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2 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Thing is, our way of life has already changed dramatically.   China has emptied much of the meager value added from our economy.  Take the automobile industry:  Canada was a big player in feeding the US car manufacturing industry, but China has gutted that role almost completely.  It's gone, and not likely ever going to come back.  

 

Mexico was eating Canada's lunch long before China for automotive manufacturing.   Canada managed to make itself the most expensive place in North America for automotive with union wages, energy costs, and regulation.  Canada became less competitive while scoffing at Mexico, U.S. right-to-work states, and China.   Magna now has more plants and employees in Mexico than in Canada.

 

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This story has nothing and everything to do with Canada. It's about China's over the top response when the general manager of the Houston Rockets tweeted out a simple little support emoji for the peop

Harper actually worked for a living, and rose from the mail room to being an economist - getting his bachelor's and master's while working.  Most of all, he was NOT a goddamned lawyer and as far away

They're projecting their power with money. They're buying up ports and airports, and roping developing world government's into loans they have no ability to pay back (with the help of hefty bribes) an

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1 hour ago, cannuck said:

Thing is, our way of life has already changed dramatically.   China has emptied much of the meager value added from our economy.  Take the automobile industry:  Canada was a big player in feeding the US car manufacturing industry, but China has gutted that role almost completely.

Yeah, China had a lot of help from us. Magna warned back in 2015 that rising electricity costs in Ontario were making its plants here uncompetitive. Before the next Ontario election they warned they would build no new plants in this province. The people responded by re-electing the Ontario Liberals and then enthusiastically supporting big carbon taxes. Needless to say, Magna now has tons of factories in the southern US and Mexico as it shifts production away from Ontario. I'm sure Martinrea, Linamar and the big auto makers are doing the same. Hell, it makes sense to go where salaries, electricity and taxes are lower, especially when you've got a free trade agreement.

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8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Mexico was eating Canada's lunch long before China for automotive manufacturing.   Canada managed to make itself the most expensive place in North America for automotive with union wages, energy costs, and regulation.  Canada became less competitive while scoffing at Mexico, U.S. right-to-work states, and China.   Magna now has more plants and employees in Mexico than in Canada.

 

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We don't need to lower our standards in order to appease low standards around the world.

Manufacturing jobs are going to be obsolete anyway, as automation is taking over. Canada should continue to promote high skilled workers and fight harder to bring in high skilled workers from around the world. We will reach a point where manufacturing plants will only have engineers and technicians, sitting behind computers, making sure that the robots are doing their jobs.

We must embrace technology and the emerging markets and industries, instead of trying to hold onto dying ones.

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3 hours ago, marcus said:

We don't need to lower our standards in order to appease low standards around the world.

Manufacturing jobs are going to be obsolete anyway, as automation is taking over. Canada should continue to promote high skilled workers and fight harder to bring in high skilled workers from around the world. We will reach a point where manufacturing plants will only have engineers and technicians, sitting behind computers, making sure that the robots are doing their jobs.

We must embrace technology and the emerging markets and industries, instead of trying to hold onto dying ones.

The problem is: we are not producers of automation, nor much of a user.  The jobs we had are simply gone....forever.  We are far too busy with important things: virtue signaling, importing terrorists who will vote liberal, protecting criminals in SNC, We, etc.

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Speaking of China, Bill Blair sent a letter to MPs a few weeks ago detailing China's interference in Canada.

Although Blair’s letter mentioned Russia and North Korea, it was most concerned with China’s hostile activities, including the exploitation of so-called talent programs to acquire sensitive technology and knowledge.

“In addition, foreign states, including the PRC [Peoples Republic of China], attempt to threaten and intimidate individuals around the world, including in Canada, through various state entities and non-state proxies,” Blair wrote.

Such tactics are portrayed as a fight against crime and corruption, he said.

“However, we are aware that these tactics can also be used as cover for silencing dissent, including on university campuses, pressuring political opponents and instilling general fear of state power, no matter where a person is located,” the letter said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7558284/public-safety-minister-chinas-foreign-interference-letter/?fbclid=IwAR1RGxhceNbSvl4oULkJdVQboF0JPdbjC1IUdCoEQQ5u7KA-0UYbD6mqXu0

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On 12/28/2020 at 7:21 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

 

New thread . . . . 'What to do about Canada'

Many Canadians have a self-righteous attitude towards Americans. MG's post is the blueprint for that attitude.

