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3 hours ago, marcus said:

I call bs on your so-called experiences. 

Many Muslim women don't wear hejab. Maybe that's why you didn't know that they were at clubs. 

Also, how do you know the men you see at clubs are Muslim? Do you go around asking if they are?

Women have to be believed now that Clinton is out of office. Don't you watch CNN?

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3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Women have to be believed now that Clinton is out of office. 

Islam teaches that women have an inferior place in society and need to be punished and/or guided by men in everything they do, and that men have been given divine authority to do so.  I'm not sure why it is surprising that quite a few of them treat women very poorly.  I guess it would be surprising to those not female.

I lived in a Muslim majority area, too and I had very similar experiences to Teena's.

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2 hours ago, Teena said:

Well said Argus. Sharia Law scares me. Sharia Law = Prisoner

When I went to Malaysia, I never saw one women in a viel or a burka.

You could see all their faces.

I could walk around Dollarama, no Drils or Walmart.... Every week I see at least on person in a veil or burka.

Malaysia doesn't even want the viels and burkas.

Only in Justin Trudeau's Canda.

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48 minutes ago, Shady said:

Christianity went through a reformation period.  And that was good.  Unfortunately we’re still waiting for Islam’s reformation.  Hopefully they’ll catch up to other religions in a few hundred years.  Since that’s how far behind they are.

So the ten commandments are no longer relevant? Which denomination preaches that?

Society went through a reform by distancing them selves from religion, refered to as separation of church and state.

I too hope, those societies also distance themselves from their religion.

My point is as its always been you can't use religion to denounce one society while ignoring that the religion that founded ours, that we moved away from has many of the same doctrines

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23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Islam teaches that women have an inferior place in society and need to be punished and/or guided by men in everything they do, and that men have been given divine authority to do so.  I'm not sure why it is surprising that quite a few of them treat women very poorly.  I guess it would be surprising to those not female.

I lived in a Muslim majority area, too and I had very similar experiences to Teena's.

Christ over man, man over women, women over children, that's the Christian gods order as written in the Bible.

Catholics still won't let women be priests, because the bible says as much

But Muslims right?

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6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Christ over man, man over women, women over children, that's the Christian gods order as written in the Bible.

Catholics still won't let women be priests, because the bible says as much

But Muslims right?

Is there another religion that women aren't allowed out of the house without being covered?  They're being killed and beaten if they do?  Their holy books tell husbands to beat their wives?

Also, I have a female friend who's a Christian Gnostic bishop.

You are certainly partial to the false equivalency fallacy.

 

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14 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

So the ten commandments are no longer relevant? Which denomination preaches that?

Society went through a reform by distancing them selves from religion, refered to as separation of church and state.

I too hope, those societies also distance themselves from their religion.

My point is as its always been you can't use religion to denounce one society while ignoring that the religion that founded ours, that we moved away from has many of the same doctrines

Sure you can.  You just look at current behaviour, without any consideration for race, colour, culture or region.  And not worrying about who you might offend.

11 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Christ over man, man over women, women over children, that's the Christian gods order as written in the Bible.

Catholics still won't let women be priests, because the bible says as much

But Muslims right?

It's funny sometimes to watch the attempts at equivalency. 

If you really think the Catholic church's prohibition of women entering the priesthood is equivalent to Islam's treatment of women in general could you just confirm that for the record?

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14 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

So the ten commandments are no longer relevant? Which denomination preaches that?

Is there something you find hateful about the ten commandments?

14 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Society went through a reform by distancing them selves from religion, refered to as separation of church and state.

No. The Christian churches went through a reformation about how they view their doctrine and what interpretations to place on various parts of scripture. Thee separation of church and state has nothing to do with why Christian churches no longer sanction violence or persecution, even towards those who attack them.

14 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

My point is as its always been you can't use religion to denounce one society while ignoring that the religion that founded ours, that we moved away from has many of the same doctrines

You can certainly denounce the values of religious societies which are demonstrably and observably worse and more bigoted and violent and hateful than our own.

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On 11/13/2019 at 2:03 PM, dialamah said:

Tell that to the people who call themselves Christians and shame, attack, harass and shoot at abortion providers and their patients.  Or those who do not allow gay people into their congregation, or allow women to hold positions of authority.  Not to mention Christians in third world nations who believe that gays should be killed or at least jailed for life, that polygamy is God's will and that honor killings are acceptable when women misbehave. 

Here is what you need to understand when you are judging a group of people:

There are leaders who set the standard for a group, and then there are members who live by those standards who are truly a part of the group, and there are people who say that they are members but don't live by the pre-set standards. Just because someone says that they belong to a group doesn't mean that they really do, or that their actions are representative of their group.

If you joined the Nazi party and then helped Jews escape to other countries you wouldn't really be a Nazi per se, you'd be a hero dressed in a costume that didn't jive with your character. If you went to church and then went home to break as many commandments as you could every day you wouldn't really be a Christian, you'd just be a hypocrite or a maybe even a con artist. 

