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IM on Social assistance (Oshawa works) IM planning on asking to appl  for ODSP. Can  get on for Anxiety disorder? I can't live off of OW. Not enough money.  IM having a hard time bring up the subject with my Case worker. I don't feel she really listens. I feel they are kind of pushy at times...….. I just don't feel comfortable with her Anyone feel this why>? I just know when I get emotional I get upset and not able to speak up

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1 hour ago, krissy8237 said:

IM on Social assistance (Oshawa works) IM planning on asking to appl  for ODSP. Can  get on for Anxiety disorder? I can't live off of OW. Not enough money.  IM having a hard time bring up the subject with my Case worker. I don't feel she really listens. I feel they are kind of pushy at times...….. I just don't feel comfortable with her Anyone feel this why>? I just know when I get emotional I get upset and not able to speak up

Things were easier under Mike Harris. What we should be doing is eliminating the minimum wage, that way anyone who's willing to work, would have the opportunity to get a job.

I suspect a lot more people will end up on social assistance, because our politicians continue to lack common sense.

Minimum wage use to be $6.85 an hour, in $2003. These days if young people want to work, employeers just tell them to get lost. How can anyone afford $14 an hour? It's rediculous.

 

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If you are physically able to work and you seek assistance from the Crown : join the armed forces.

The pay is good, the food is good, the room and board is provided, they will cure you of your anxiety by building you up  by indoctrination and training.

Just follow their instructions and don't quit.

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11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

If you are physically able to work and you seek assistance from the Crown : join the armed forces.

The pay is good, the food is good, the room and board is provided, they will cure you of your anxiety by building you up  by indoctrination and training.

Just follow their instructions and don't quit.

I don't think that's the best idea.  This person has a mental health disorder.  Mentally she may not be a spot where she is resilient enough.  She would be far more susceptible to something like PTSD than the average recruit.  A moderately traumatic experience for an average person could crush them mentally for a very long time.

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6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't think that's the best idea.  This person has a mental health disorder.  Mentally she may not be a spot where she is resilient enough.  She would be far more susceptible to something like PTSD than the average recruit.  A moderately traumatic experience for an average person could crush them mentally for a very long time.

Seriously, what's wrong with getting rid of the minimum wage, so people can find slow-paced jobs that don't give them anxiety? Creating a permanet welfare class will lead to an epidemic in mental illness, and increase in drug use, and never-ending deficits. Margaret Thatcher said it best. "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." A $14 minimum wage isn't progressive, it's regressive, and it hurts the people who need the help the most.

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13 hours ago, krissy8237 said:

IM on Social assistance (Oshawa works) IM planning on asking to appl  for ODSP. Can  get on for Anxiety disorder? I can't live off of OW. Not enough money.  IM having a hard time bring up the subject with my Case worker. I don't feel she really listens. I feel they are kind of pushy at times...….. I just don't feel comfortable with her Anyone feel this why>? I just know when I get emotional I get upset and not able to speak up

Get a new case worker if you don't like this one.  You have problems expressing yourself when emotional because of your anxiety, you should bring along someone you know who is good at speaking up who can be an advocate for you and explain your thoughts to your caseworker for you.  This will help you immensely.

Also, force yourself to at least have a part-time job if you can.  Not having a job and sitting around the house or whatnot is not good for your mental health, so stay busy if you can't work.  And find healthy ways to cope with your anxiety.  Meditation, exercise etc.  If you're going to have a vice, choose unhealthy food or sex over drugs/alcohol/smoking.

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8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Get a new case worker if you don't like this one.  You have problems expressing yourself when emotional because of your anxiety, you should bring along someone you know who is good at speaking up who can be an advocate for you and explain your thoughts to your caseworker for you.  This will help you immensely.

Also, force yourself to at least have a part-time job if you can.  Not having a job and sitting around the house or whatnot is not good for your mental health, so stay busy if you can't work.  And find healthy ways to cope with your anxiety.  Meditation, exercise etc.  If you're going to have a vice, choose unhealthy food or sex over drugs/alcohol/smoking.

So now, we the taxpayers have to find more case workers to help dole our welfare.... So you not only rob the recipient of their dignity.... you create social service jobs that could be eliminated if we got rid of the welfare state.

This just leads to one thing, never ending deficits, and job loss.... To our competitors in South-East Asia.

If we want to get people back to work, that we need to completly abolish welfare, and complely abolish the minimum wage. At $3 an hour, we could bus people in wheelchairs to work as store greaters. Instead of making them feel like a drain on society, you give them purpose in life. At $3 we could have crippled people monitoring security cameras.

University graduates are happy to work at $14 an hour. How are we going to help people on the fringes get their foot in the door? Should we just find them another case worker?