Canadian motto: "Aah . . . oh oh, Mmmm maybe not, you can't do that, that'll never work, not right now . . . maybe tomorrow.

American motto:  "Just watch me" . . . . . 

Americans do have the right attitude.  Donald Trump has been hard on China, unlike Sleepy Joe who's said China is America's allie.  Trudeau's been soft on China - we need a government that takes a hard stand on countries like China that have horrible human rights issues and whose agenda is to wreak havoc on the world's ecomonies.

China has been working to dominate the world economy and has accomplished exactly that by unleashing the CCP virus and then concealing its existence from the world, although temporarily, then blaming the USA for its incarnation.  Yet, it's been reported that the Canada Pension Plan is still pouring our federal pension funds into the Chinese market, largely controlled by the CCP.  Furthermore, the are doing so with the full knowledge that Chinese law prohibits foreign oversight of the reporting by the Chinese companies.  What does that mean?  These Chinese companies can report whatever looks favourable to the CCP and they don't have to be transparent whatsoever.  A lot of people hate Donald Trump, however he has been the only President of the USA that's been hard on China, realizing that they are the greatest threat to world economies and national security.  Under his leadership, the US  has passed the Holding Foreign Companies Accountable Act in December 2020 which forces Chinese companies listed on US stock exchanges (ie Alibaba) to open their audit books to US regulators or be delisted from these exchanges.  In contrast, our current Liberal government doesn't appear to recognize the existing and future threats to our economy and national security by the Communist Chinese regime.  I woudn't put it past the Biden administration to overturn the new Act passed in December 2020 but that's another story. 

I encourage all Canadians to stand up and contact their federal MPs to put a halt to the practise of investing our future retirement CCP funds in the Chinese economy.  The Canada Pension Plan has so far invested over $15 billion with plans to increase those investments by 20%.  If the USA can have a tough stance when it comes to dealing with China, our elected Prime Minister should be taking just a hard a stand in its dealings with them. 

China is the biggest threat to the world.  The CCP has millions of its membership infiltrating government agencies and public corporations in its efforts to steal our technology and intellectual property.  Yet our government seems to be reactive instead of being proactive.  We need a leader who stands tough against Communism, not invest in it.

 

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On 1/6/2021 at 10:29 PM, Argus said:

Speaking of China, Bill Blair sent a letter to MPs a few weeks ago detailing China's interference in Canada.

Although Blair’s letter mentioned Russia and North Korea, it was most concerned with China’s hostile activities, including the exploitation of so-called talent programs to acquire sensitive technology and knowledge.

“In addition, foreign states, including the PRC [Peoples Republic of China], attempt to threaten and intimidate individuals around the world, including in Canada, through various state entities and non-state proxies,” Blair wrote.

Such tactics are portrayed as a fight against crime and corruption, he said.

“However, we are aware that these tactics can also be used as cover for silencing dissent, including on university campuses, pressuring political opponents and instilling general fear of state power, no matter where a person is located,” the letter said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7558284/public-safety-minister-chinas-foreign-interference-letter/?fbclid=IwAR1RGxhceNbSvl4oULkJdVQboF0JPdbjC1IUdCoEQQ5u7KA-0UYbD6mqXu0

China is a major threat to our economy and national security.  The Canadian government should have taken steps to curb the CCP's activities within our borders yet they continue to fail badly in this area.  Government agencies were provided with a database of over 1.95 millions CCP members working abroad with their sole purpose being to steal technologies and intellectual property.  The USA has taken a strong stand against the CCP yet our elected officials refuse to do anything about it, instead standing by until something happens.  When "the shit hits the fan", they respond with diplomacy instead of taking actions to avoid problems first. 

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Just now, Advocat for What is Right said:

China is a major threat to our economy and national security.  The Canadian government should have taken steps to curb the CCP's activities within our borders yet they continue to fail badly in this area.  Government agencies were provided with a database of over 1.95 millions CCP members working abroad with their sole purpose being to steal technologies and intellectual property.  The USA has taken a strong stand against the CCP yet our elected officials refuse to do anything about it, instead standing by until something happens.  When "the shit hits the fan", they respond with diplomacy instead of taking actions to avoid problems first. 

Instead of shutting down our borders to flights out of China and other countries infected with the CCP virus, they took a "wait & see" approach.  Well we are now experiencing the aftermath of inaction. 

 

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On 12/30/2020 at 1:19 PM, Michael Hardner said:

The "what would I do ?" fantasy you are pitching here has an inherent framework of your power being beyond anything that anyone in Canada has.  So, even if you "were" Trudeau you couldn't get a judge to just do your bidding.

