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The coroner says the evidence shows that it is more probable that the sex trafficker for the Clintons and other elites was strangulated rather than hung.

This comes after the fact that so many Liberal media tried to call out "conspiracy theories" and "fake news" about his death.

Baden, 85, the coroner, has done over 20 000 autopsies in his career.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide

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You're saying a federal prisoner under Trump's Department of Justice was assassinated and that prisoner coincidentally would have information on the allegations that he provided Trump with a young girl whom Trump beat and raped?

How do you spin that one to try and blame Hillary, the media, and the deep state? That's going to be difficult without sounding crazy.

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He was murdered...pretty simple. By who? Well, the odds makers no doubt have more of a clue than most.

 

 

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1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

This comes after the fact that so many Liberal media.... 

The Liberals even have their very own media outlets in the US?

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It sure sounds like somebody there took matters into their own hands.  Conveniently the cameras malfunctioned at around the same time I think.

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5 hours ago, eyeball said:

No they're not. They're not even very liberal. 

You're an uninformed individual if you believe that 

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42 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

You're an uninformed individual if you believe that 

When anyone puts the term Liberal and media together the way you did it's pretty clear you mean a media outlet that's run or owned by a political party or vise versa.  IOW a liberal media is not a Liberal media but like a lot of folks these days you just use these terms and names without putting any real thought into it.

In either case the certainty there's some vast ideological government/media conspiracy manipulating and controlling your thoughts is just bat-shit crazy.  Get yourself a bullshit-filter. They're so cheap they've been giving them away at schools and libraries for free for years. 

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29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When anyone puts the term Liberal and media together the way you did it's pretty clear you mean a media outlet that's run or owned by a political party or vise versa.  IOW a liberal media is not a Liberal media but like a lot of folks these days you just use these terms and names without putting any real thought into it.

In either case the certainty there's some vast ideological government/media conspiracy manipulating and controlling your thoughts is just bat-shit crazy.  Get yourself a bullshit-filter. They're so cheap they've been giving them away at schools and libraries for free for years. 

Oh, the capital letter, that's so important.

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17 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Oh, the capital letter, that's so important.

That must be why you used it twice in this thread.  Words don't matter to you or something? 

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On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 10:33 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

The coroner says the evidence shows that it is more probable that the sex trafficker for the Clintons and other elites was strangulated rather than hung.

This comes after the fact that so many Liberal media tried to call out "conspiracy theories" and "fake news" about his death.

Baden, 85, the coroner, has done over 20 000 autopsies in his career.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide

 Baden will die of natural causes by next week.

By the way Trump as well as Clinton et al, is knee deep in this crap.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/07/trump-epstein-back-story-is-getting-worse-by-the-day/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/10/jeffrey-epstein-boasted-that-he-played-matchmaker-for-donald-and-melania-trump-report-says/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

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A little glimpse behind that thin veil. Hello super elite, this is your world. He became a threat to the deep state.

Epstein's murder is only one part of it, there is more work to be done. Judges to be bought off, police chiefs. Coroners. Anyone who can be killed without tracing it back to the investigation, will be killed.

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On 11/3/2019 at 5:58 AM, Rue said:

Those links are from unknown sources, and that doesn't look like an underage girl at all to me.

He's 6'3, and wearing dress shoes which would have 3/4 of an inch or more for a heel so he's about 6'4 there. She looks to be about 3" shorter in that pic, so with 3" heels she's a full 5'9 (+3" =6'0) at least, maybe 5'10 or 5'11 max.  Any 20 yr old guy on the planet would be going for that girl if they were single. That pic is not the slightest bit incriminating unless it's from an exclusive party at Mar-A-Lago from the 2000s.

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On 11/3/2019 at 6:16 AM, OftenWrong said:

A little glimpse behind that thin veil. Hello super elite, this is your world. He became a threat to the deep state.

Epstein's murder is only one part of it, there is more work to be done. Judges to be bought off, police chiefs. Coroners. Anyone who can be killed without tracing it back to the investigation, will be killed.

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist but if a Coroner was dumb enough to rule that Epstein died of strangulation that would be akin to committing suicide by jumping down an elevator shaft onto some bullets. 

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18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Those links are from unknown sources, and that doesn't look like an underage girl at all to me.

He's 6'3, and wearing dress shoes which would have 3/4 of an inch or more for a heel so he's about 6'4 there. She looks to be about 3" shorter in that pic, so with 3" heels she's a full 5'9 (+3" =6'0) at least, maybe 5'10 or 5'11 max.  Any 20 yr old guy on the planet would be going for that girl if they were single. That pic is not the slightest bit incriminating unless it's from an exclusive party at Mar-A-Lago from the 2000s.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/17/trump-jeffrey-epstein-party-footage-surfaces

 

How about a video instead?  Of course there's no proof(and probably never will be) but I bet trump had something to do with his "suicide"

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4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That pic is not the slightest bit incriminating unless it's from an exclusive party at Mar-A-Lago from the 2000s.

