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17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The sequence of events will go like this;

When the crisis hits, people will prolly run to the NDP because the Dippers will promise them Fairy's and Unicorns.  Hopey Changey.

Then when that inevitably fails miserably, that is when the mood with get really ugly and the reactionaries will rule.

Doesn’t sound like a very happy scenario for Canadians.

Persistently low interest rates are an unexpected international trend, possibly due to such factors as globalization and technological innovation - Lord knows when they will come up again. In the meantime, politicians should deal with the current reality. 

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And they are on welfare. Let's not forget that. The Syrians, like other refugees, have no job skills to speak of, and little or no language skills. What jobs they can get are for largely for unskilled

Demonizing any platform that seeks to LESSEN immigration in any way, is the new tactic by globalists who want to knock down borders and sovereignty!  Trudeau, and the other socialist-leaning part

To extremists like you anyone who disagrees is a racist and white supremacist. You have no credibility here.

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1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Doesn’t sound like a very happy scenario for Canadians.

Persistently low interest rates are an unexpected international trend, possibly due to such factors as globalization and technological innovation - Lord knows when they will come up again. In the meantime, politicians should deal with the current reality. 

Yes, yes, Canadians only think short term, there is no leadership, the political class simply panders to their delusions.

Keep going with that, great plan. 

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14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Yes, yes, Canadians only think short term, there is no leadership, the political class simply panders to their delusions.

Keep going with that, great plan. 

The end is nigh is hardly a plan, Dougie. Shouting on the corner like a crazy person isn’t going to impress too many people. We had a consensus in this country from Wilson to Harper on fiscal probity that was promoted by centrists. 

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1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The end is nigh is hardly a plan, Dougie. 

It's not the end, merely a correction.   Corrections are  a good thing.  It needs to happen.  The longer things go without it, the worse the shock will be.

Canadians can't stop it, it's a global paradigm, none the less,  you should start hedging yourself for the inevitable correction now, so you don't get crushed.

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem for Bernier is that any new good ideas that the PPC might have, including on immigration, are overshadowed by a handful of extreme elements.  

Any right wing party is going to attract such elements. They do need a better organizational structure to back-check people and keep them out.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The immigration debate is an important one, but it cannot be about race.  Having a discussion about values should be fine, but clearly even that was perceived as a cloaked form of race-based immigration by the general public.  

Rather, it's perceived that way by the mainstream media which is almost 100% progressive on social values issues. But there's nothing they can do about that. Anyone who advocates cutting immigration will be the mortal enemy of all mainstream journalists in Canada.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The public’s touchiness on the subject and the fear of political figures to tackle and resolve a way forward on this are a huge problem for Canada, because we really could compromise the country without better control of immigration.  

The Tories could have done this, which would have done a lot to sap the PPC of interest, but they chose instead to embrace Trudeau's immigration program. I don't personally see where anything the PPC proposed would bother most Canadians - aside from the progressives who would never vote for them anyway. But they need to do a better job of getting that information out there.

 

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48 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The political arena is a marketplace and I don’t see a big demand there for a rightward shift by the Tories. 

There are a lot of conservatives in this country. If you leave Quebec out of the picture they might even be the majority. Right now the "Conservative" party has no conservative policies. So the PPC need only appeal to the conservatives with conservative policies, and hopefully the "Conservative" party will disappear just like the Progressive Conservatives did. It will take some time, though, unfortunately.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not the end, merely a correction.   Corrections are  a good thing.  It needs to happen.  The longer things go without it, the worse the shock will be.

Canadians can't stop it, it's a global paradigm, none the less,  you should start hedging yourself for the inevitable correction now, so you don't get crushed.

Unless multiple countries collapse and disappear off the map I’ll be OK, but younger people are facing serious challenges no matter who is in charge. 

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2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Unless multiple countries collapse and disappear off the map I’ll be OK, but younger people are facing serious challenges no matter who is in charge. 

The bullshit is piled high in Canada, and it's Canadians who are bullshitting themselves.

Economic crisis of the middle class, government needs to intervene with massive stimulus?

Total bullshit, the economy in Canada right now is the best it been in decades.

Because the whole world is inflated by American, Chinese and European policy stimulus.

There's no hard times in Canada now, Canadians are ridiculous to think so.

When the hard times come tho, the Liberals will have already blown their wad on handouts in a booming market, so they won't have anything left in the tank to get out of the ditch

Younger people are just soft as warm baby shit, they've never experienced hard times, they think this is hard times?  Comical.

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These butter soft young people who think that not getting a discount on their smart phone bill is "hard times" are going to be the reactionary foot soldiers when they find out what hard times are really like.

The Sunny Ways youth of today, are the reactionary pseudo fascists of the future.

Zeitgeist knows.

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13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem for Bernier is that any new good ideas that the PPC might have, including on immigration, are overshadowed by a handful of extreme elements.  

Like this?

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Muslims are like communists. They both can never be trusted in what they say. They will both lie to your face without any hesitation and when your back is turned towards them they will give you the finger.

Or this?

  Argus said:

Oh yes, if only we facilitated them more, we'd have no drug filled slums full of an "underclass" no ethnic street gangs, no drive-bys, no growing squalor and poverty! It's all our fault for not properly aclimating the goat herders the federal government lets in!

 

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Demonizing any platform that seeks to LESSEN immigration in any way, is the new tactic by globalists who want to knock down borders and sovereignty! 