What I don't understand is why don't you give yourself more power ?  Why not "If it were me, I would make China float their currency, and stop subsidizing industry" or even "I would force all countries to submit to binding WTA jurisdiction with an independent council of economic elders to establish global trade and monetary policy"...

You could give yourself as much power as you like in the "if it were me" world.
 

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What I would do, is tell them to stay home. Trudeau is selling us out to china, or they have some major dirt on him. He wont say no to thier 5g, wants Chinese troops training in Canada, and does not give a shit about the 2 Michaels. Go ahead and defend mike.

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China's brutality and totalitarianism gets worse as Xi's power over everyone's life grows. This is what is in store for all of us if China succeeds in exerting more and more influence over western countries. Already they have a law which says anyone who says anything bad about China anywhere in the world, citizen or not, can be extradited to China and prosecuted. I don't think even Stalin or Hitler ever had the balls to put such a law in place. I guess I better never go to China! 

 Its Social Credit System monitors all WeChat and Weibo exchanges through algorithms that identify those discussing June 4 or May 35, which mean the Tiananmen massacre, or referring to Winnie the Pooh, whose walk is similar to Xi’s. Not taking out the garbage, paying your loans late, getting traffic violations and not adhering to birth control regulations will also give you a bad social credit score. Chinese can lose their jobs or the right to send their child to a good school. Tens of millions have not been permitted to fly or take trains due to their low scores. Citizens understandably fear the blacklists and are self-censoring, which is what the regime wants.

A Corporate Social Credit System now applies to domestic and foreign companies and organizations operating in China. If they do not comply fully with every regulation or if they speak out against government policies, the company will not have access to grants, procurement contracts, land or lower taxes. If their employees or suppliers have poor scores, the company is punished. Both credit systems will be tightened over time, and party committees in each company ensure that corporate decisions advance the party’s interests.

Another attribute of totalitarianism is a guiding ideology. In China, that is Xi Jinping Thought, a three-volume book that each citizen must study on an app that knows when they are scrolling through quickly without looking.

Citizens speaking out on issues such as free speech, environmental degradation, and expropriation without compensation have been subjected to daily interrogations in a metal tiger chair with wrists and ankles in vises, often in freezing conditions.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/mccuaig-johnston-we-thought-china-could-become-more-democratic-instead-it-is-becoming-totalitarian

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On 1/14/2021 at 9:55 AM, PIK said:

  Trudeau is selling us out to china, or they have some major dirt on him. He wont say no to thier 5g, wants Chinese troops training in Canada, and does not give a shit about the 2 Michaels. Go ahead and defend mike.

Your hate for Trudeau is clouding the issue of revisiting our overall strategy on China.  Since Harper and Trudeau have made similar steps we need a 2-party approach here not Trudeau conspiracy theories.   If you hate Trudeau, try to put your emotions in a box while we discuss this.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Your hate for Trudeau is clouding the issue of revisiting our overall strategy on China.  Since Harper and Trudeau have made similar steps we need a 2-party approach here not Trudeau conspiracy theories.   If you hate Trudeau, try to put your emotions in a box while we discuss this.

What we need and what will happen is two very different subjects, unless the two party approach is both on the left, the right is not going to listen and the left is not going to entertain anything the right has to offer. So we are back to where we started. 

The issues that PIK bring up are not just some conspiracy theory, they are real threats, and sticking our heads in a hole is not going to solve the problem like the liberals are doing..

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

1. What we need and what will happen is two very different subjects, unless the two party approach is both on the left, the right is not going to listen and the left is not going to entertain anything the right has to offer.  

2. The issues that PIK bring up are not just some conspiracy theory, they are real threats, and sticking our heads in a hole is not going to solve the problem like the liberals are doing..

1. There's no 'left' in this, this is a money deal period.  There's the Liberals and the Conservatives.
2. These are real threats but anybody who thinks Trudeau is a China loving Communist shouldn't be invited to the discussion.

Harper and Trudeau want China's money, want to mitigate risk, and want to maximize political wins.  We, the people, can say "We don't want to deal with China in this way."

