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What do you dislike most about conservative philosophy?  

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I'm asking liberal and conservatives, what are the worse conservatives? What is the deepest flaw in conservative philosophy? I just voted for winner-takes-all capitalism. I hate the survival of the fittest mentality, because it encouages crony capitalism and corruption. I'm a big supporter of grass roots capitalism. Where we use capitalism for the common good. I would say conservatism was at it's worse around 1890, when workers basically had no rights, and the robber barons did whatever they pleased.

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i dislike that conservatism cannot function when it is dishonest. Liberalism can still function.

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On 11/27/2019 at 3:38 AM, ProudConservative said:

I'm asking liberal and conservatives, what are the worse conservatives? What is the deepest flaw in conservative philosophy? I just voted for winner-takes-all capitalism. I hate the survival of the fittest mentality, because it encouages crony capitalism and corruption. I'm a big supporter of grass roots capitalism. Where we use capitalism for the common good. I would say conservatism was at it's worse around 1890, when workers basically had no rights, and the robber barons did whatever they pleased.

IMHO, the Scheer conservative party have become too politically correct for my liking. The conservative party have become a very pro UN Soros globalist looking political party just like Trudeau and his liberal ilk have become. Bernier is a conservative, and Bernier said what was needed to be said as a real and true blue conservative, and who is no globalist. I noticed that you never put immigration and multiculturalism in your poll. Why is that? Just wondering. 

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On 11/27/2019 at 4:58 AM, OftenWrong said:

i dislike that conservatism cannot function when it is dishonest. Liberalism can still function.

Liberalism has become a taboo and sacred cow "ism" that must never be questioned or challenged here in Canada. To do so, is considered to be blasphemy. 

Just saying. ;)

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42 minutes ago, taxme said:

IMHO, the Scheer conservative party have become too politically correct for my liking. The conservative party have become a very pro UN Soros globalist looking political party just like Trudeau and his liberal ilk have become. Bernier is a conservative, and Bernier said what was needed to be said as a real and true blue conservative, and who is no globalist. I noticed that you never put immigration and multiculturalism in your poll. Why is that? Just wondering. 

I don't have an agenda. Honestly, I didn't think of it. You should vote :)

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Your options are not very good. There are multiple reasons to hate the conservatives, but the biggest ones aren't there.

 

I would say my top reason is their love of the socialist dairy cartel, which makes food unnecessarily expensive for poor people.

 

Also, their support for more expensive environmental regulations instead of a broad based tax on carbon dioxide emissions.

 

There support of the first past the post system combined with their complete lack of coherent explanations for their policies also tops the list. As it greatly reduces the competition of ideas, which we should have in a democracy.

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21 hours ago, taxme said:

IMHO, the Scheer conservative party have become too politically correct for my liking. The conservative party have become a very pro UN Soros globalist looking political party just like Trudeau and his liberal ilk have become. Bernier is a conservative, and Bernier said what was needed to be said as a real and true blue conservative, and who is no globalist. I noticed that you never put immigration and multiculturalism in your poll. Why is that? Just wondering. 

Does ‘globalism’ include free trade? Many so-called conservatives seem to oppose free trade these days.

You may be in for a disappointment on Scheer’s replacement who could well be less conservative than he is, esp. on social issues. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Does ‘globalism’ include free trade? Many so-called conservatives seem to oppose free trade these days.

You may be in for a disappointment on Scheer’s replacement who could well be less conservative than he is, esp. on social issues. 
 

 

Leave the business of global free trade to the people who run a company or business or corporation. They know what needs to be done. Christian Freeland did not nor does any government bureaucrat. The government only messes things up, and then gets taxes from the mess that they create. Let the people in business who know how to trade do the trade deals themselves.

I do not believe that the conservative party has a real and true conservative. The party appears to be more like a liberal party in conservative clothing to me these days. What I want to hear from a conservative leader is that if elected I will lower taxes, less government/rules and regulations, cut foreign aid, less political correctness, way less immigration/refugees, and protect the right to freedom of speech. This is what Bernier had to offer we the people, but the people turned him down, and opted for another four more years of globalist scandalous Trudeau. The conservative party needs to change their name to a more liberal looking name. They should not be calling themselves conservative when they are nowhere near being a conservative party.