In Ontario, we spend more on welfare than we did on minimum wage 15 years ago. And when you factor in paying the case worker.... It's like a double-dipping insult on the taxpayer.... I'm sure I'll get told off for speaking the truth.

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1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

So now, we the taxpayers have to find more case workers to help dole our welfare.... So you not only rob the recipient of their dignity.... you create social service jobs that could be eliminated if we got rid of the welfare state.

This just leads to one thing, never ending deficits, and job loss.... To our competitors in South-East Asia.

If we want to get people back to work, that we need to completly abolish welfare, and complely abolish the minimum wage. At $3 an hour, we could bus people in wheelchairs to work as store greaters. Instead of making them feel like a drain on society, you give them purpose in life. At $3 we could have crippled people monitoring security cameras.

University graduates are happy to work at $14 an hour. How are we going to help people on the fringes get their foot in the door? Should we just find them another case worker?

In Ontario, we spend more on welfare than we did on minimum wage 15 years ago. And when you factor in paying the case worker.... It's like a double-dipping insult on the taxpayer.... I'm sure I'll get told off for speaking the truth.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions about our new poster friend.  You don't know if they can work or not.

I agree with you that every step and incentive should be taken to give people with disabilities the ability to be employed.  A system of dependence helps nobody.  But there also needs to be a social safety net for people who truly need it, especially in the short term in order to get people back on their feet.

The issue with $3 minimum wage is that nobody can live on $3 an hour.  We could have $3 an hour, but a doctor should also determine a # between zero and 40 re: how many hours a disabled person is able to work per week and which tasks they can and can't perform, and a disabled person should be forced to work something approximating the # of hours the doctor says as a condition for receiving public disability funding to top up their income to something livable.

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2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're making a whole lot of assumptions about our new poster friend.  You don't know if they can work or not.

The weird dichotomy here is that we have already had this system work, with our progressive tax system.  And the arguments against raising taxes for higher income earners seems to be "then people won't have an incentive to work harder".  

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6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't think that's the best idea.  This person has a mental health disorder.  Mentally she may not be a spot where she is resilient enough.  She would be far more susceptible to something like PTSD than the average recruit.  A moderately traumatic experience for an average person could crush them mentally for a very long time.

Oh please, these people are just pathetically weak.  Stop enabling them

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4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're making a whole lot of assumptions about our new poster friend.  You don't know if they can work or not.

If their excuse for not working is that they have "anxiety", then they are scamming us. 

 

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Well maybe they're anxiety is legitimate, because some of them go to 15 or 20 job interviews.... and the employers won't take a chance on someone who seems sketchy... Employers know their is plenty of disposable labor, and at $14 an hour... They feel entitled to hire whoever they want. 

They say yes to 1 person, and tell all the others to get lost.

Now if we eliminated minimum wage.... A person with anxiety could walk into the store.... and tell the manage.... "Look I really need a job for my self esteem and sanity." Instead of hearing, "Well I have your resume, let me get back to you.... The manager might be like.... I can start you at $5 an hour... If you work hard.... I'll give you a raise... But you have to earn that opportunity.

Even at $3 an hour.... People could buy 10KG of rice for $20.... That's enough to last them for a month.... Potatoes, Dried beans, Pasta... Bulk Carrots.... 5 people could rent a basement apartment, and pay $350 each on rent, and $200 a month on groceries.

This is what happens in Latin America, and no ones starving to death... The people complaining about not having a $15 minimum wage... are the ones who want enough money to buy $1000 iphones, and fancy clothes

If we got rid of minimum wage... We would no longer see "Made in China" in our walmarts... No we would start seeing Computers and Televisions "Made in Canada". and I don't have a problem with that.

There is no such thing as a non-livable wage, because if the person can't afford to buy the cheapest food in the supermarket.... The would starve to dealth.

Anyways paying someone $1 an hour is better, then putting them $100 000 in debt to get a "Gender Studies" degree at some University. At least the person would be paid $1 an hour to learn how the real world works.

 

 

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Everybody in Canada has a sob story, it's not a legitimate reason to hand them money from the government.

The government is not your mommy,  people who are on welfare and complain, can get off welfare by running their own lives and ceasing to make excuses.

Immigrants come here, they work, they are fine, why are Canadians swanning about on welfare?  Anxiety?   From what?  Growing up in Canader?

If you are disabled, fair enough, if you are crying "anxiety" to get handouts,  then you are Welfare Queen and nobody should have any sympathy for you.

 

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Ya but disabled people could be working at $3 an hour.... We could have them doing visable inspections at assembly lines... We could make them store greaters. We could have them monitor security cameras... We could have them working at call centers.