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Some of the most horrible things said about China and the CPC are quite true.  You either toe the line our you are out on you rear.  Long before Xi, a fellow I know was the largest computer manufacturer in China.   He stood beside his employees in Tiananmen Square in Deng's China of 1989.  Believe it or not, there were actually private companies then (thanks to Deng) but if you did as he did and stood up for human rights in public, you were in for a nasty ride.  They took his company, imprisoned him until his family could negotiate his exile and he ended up in Vancouver for some time.  Xi seems to have embraced the four pillars of modern reform, but what is said and what is written is far, far away from what is reality.  If you (GM, VW, etc.) want to be in business in the largest car market in the world, you give up all of your technology and business knowledge to the a 50% partner with some obscure Chinese company and your board will be made up of hand picked party faithful.  If you are minding your own business in let's say South Africa, doing something as obscure as making coffins from wood you import from Canada, you could wake up one morning and find you have a competitor who is making coffins from other woods at far, far lower prices than your offerings, and that company is buying up your legacy competitors as they go tits up one by one.  Today, that obscure Chinese company owns the market that charges top dollar for a coffin in RSA.   And on it goes.

ChIna is not here to be your/our friend, they are here to WIN at whatever they are doing.  That means military, civil, trade, business, economic, strategic....whatever.  They are PREDATORY in business, backed not only by the CPC, but also the wealth of 1/4 of the world's population who have been given the opportunity, encouragement, funding, stolen technology and whatever else it takes to WIN.

I have tremendous respect for the CPC and China and what they have accomplished in 3 short decades, but I also have great fear as I am fully aware of their objectives and abilities to carry out the unwritten policies.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. There's no 'left' in this, this is a money deal period.  There's the Liberals and the Conservatives.
2. These are real threats but anybody who thinks Trudeau is a China loving Communist shouldn't be invited to the discussion.

Harper and Trudeau want China's money, want to mitigate risk, and want to maximize political wins.  We, the people, can say "We don't want to deal with China in this way."

Trudeau left himself open to such accusations when he expressed his admiration for China's basic dictatorship' and how efficiently it worked. And while I don't think he's a communist I think that, like his father, he has a much more favourable view of Communism than any conservative is likely to hold. Witness his eulogy for Fidel Castro which completely ignored human rights abuses, among other things. I think these favorable feelings for China are not uncommon on the Left, shared by the likes of Jean Chretien, John Manley and John McCallum.

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22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. There's no 'left' in this, this is a money deal period.  There's the Liberals and the Conservatives.
2. These are real threats but anybody who thinks Trudeau is a China loving Communist shouldn't be invited to the discussion.

Harper and Trudeau want China's money, want to mitigate risk, and want to maximize political wins.  We, the people, can say "We don't want to deal with China in this way."

Yes Michael there is a huge party divide on this. Today the Cons are talking about being more firm with china, restricting them on investing in our resources or other projects, diversifying our imports / exports more, and condemning their human rights violations . 

The left do recognize the problem, as most government departments are reminding them constantly, but they have failed to do anything real that the public knows of , instead they are using the diplomatic approach with what looks like little success. China has been popping up on a lot of countries radars lately USA, India, Russia, Australia, Canada, European union along with other organizations such as NATO, 5 eyes, and many more  and I'm not sure if the quite diplomatic approach is what is called for here.

As for Justin being a communist, I'm not 100 sure what Justin is, He is a politician more interested in getting re elected and kicking problems down the road when he can. 

Canada as a nation wants China's money, and our industry are making it tough to change directions now. The free western world and it's need to seek out a profit where ever it may be, is responsible for creating china into this world power house, China has now reached a point where it would grow regardless of what the west does. 

Perhaps it is time we start taxing the shit out of these companies that have based their production there, or giving them incentives to move some place else.

I'm surprised that there has not been more out of the left in regards to china's actions around the globe, it's human rights violations, sweat shops with child labor... instead of taking the Liberal approach and being quite about it, perhaps they should be fanning the flames and educate Canadians. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

1. Today the Cons are talking about being more firm with china, restricting them on investing in our resources or other projects, diversifying our imports / exports more, and condemning their human rights violations . 

2. The left do recognize the problem,

3. Canada as a nation wants China's money, and our industry are making it tough to change directions now. The free western world and it's need to seek out a profit where ever it may be, is responsible for creating china into this world power house,

4. China has now reached a point where it would grow regardless of what the west does. 

5. Perhaps it is time we start taxing the shit out of these companies that have based their production there, or giving them incentives to move some place else.

6. I'm surprised that there has not been more out of the left in regards to china's actions around the globe, it's human rights violations, sweat shops with child labor... instead of taking the Liberal approach and being quite about it, perhaps they should be fanning the flames and educate Canadians. 