Trudeau, and the other socialist-leaning parties are blue-blooded globalists!  They have too, all the mainstream Canadian media on their side - some, most likely even in their pocket!

 

Sadly, majority of Canadians have been brainwashed and "programmed" - thanks largely to our media -  and had lost the capability to think practically - heck, they don't think for themselves anymore!  Common sense, is alien to them!

 

True conservatism is dead in Canada.  The only chance of its revival would be for Canada to really hit rock bottom - not unlike Venezuela!  

 

"Flooding" rich and once powerful western nations, is a way to weaken them!  Just look at European nations!

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PPC did split the vote and gave a riding to the Liberals  in at least two ridings I know of.  In  Richmond Hill. the difference was 112 votes with PPC receiving 507 votes.  Also Kitchener Conestoga, -  783 votes for PPC. Harold Albrecht lost by 273.

 I have read elsewhere that the PPC actually cost the CPC 8 seats which would have resulted in a much weaker Liberal minority.    

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4 minutes ago, scribblet said:

PPC did split the vote and gave a riding to the Liberals  in at least two ridings I know of.  In  Richmond Hill. the difference was 112 votes with PPC receiving 507 votes.  Also Kitchener Conestoga, -  783 votes for PPC. Harold Albrecht lost by 273.

 I have read elsewhere that the PPC actually cost the CPC 8 seats which would have resulted in a much weaker Liberal minority.    

8 seats means nothing. The vote split was irrelevant.

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3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

8 seats means nothing. The vote split was irrelevant.

Not entirely,  fewer seats - not so easy to ram stuff thrugh/ 

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3 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Not entirely,  fewer seats - not so easy to ram stuff thrugh/ 

If they don't let you ram stuff through, they get blamed for another election being triggered early, which results in more seats for you with which to ram things through. The Liberal base and progressive swing voters weren't that enthusiastic for Trudeau, but if Trudeau is thrown down early over some nonsense, they'll rally to the Liberals and punish those who brought them back to the polls so early.

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1 hour ago, scribblet said:

PPC did split the vote and gave a riding to the Liberals  in at least two ridings I know of.  In  Richmond Hill. the difference was 112 votes with PPC receiving 507 votes.  Also Kitchener Conestoga, -  783 votes for PPC. Harold Albrecht lost by 273.

 I have read elsewhere that the PPC actually cost the CPC 8 seats which would have resulted in a much weaker Liberal minority.    

I don't see it that way, I see it as Scheer failing to get his message across, the last week in the campaign Scheer was not even close to the top of his game, there was issue with his message, which according to media was out right lies, more assumptions than anything...and they called him out on it I mean being liberal funded what did he think they would do....Thats not conservative style, should have kept a clean campaign, stuck to facts...

I think PPC party was attacked by all sides, with perhaps one exception the Greens...painted the alt right , because of a few candidates with questionable characters.. no where near the numbers of liberal with questionable characters...like Justin, and his number 2 man...   , nothing is said that the liberal party lost 6 candidates due to racist or homophobic remarks, and other parties also had candidates that made remarks that did nothing.. but once again Canadians are programed to see Nazi flags and goose stepping troops when every the right is mentioned....

I think the right needs more choices, thinking that PPC was hard core right is laughable...it was painted that way because of special interest groups where afraid of some of the PPC platform.... I think Scheer needs to step down or step up....

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4 hours ago, betsy said:

True conservatism is dead in Canada. 

Any sort of conservatism is dead in Canada.

Just look at this stabbing at the school in Hamilton.

It's feral youth, the parents come to the school to stop their son from being bullied, the father is bear sprayed,  the son is killed, the mother is standing there watching.

Why?  Because the school system does nothing, the kids are running amok, apparently one in three is assaulted, two thirds don't even report it.

Since neither the school nor the parents could protect the kid in Hamilton from being murdered right in front of them, I can see why the kids don't report.

I mean, this is breakdown of civil order due to total lack of leadership by the adults in the room.

The cancer is Canada's bones transcends governance, Canada is socially bankrupt as well.

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8 hours ago, marcus said:
  Argus said:

Oh yes, if only we facilitated them more, we'd have no drug filled slums full of an "underclass" no ethnic street gangs, no drive-bys, no growing squalor and poverty! It's all our fault for not properly aclimating the goat herders the federal government lets in!

Anything actually factually incorrect about any of that? Hmm, snowflake?

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3 hours ago, scribblet said:

Not entirely,  fewer seats - not so easy to ram stuff thrugh/ 

I think, presuming all or almost all the PPC votes went to the CPC, it cost them half a dozen seats.

It will cost them far more next time around if the CPC doesn't do something about ignoring the base.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Anything actually factually incorrect about any of that? Hmm, snowflake?

If you think racism and bigotry is correct, then I guess there is nothing wrong with your racism and bigotry from your perspective.

 

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4 hours ago, scribblet said:

PPC did split the vote and gave a riding to the Liberals  in at least two ridings I know of.  In  Richmond Hill. the difference was 112 votes with PPC receiving 507 votes.  Also Kitchener Conestoga, -  783 votes for PPC. Harold Albrecht lost by 273.

 I have read elsewhere that the PPC actually cost the CPC 8 seats which would have resulted in a much weaker Liberal minority.    

You're reaching really hard. The PPC was a non-factor.

 

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Wanting to lower immigration levels to 1980's levels is not racist or bigoted. Stop being so easily brainwashed.

Of course it's not.

But calling people from certain countries and ethnic background goat herders, terrorist lovers, etc. is racist and bigoted.

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