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Not to mention Christians in third world nations who believe that gays should be killed or at least jailed for life, that polygamy is God's will and that honor killings are acceptable when women misbehave. 

When you talk about "Christians who did things", you're only talking about people who did things which weren't Christian in nature yet who claim to be Christian. That's like saying that Clifford Olson is a Canadian and trying to act as though he did what he did as a result of his nationality.  

What you're doing is assigning a negative character trait to a group of people to whom that trait is not actually common or even allowed. That's truly disgusting dialamah. 

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49 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Islam teaches that women have an inferior place in society and need to be punished and/or guided by men in everything they do, and that men have been given divine authority to do so.  I'm not sure why it is surprising that quite a few of them treat women very poorly.  I guess it would be surprising to those not female.

I lived in a Muslim majority area, too and I had very similar experiences to Teena's.

I was talking to a muslim a few weeks ago and he was telling me that most people join islam by choice, and that almost no one was ever forced to join the religion on pain of death lol. He used one of Ghenghis Khans grandsons as an example of a person who joined islam even though he was in a position where could never have been forced to do it, as if that somehow proves that no one was ever forced to do it.

Fact is, there's nothing preventing a man from becoming a muslim if he's a bit evil around the edges. Marrying multiple women is legal and so is beheading prisoners of war. Forcing women and children into slavery is also acceptable and by islamic law, slaves can't stop their owners from having sex with them. What more could you ask for if you're in a position of power than the divine right to do whatever you want to anyone that you manage to get power over? Party like you're Al-Baghdadi baby!

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11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Fact is, there's nothing preventing a man from becoming a muslim if he's a bit evil around the edges.

I'm a bit evil around the edges, which is why I don't succumb to the virtue signalling of the leftist Sharia mob.

You're not going to put a stop to it by being goody two shoes, the left fights dirty, they deserve no quarter, this iteration of the left needs to be defeated by any means necessary.

This is a civil war, it's simply an Information War.

I was sworn to mass murder for the Crown, so I have no compunction about doing evil for the larger good when push comes to shove.

Everybody comes out on Remembrance Day to pat themselves on the back for wearing a poppy, by they never look in the face what is done in their name.

What does that  poppy really represent?   State sanctioned mass murder in defense of the British Crown.

Evil done, in the defence of Her Majesty.

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37 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Islam teaches that women have an inferior place in society and need to be punished and/or guided by men in everything they do

Christianity and Judaism teach the same thing.  Islam follows the rules of the old and new testament, which were written by men during a time where these things were accepted.

In all of these religions women are sometimes portrayed as men's equals and other times as men's subordinates — or property.

There are many countries and cultures around the world. There are overlaps in their beliefs and there are differences. Just because two people are considered Muslim, it doesn't mean that they believe or practice the same thing. The same goes for other religions. It's so ridiculous when people view people so superficially.

These are Jewish people, but they have different beliefs and ideas:

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These are all Muslims in Iran, but they have different beliefs and ideas:

 

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These are Muslims in Jordan:

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Women are my equal before the law,  but they are not my equal when it comes to security of the person.

No woman stands a chance against me if it is case of force, not even if they have a gun, because I'm a gunfighter by trade.

The Muj they are bringing into Canada, are like me, many of them are gunfighters of military age and experience.

Them against me, that's a stand up fight, them against a woman, that's a mismatch.

So I can certainly see why women are more afraid of the Muj than I am.

At which point, it's not really about how I view the Muj anymore,

I must be at the disposal of the women when it comes to their security, they make the call, I stand at their service.

Can't save them from themselves though, if they choose to side with the Muj,  that is their prerogative, as equals before the law.

I don't tell women what they should or should not be concerned about, they tell me, then I ask them how I may assist them.

You must prepared to go to war for your women, but they decide when that is required.

A Muj is not going to back down to a woman, if she doesn't call for assistance, she's back against a wall then.

This extends to all women in Canada, if they don't sound the alarm, then we their warriors have no mandate to intercede.

I will put myself between a woman and any threat on this earth, but if she's not my wife, she has to ring that bell.

Where I grew up in the 6ix, if a white girl rang the bell, she'd have twenty of us at her side in no time flat.

Black girls, Muslim girls, Chinese girls, were not our business, but white girls were protected.

Back then,  'Canadian girls' were white, those were our girls, Muslim girls were with their guys, not us.

If a white girl chose to date another race?  Couldn't help her, she put herself beyond our protection, can't start a war for her then.

There were white girls wearing sunglasses because they got punched out, but if her West Indian boyfriend did it, he was protected by his crew.

The Yardies didn't mess with white girls who did not come over to them of their own free will, but once she did, she was with the Yardies.

White girls who dated Blacks or Muslims were viewed as being whores.

Us white guys were outnumbered ten to one, we would go to war for one of our own, but not for a whore.

If Mother Canada is going to choose to prostrate herself to the Muj like a two nickel whore, that's on her, can't save her from herself.