Apparently Donald Trump admitted to knowing Epstein, but did not maintain a friendship with him. The implication was that Trump didn't like Epstein being into the young stuff. It seems Donald prefers more mature women, be they torrid skanks or supermodels. Unlike Bill Clinton who has been to Lolita Island dozens of times. Consider what would be at stake if more details come out about Bill Clinton's indiscretions, not just for him but his businesses, his legacy, even the democrat brand.

Next up we have Prince Andrew. Royalty... the scandal is even more hurtful, to even wealthier people than Bill Clinton. Given just these two names alone, and what's at stake for them you can see why Epstein had to die. In fact he may have been the most dead person alive while waiting in that holding cell. Clearly he knew this, and so either he was killed or was given the means to do it himself. I'll wager he needed some help.

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16 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/17/trump-jeffrey-epstein-party-footage-surfaces

 

How about a video instead?  Of course there's no proof(and probably never will be) but I bet trump had something to do with his "suicide"

1992, 27 years ago. Who knows what Epstein was into three decades ago, way back before people had cel phones? There were no underage girls in the video. This isn't incriminating. 

Bill Clinton making two trips the island on the Lolita Express while he was POTUS is incriminating. There's no denying what Epstein was into at that stage of his life. Going to that island once might have been a mistake, going twice was not a mistake it was a decision.

For all the video that they're finding about Trump and Epstein there's far more of Clinton and Epstein because Clinton's trips happened in the smart phone era. Your sources are just hiding that while they are trying to smear Trump.

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Firstly, a quibble on terms. One can speak of strangulated hernias but people are strangled.
 

Lord knows what happened in that cell. What can be said is that the available forensic evidence does not appear to exclude suicidal hanging. It used to be received wisdom in forensic pathology that hyoid bone fractures were highly suspicious of manual strangulation - if one found them unexpectedly in an autopsy on a young woman the authorities would be contacted right away. However, several recent studies report that hyoid bone fractures are quite common in suicidal hangings, especially in older men. Wiki gives an incidence of 27%
 

Hyoid bone fracture - Wikipedia

 
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This study found an incidence of 39%:
 


Note that this was a prospective study which presumably had clear criteria for examining neck structures to look for small fractures that might be missed in a routine exam of an obvious hanging case.

Even if Epstein was incompletely suspended (feet on the ground), he could still have fractured his hyoid bone during a suicidal hanging. Both complete and incomplete suspension cause laryngohyoid fractures. In one study they were twice as common in older subjects when there was complete suspension:
 

The incidence of fractures did not vary significantly with the type of suspension (i.e. complete hanging with feet off the ground or incomplete hanging with body parts partially supporting the weight of the body) (χ(2)=3.12; p=.077; Phi=.077) and the type of ligature (i.e. narrow vs wide) (χ(2)=.05; p=.828; Phi=.015). However, when taking the age of the victims into account, a different picture was revealed: in individuals aged 40 years or more, victims with complete suspension of the body presented with a significantly higher incidence of fractures (63.2%) compared to victims with incomplete suspension (31.0%) (χ(2)=6.79; p=.009; Phi=.318).
 

However, even with incomplete suspension, the frequency of fractures is 31% in older subjects. I presume the percentage of hyoid bone fractures in particular is in the paper.

Lastly, for the conspiracy junkies, here’s a paper describing a case of a staged hanging of the body by the offender after homicidal strangulation:
 

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So who murdered Epstein? 

The Royals?

The Clintons?

Someone else?

 

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11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

So who murdered Epstein? 

The Royals?

The Clintons?

Someone else?

 

Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot, wasn't he?  I can see a cammed up Hillary and Bill rapelling in from a chopper to do the deed.

Of course, they'd probably get into trouble because of the blackface.

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53 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

So who murdered Epstein? 

The Royals?

The Clintons?

Someone else?

 

People who don't watch at least some Fox News when they are checking in on America are just mindless drones imo. They're just blindly following their handlers who say "Don't look over there. Don't even expose yourself to the lies! When things make more sense you know they're false!"

The quality of the dialogue at Fox News and the accuracy of the reporting is head and shoulders above what's considered normal at CNN, etc. 

Jesse made a great point about the fact that ABC literally pushed crap about Kavanaugh etc that had no reliable basis in fact and they quashed a story with videos, photos and several witnesses. Any witness with actual evidence is a good witness. The Kavanaugh case had NONE of that.

ABC News just goes on the scrapheap with CNN, NYT and WashPo imo. Once your credibility is riddled with more holes than Swiss cheese there's no coming back.

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I love this story... its another "look over here, look over here" one. hahaha! cause we should probably ignore the fact that Epstein came to justice in the first place because the NY DA were obviously not satisfied with the luxury treatment he got from republican "justice" in Florida. this is a common thread to Fox news and the Republican machine... "anything we do bad, make it sound like the other side actually did the bad thing". it works for people who have the intellect of a child. "Republicans were protecting Epstein because he had the dirt on the Democrats and he was, like, about to tell us everything and that's why we let him off easy until the damn Democrats assassinated him."

well, guess we'll never know now... as usual, Fox is free to spin without anything EVER going to court because there isn't a shred of evidence.

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