 

1. Talking - but what are the specifics? "Being more firm" sounds like the kind of non-specific platitude that you don't have to worry about when you win the election.  
2. Who is "the left" ?
3. I assume we *STILL* want to sell to China correct ?  And we *STILL* want China to invest in Canada correct ?  Let's see if we can find somebody with specific suggestions, maybe, to look at as a group.  I think we could at least learn something from that exercise.
4. I don't understand that sentence.  I think even an isolationist economy can "grow" but at what rate ?
5. Specifically - you mean Canadian corporate parents who have invested in production in China ?  But they generate profits in Canada too, which goes to Canadian investors.
6. The left is most definitely concerned with sweat shops.  Specifically forced labour is an issue being exploited by Canadian companies.  There's not much bandwidth given to the true left in this respect.  If you have a reason why that would be, maybe you can tell me because I don't understand it.  Mainstream media barely covers this.

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Talking - but what are the specifics? "Being more firm" sounds like the kind of non-specific platitude that you don't have to worry about when you win the election.  
2. Who is "the left" ?
3. I assume we *STILL* want to sell to China correct ?  And we *STILL* want China to invest in Canada correct ?  Let's see if we can find somebody with specific suggestions, maybe, to look at as a group.  I think we could at least learn something from that exercise.
4. I don't understand that sentence.  I think even an isolationist economy can "grow" but at what rate ?
5. Specifically - you mean Canadian corporate parents who have invested in production in China ?  But they generate profits in Canada too, which goes to Canadian investors.
6. The left is most definitely concerned with sweat shops.  Specifically forced labour is an issue being exploited by Canadian companies.  There's not much bandwidth given to the true left in this respect.  If you have a reason why that would be, maybe you can tell me because I don't understand it.  Mainstream media barely covers this.

1. Chinas actions need atleast a reaction, not just a few words in the media, because we think China holds all the cards, i get it they do hold most of the cards in regards to goods we consume. But thats still no reason to back down from china, or atleast show them some balls so to speak. Start finding other sources for imports, placing taxes on Chinese goods, restricting Chinese investment 

2. Who is the left, Liberals, NDP, Green party, or more specific any thing not on the right side of the spectrum.

3. Yes , restricting does not mean stopping, it means diversifying the same products we import from different countries, so that when China does play hard ball we are not as exposed or vulnerable. Chinese investments have to be looked at very closely, or we will find ourselves in the same boat as Australia found itself, with very large chunks of Australia's major exports being owned by Chinese companies or Chinese government to which they are trying to reverse right now.

4. China has grown to massive size in regards to their economy, that even if the west decided to cut off china right now, it would be survivable, and China would still maintain it's place on the worlds stage. As they own a good chunk of the world.

5. Not just corporations , pension funds as well including the federal pension fund has hundreds of billions of dollars invested in main land china. Yes they generate profits, but here is the rub, most of those profits are going to China so it can continue buying up large chunks of the world, it feeds the Chinese military machine. So why do we see China as a threat and still continue to dump hundreds of billions into their economy... what is wrong with ours ? just saying it is after all Canada's pension plan... every country has production in China, once again why can we not entice these same companies to move production through incentives or tax breaks.

6. Everyone should atleast know about these concentration camps by now. forced labor camps, child labor, and when something is said or done,  China shuts it down , or takes some form of punishing action. Canadians like their cheap shit way to much to make this an issue....

That is one of the problems Little bandwidth on all sides of the government really, and I'm very surprised the left has not hoisted this as one of their causes, like BLM campaign ....Whys is that ? Well the idea is being floated by the right, and the left will not get behind anything from the right., in my opinion. I think the only change we are going to see, if the people get behind it, stop buying Chinese crap and buy local, force Canadians companies to change up their business practices, but i do know one thing nothing will change if we don't do anything which it what it seems the liberals are doing.      

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One of the problems is that China is already so deep in our supply chain, there are a lot of necessary products that can only be bought from China.   They have already killed vast swaths of the North American supply chain...and buried it under a pile of ever-more-expensive Chinese made replacements.   I had to order some brass and bronze fittings for a project this week, and didn't matter WHERE on this continent I looked, they were all from Asia, mostly China (and no doubt the non-Chinese addresses are now Chinese owned).

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

1. Chinas actions need at least a reaction,  

2. Who is the left, Liberals, NDP, Green party, or more specific any thing not on the right side of the spectrum.

3a. Yes , restricting does not mean stopping, it means diversifying the same products we import from different countries, so that when China does play hard ball we are not as exposed or vulnerable.