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On 10/30/2019 at 5:07 PM, eyeball said:

It's when stupid righties associate a handful of lame lefties with millions if not billions of normal lefties around the world that's at issue. Problem being there's little to no recognition of what a normal lefty is and to your ilk they're all lame.  You see the same thing when trying to point out normal Muslims to you people - there simply are none in your stupid universe.

It is just as stupid when the left associates a handful of right wing yahoos with every single Conservative. Truth is there are blow-hards and whingers on both sides of many issues in Canada today.  Unfortunately, these disparate vocal entities get all the press. 

 

 

 

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On 11/2/2019 at 12:13 PM, Argus said:

Calling Meghan Murphy alt-right is ludicrous. She isn't even conservative. She's always been over on the Left of the political spectrum and very much typical of the feminist radical with deep suspicion of men.

"Murphy, a self-described socialist and radical feminist, has been an outspoken critic of the transgender activist movement, claiming that it has an outsized sociopolitical influence, especially in her native Canada."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/progressive-feminist-suspended-twitter-after-frank-camp

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Just now, mowich said:

"Murphy, a self-described socialist and radical feminist, has been an outspoken critic of the transgender activist movement, claiming that it has an outsized sociopolitical influence, especially in her native Canada."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/progressive-feminist-suspended-twitter-after-frank-camp

They call them TERFs     Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists.

As per usual, the left is eating its own as it goes down the degenerate rabbit hole.

"La révolution dévore ses enfants" ~ Jacques Mallet du Pan

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On 11/12/2019 at 1:47 PM, eyeball said:

So you're saying centuries of gay-unfriendliness is actually the fault of liberals and Islamic homophobes are progressive?

Who knew?

So your main arguments rely on age old happenings that have no application today.  Right.

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

They call them TERFs     Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists.

As per usual, the left is eating its own as it goes down the degenerate rabbit hole.

"La révolution dévore ses enfants" ~ Jacques Mallet du Pan

"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all."

John W. Gardner

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Just now, mowich said:

"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all."

John W. Gardner

I can't get up on my high horse about it, as I am a political extremist myself.

I simply adopt the position of no enemies on the right while I enjoy watching the left go into their routine of assembling a circular firing squad.

 

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3 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Christ over man, man over women, women over children, that's the Christian gods order as written in the Bible.

Catholics still won't let women be priests, because the bible says as much

But Muslims right?

Yes, if you look at reality objectively.  North American Christians are much more progressive than Muslims anywhere.  But I’m not sure why your comparing the Catholic Church and whether they allow women priests to the regressive Muslim societies.  Where large percentages believe in killing homosexuals, stoning women, and death for anyone that leaves the faith.  You think that’s on par with not having women priests?  Besides, there’s actually a significant discussion within the church about allowing women to be priests.  Do you think women will be Imam’s before that happens or after? :lol:

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

Christianity went through a reformation period.  And that was good.  Unfortunately we’re still waiting for Islam’s reformation.  Hopefully they’ll catch up to other religions in a few hundred years.  Since that’s how far behind they are.

It was getting underway in places but then a bunch of assholes in the so-called reformed west decided it was a better idea to set much of the Islamic world on fire.

That's pretty much why everything is as far behind as it is. 

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2 hours ago, mowich said:

So your main arguments rely on age old happenings that have no application today.  Right.

They're not arguments they're questions based on WCM''s train of 'thought'.  I'm just picking thru the wreckage looking for clues to how it all goes together.   

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8 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Then please explain what the Law of moses is

Leviticus and Deuteronomy aren't part of the moral code all Christians should follow as written by god? Who needs to read the Bible?

Religious hatred and bigotry, i agree i hate almost everything religion stands for. I also know i have higher morals then the god of the Bible, 

Im blind? Please you pit one supernatural claim above the other, simply because you were raised a certain way 

Actually no.  The 613 laws and the Ten Commandments of the OT were essentially reduced to two commandments in Christianity: love God and love thy neighbor as yourself.  In Judaism many rabbinical studies and texts that interpret the Torah have provided nuanced interpretations that over time demonstrated a more progressive morality than what came before.  Religions evolve.  The first universities were religious institutions and now modern science is influencing morality.  Religion was the original science.  It’s all historic record of humanity’s understanding of the universe and the implications, moral and otherwise, of living within it.  Some people have decided that science contradicts faith and have discarded religion.  Others believe that science and faith are compatible.  That’s fine.  Most religions have far more in common with each other than differences.  We do the best we can to understand what’s going on.  Just don’t forget that our democratic institutions were built on the collective wisdom of centuries old traditions.  Be careful about how dismissive you are about those traditions, as many of our rights and freedoms today are predicated on them.  I have far more faith in the evolving collective wisdom than the radical forgetting of a supreme leader or truth defining political party.  That’s why the Catholic Church and many institutions move slowly, because once something new becomes accepted practice the genie can’t be put back in the bottle and the consequences are far reaching.  Secular society in a democracy can move more quickly, yet the pendulum often swings back and forth as practices that once made sense are deemed retrograde or obsolete.  As a general rule I follow the moderates.  Hesiod had it right in 700BC:  “Moderation in all things.”

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