What gives people anxiety... is being told for the 50th time... We will only hire someone with previous experience as a cashier....

Seriously... I applied to work part time at Loblaws... and they were like.... you need to fill out this application, and submit it online... We only email the people we select for interviews.

Why can't I be like... hey... I need some cashier experience for my resume... I'll work for $3 an hour..... The manager will be like..... We have a problem with lineups, you're hired!

The system is rigged against the people who need to work the most.

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5 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

What gives people anxiety... is being told for the 50th time... We will only hire someone with previous experience as a cashier....

The system is rigged against the people who need to work the most.

Too bad, so sad, that's life, learn to deal.   The government in Canada is incompetent, they're not going to save you, you have to save yourself.

Again, Immigrants come here, they figure it out, why can't Canadians ?  Canadians are too anxious to be able to handle Canada ?

What country is more butter soft than Canada ?   If they can't handle life in Canada, where can we send them ?

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Because unskilled people shouldn't have to compete with university students at $14 an hour. What business is the government telling me.... I can't have a job, because I asked negotiate a personal wage from my employer? There were times when I would of worked as a cashier for $3 an hour... Just to get out of the house.

I don't think people realize how rediculously high $14 an hour is.... Most of the worlds Teachers don't even make $14 an hour.... Canada is extreamly uncompetitive. Why should the margenized be priced out of work? What business is it, for the government to dictate a minimum wage?

 

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13 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Because unskilled people shouldn't have to compete with university students at $14 an hour. What business is the government telling me.... I can't have a job, because I asked negotiate a personal wage from my employer? There were times when I would of worked as a cashier for $3 an hour... Just to get out of the house.

I don't think people realize how rediculously high $14 an hour is.... Most of the worlds Teachers don't even make $14 an hour.... Canada is extreamly uncompetitive. Why should the margenized be priced out of work? What business is it, for the government to dictate a minimum wage?

 

That's Canada, Canadians are Nanny Staters who vote for endless government overreach which doesn't work.

That's not going to change, because Canadians are a silly people.

So what are you going to do?   Go on welfare?  Good luck with that, that will be misery.

On the other hand, the Canadian Armed Forces are desperately under strength, they need soldiers, sailors and aviators.

They provide all the training, they provide room and board, and the pay, food and quarters are excellent.

There you go, an actual career for you,  you can start right now, attend the nearest recruiting center.

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17 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Work should be social safety net, and not welfare. If the government can afford to pay people to do nothing, then they can afford to make alternative jobs for people with anxiety disorders.

Anxiety disorders are nonsense.  I'm sure all the people on the train to work right now have anxiety, it's  not a disorder, that's just life.

The best cure for anxiety is physical training, go for a run, do some push ups, quit your whining self pity and get off your ass and do something productive.

Nobody is coming to save these people from themselves, certainly not the government.

You're not doing them any favors by enabling their "anxiety disorder" bullshit.  Tell them the truth ; nobody fk'n cares about your sob stories.

You can have all the anxiety in the world, but don't expect to receive much money for that, nobody is paying you a wage because you are anxious.

It's a cruel world out there, you either deal with it, or you'll die in the streets, that's the reality of the situation.

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I might not be doing them a favor, but keep people on welfare for a few years, and find out... just how hard it will be to cure them of their anxiety disorders.

Someone once told me... we need to have generous welfare, so we can pay people not to break into our houses.

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Just now, ProudConservative said:

I might not be doing them a favor, but keep people on welfare for a few years, and find out... just how hard it will be to cure them of their anxiety disorders.

Someone once told me... we need to have generous welfare, so we can pay people not to break into our houses.

Somebody breaks into my house, they will be staring down barrel of a gun,  crime doesn't pay, I have no sympathy for that, but it will provide work for jail guards.

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Somebody breaks into my house, they will be staring down barrel of a gun,  crime doesn't pay, I have no sympathy for that, but it will provide work for jail guards.

If we abolished welfare, and gave people purpose in life... I doubt the Judges and Prison guards would be happy. They're the last people who want to prevent crime.

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1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

If we abolished welfare, and gave people purpose in life... I doubt the Judges and Prison guards would be happy. They're the last people who want to prevent crime.

Canadians wont abolish welfare because every Canadian has a sob story and Canadians are a bunch of naive suckers.

That's not going to change, you have to deal with the reality of it, there's no point in complaining.

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The thing that will alter the course of Canada is not wanh wanh sob stories.

Quite the opposite, there will be a fiscal and economic crisis and a totalitarian police state government run from the shadows by the Chinese Communists

Once Canadians get a taste of hard times and the jackboots, they'll  either stop being soft as warm baby shit,  or they will be dead.

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