3b. Chinese investments have to be looked at very closely, or we will find ourselves in the same boat as Australia found itself, with very large chunks of Australia's major exports being owned by Chinese companies or Chinese government to which they are trying to reverse right now.

4. Not just corporations , pension funds as well including the federal pension fund has hundreds of billions of dollars invested in main land china. ... So why do we see China as a threat and still continue to dump hundreds of billions into their economy... what is wrong with ours ? 

5.   Canadians like their cheap shit way to much to make this an issue....

6. That is one of the problems Little bandwidth on all sides of the government really, and I'm very surprised the left has not hoisted this as one of their causes, like BLM campaign ....Whys is that ?

7. Force Canadians companies to change up their business practices, but i do know one thing nothing will change if we don't do anything which it what it seems the liberals are doing.      

Obvious answers, but whatever:

1. What though ?
2. It makes no sense to lump those parties together in this context.
3a.  How do you do that ?  I'm not asking YOU though - as I said in the post you replied to we (the people posting on here) need to bring some specific suggestions.
3b.  Canada doesn't have enough capital and doesn't own its own companies - the US owns a major chunk of Canada today.  Trudeau Sr. had a foreign investment review board.
4.  Money follows money, ie. investments go where the returns are.  
5.  And yet they make a stink over the dumbest things.  CBC regular has a story about somebody not getting paid for their air BnB or some sh**.   Do you remember the story about kids' pajamas in Costco being made by forced labour ?  I don't either.  It did get airplay though:
6. The true left has tried to highlight this story but people don't care.  Racism plays...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/company-making-costco-pyjamas-flagged-for-forced-labour-1.4628776


7. Harper and Trudeau seem to take it on case by case bases.  As for Trudeau, they aren't doing "nothing":
https://financialpost.com/commodities/mining/canada-blocks-china-shandong-gold-mining-buying-tmac


 

 

 

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-what-does-canada-need-to-deal-with-china-allies-the-more-the-better/

Globe and Mail Editorial Oct 1, 2020 calls for Canada to work with its allies to resist Chinese power.  That is maybe more realistic than unilateral action but also doesn't seem particularly feasible.  There's no hybrid of Biden (who would work with us but probably won't do anything about China) and Trump (who wouldn't be interested in our problems, but ostensibly wanted to "stand up to China"  )

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More than 70 years ago, faced with a different sort of threat, Canada helped to create NATO. China is not the Soviet Union and the threat this time is largely not military. But there is a need today for many players to come together, as there was three generations ago, to make themselves big enough earn the respect of a superpower.

Similar approach proposed by The Star:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/09/04/heres-how-canada-could-take-on-china.html

 

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

....Globe and Mail Editorial Oct 1, 2020 calls for Canada to work with its allies to resist Chinese power.  That is maybe more realistic than unilateral action but also doesn't seem particularly feasible.  There's no hybrid of Biden (who would work with us but probably won't do anything about China) and Trump (who wouldn't be interested in our problems, but ostensibly wanted to "stand up to China"  )

 

Doesn't Canada have more cache with "allies" other than the United States when it comes to China policies ?   Or is this just another acknowledgement that Canada in particular looks to the United States to do most of the heavy lifting, as usual ?   To be clear, the EU and Asia are not interested in Canada's problems either.

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2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Doesn't Canada have more cache with "allies" other than the United States when it comes to China policies ?   Or is this just another acknowledgement that Canada in particular looks to the United States to do most of the heavy lifting, as usual ?   To be clear, the EU and Asia are not interested in Canada's problems either.

Ah yes, it was our policies that got the Michaels 'kidnapped', so we should do the heavy lifting.  

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6 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Ah yes, it was our policies that got the Michaels 'kidnapped', so we should do the heavy lifting.  

 

Yes, but your PM is weak and has no balls.   Chretien or Harper would have traded Meng for Michaels.    China knows that Trudeau is very weak...because he is.

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9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1. Doesn't Canada have more cache with "allies" other than the United States when it comes to China policies ?  
2. Or is this just another acknowledgement that Canada in particular looks to the United States to do most of the heavy lifting, as usual ?  
3. To be clear, the EU and Asia are not interested in Canada's problems either.

1. Relative to size, yes.  But no.
2. Yes, another acknowledgement with the attendant resentment that comes from being guilted by you repeatedly.
3. This is an economic union, though.  Canada's problems are aligned with the others' if China plays us off against each other.
 

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