose opinion you don't like.

21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They should be arrested

Really?  Arrest people who protest too loudly?  How is that not "shutting down free speech"?  Or, as its known in Canada "Freedom of Expression", even loud and annoying expression.

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10 hours ago, dialamah said:

Seems like you'd be yelling, talking over me and banging on a table if we were sitting around having a beer ...

... in order to shut down a person whose opinion you don't like.

Really?  Arrest people who protest too loudly?  How is that not "shutting down free speech"?  Or, as its known in Canada "Freedom of Expression", even loud and annoying expression.

1) Your mind reading skills are garbage
2) You're right to freedom of expression ends when you are infringing on others freedom of expression. You can be loud and annoying somewhere else, or you can keep your loud and annoying to a level that lets the other side have their freedom of expression. If you have to yell over the opposition, and refuse to ever allow them to speak in public, or have to get violent to shut them down, then you can f*ck off. No one is taking away your free speech by refusing to allow you to shut down other people's freedom of expression, that is you trying to take away someone else's freedom of expression being shut down.

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12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1) Your mind reading skills are garbage
2) You're right to freedom of expression ends when you are infringing on others freedom of expression. You can be loud and annoying somewhere else, or you can keep your loud and annoying to a level that lets the other side have their freedom of expression. If you have to yell over the opposition, and refuse to ever allow them to speak in public, or have to get violent to shut them down, then you can f*ck off. No one is taking away your free speech by refusing to allow you to shut down other people's freedom of expression, that is you trying to take away someone else's freedom of expression being shut down.

Phhhhht! 

Nobody promised you an adoring public audience, snowflake. 

People get booed off public  stages all the time.

Like Doug Ford ...

... and racist homophobic white nationalists. 

You're just not popular.

Suck it up buttercup. 

 

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7 hours ago, jacee said:

Phhhhht! 

Nobody promised you an adoring public audience, snowflake. 

People get booed off public  stages all the time.

Like Doug Ford ...

... and racist homophobic white nationalists. 

You're just not popular.

Suck it up buttercup. 

 

Free speech haters like you are booing them off the stage, not for anything they are saying, but because you don't like them, while plenty in the crowd do like them, and you are ruining it for them, while pretending you speak for all. You wouldn't know white nationalist if they slapped you in the face, your judgement is not to be trusted and even if you manage to find one, just because they are white nationalist doesn't mean anyone who wants to hear them publicly has no right to do so without a mob yelling over them, how showed up just to shut them down.

If you don't want to listen, stay home, you have no right to show up and force everyone else not to listen. No one is asking for adoring audiences, what we are asking for is to stop shutting down people from speaking because you disagree with them, those are very different things, you just can't tell the difference because you are morally bankrupt while assured of your have moral high ground you don't actually have.

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On 9/26/2019 at 1:37 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

Free speech haters like you are booing them off the stage, not for anything they are saying, but because you don't like them, while plenty in the crowd do like them, and you are ruining it for them, while pretending you speak for all.

No one goes to public hate rallies to listen to the white nationalist haters. A lot of people go to make them feel unwelcome, drown them out, because hate in public spaces is unacceptable to most community members. It's not acceptable for children to be exposed to racial hatred, and unacceptable for targeted communities to have to be exposed to such hatred in public spaces, limiting their freedom of access, movement and comfort in public areas of their own community. Not illegal perhaps, but unacceptable to most people, and we are free to express that.

If you can provide evidence of public hate rallies with a big adoring audience, please provide links. But really, it hasn't happened in Canada. A few 'nouns' of Odin in leathers and boots, ready and seething to stomp people is not an adoring crowd. They are always far outnumbered by normal, decent people. 

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You wouldn't know white nationalist if they slapped you in the face,

My, such violent imagery! White nationalists do devolve into threat and violence so easily.

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... your judgement is not to be trusted and even if you manage to find one, just because they are white nationalist doesn't mean anyone who wants to hear them publicly has no right to do so without a mob yelling over them

, how showed up just to shut them down.If you don't want to listen, stay home, you have no right to show up and force everyone else not to listen. No one is asking for adoring audiences, what we are asking for is to stop shutting down people from speaking because you disagree with them, those are very different things, you just can't tell the difference because you are morally bankrupt while assured of your have moral high ground you don't actually have.

See, this is where you are wrong: In public spaces, anybody has a right to show up. EG, the Raptors champs celebration - the crowd and Doug Ford all had a right to be there, but most of the crowd didn't want to listen to Doug Ford, so they booed him, and he quickly left the stage. 

That's just freedom of expression, as recommended by the Canadian Civil Liberties Association: 

counter-speech and denunciation, rather than censorship.  

You can't limit our freedom of assembly (to "show up") and freedom of expression ("counter-speech and denunciation") in public spaces. You and your white nationalist buddies can show up to speak, and so can we. Your rights don't outweigh our rights in public spaces. 

Even people who do support white nationalist views don't show up in public spaces, because they don't want their views publicly known as they may be denounced by friends, family, community, fired from their job, etc. because those views are so abhorrent to most people and definitely not good for business. That's why there are no public audiences for white nationalists. 

And, of course, hate propaganda - public expressions of hatred against identifiable groups of people, including online - are limited by law in Canada too: 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html

If you white nationalists want to speak to an adoring audience, you should get a private room. The public can still show up to denounce those entering the venue, of course, so ... perhaps hire cars/bus with dark windows to bring your audience to the venue via a back entrance to try to avoid the counter-speaking crowd outside.

It is quite complicated being a white nationalist, of course, because you're just so unpopular. But, hey ... that's the life you are choosing, and nobody promised you an adoring audience.  

Sometimes I think damaged people choose that life of perpetually bringing denunciation on themselves to validate and sustain their own victim-hood and self-hatred, bullies born of abuse, picking on and spreading the abuse to others. Sad, really.  And we don't seem to have sufficient or appropriate resources in Canada to assist white nationalists in overcoming their descent into self-destructive hatred. 

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/m_features/former-skinhead-now-helps-others-leave-hate-groups

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You can counter-speech without preventing others from speaking. Hate speech is free speech, if you don't agree, then you are anti-free speech. Preventing people from speaking, even if you have good reason to dislike them, is not pro-free speech, not even close. It being "hate speech" does not give you a pass for shutting down their speech, most of the time, these people aren't even engaging in "hate speech", you just think they are and shut them down anyway, like with Dave Rubin for example.

F*ck Antifa. Y'all are the violent ones, quit projecting on everyone else.

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