Just my opinion. ;) 

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19 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Your options are not very good. There are multiple reasons to hate the conservatives, but the biggest ones aren't there.

 

I would say my top reason is their love of the socialist dairy cartel, which makes food unnecessarily expensive for poor people.

 

Also, their support for more expensive environmental regulations instead of a broad based tax on carbon dioxide emissions.

 

There support of the first past the post system combined with their complete lack of coherent explanations for their policies also tops the list. As it greatly reduces the competition of ideas, which we should have in a democracy.

I agree. All those socialist dairy, egg, and other marketing boards should all be abolished. We pay way more than what we should be paying for some foods thanks to these socialist marketing boards. The government does not need to be involved in what should be a free enterprise business, like selling dairy and egg products. Let the free enterprise system do their own thing, and get the government off the consumers backs. Gawd only knows that the taxpayer's in this country are getting very close to having their backs broken with so many taxes and big government riding on their backs. ;)

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

Leave the business of global free trade to the people who run a company or business or corporation. They know what needs to be done. Christian Freeland did not nor does any government bureaucrat. The government only messes things up, and then gets taxes from the mess that they create. Let the people in business who know how to trade do the trade deals themselves.

Free trade deals are negotiated by governments, not companies. 

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Conservatives undervalue the losers in the industrial economy.

The losers need a social safety net, otherwise they can't surf the downturns in the industrial economy.

The result is addiction and fall out from society.

Conservatives tend to blame and shame the losers.

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20 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Free trade deals are negotiated by governments, not companies. 

And why not some business leader in Canada do their own talks and trade deals with other business people from other parts of the world. Why does the government have to be involved in business deals between two people? All the government gets out of it is tariffs(taxes)and the consumer has to pay more because of those tariffs. If a company's like General Motors would like to sell their vehicles in another country then GM can send a delegation over there and let them do the talking and make the deals. Why does everybody seem to feel that the government in Canada has to be involved in business dealings? People can do a better job of dealing then the government ever can. With the government involved in anything the more bureaucracy is created, and we the the people have to pay for that bureaucracy. Unless I am missing something here with those government trade deal talks? Just wondering.  ;) 

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What I hate most about conservatives is

That they are conservative. That they are on the side of religious right. That they try to legislate citizen's lives. We don't need a damn religious republic here.

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24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What I hate most about conservatives is

That they are conservative. That they are on the side of religious right. That they try to legislate citizen's lives. We don't need a damn religious republic here.

On the other hand, today we see what unbridled liberal progress has done to us.

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Just now, OftenWrong said:

On the other hand, today we see what unbridled liberal progress has done to us.

Historically low unemployment. low inflation and interest rate, growing economy, and most importantly a non-conservative government.

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18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What I hate most about conservatives is

That they are conservative. That they are on the side of religious right. That they try to legislate citizen's lives. We don't need a damn religious republic here.

It would appear as though the liberal party and Trudeau are more on the Muslims archaic 10th century religious side. Muslims try to legislate their own followers that non-Islamic infidels are not human, and they need to be exterminated like vermin. Canada does not need their sick and pathetic Islamic religion here either. And try to remember this that Christianity was here in Canada long before the Islam religion came too Canada. Christianity is still the main religion in Canada, and it will remain so until Trudeau can replace Christianity with Islam in Canada, which it would appear as though Trudeau is trying to do today. The globalist guy hates everything about Canada. Trudeau loves is incompatible cultural and new other religious immigrants. ;)

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18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Historically low unemployment. low inflation and interest rate, growing economy, and most importantly a non-conservative government.

The unemployment rate in Canada has always remained at around 5 to 6%, and that pretty much has not changed for decades now. Where are you getting your false stats from? It is thanks to the conservative government in Alberta that helped the Alberta oil industry to stay alive and prosper. 

How or where is the economy growing when just the other day I heard that there have been thousands of workers in the oil fields of Alberta laid off, all thanks of course to the liberals, NDP socialists and the anti-industry environmentalists, who are all anti-oil, something they seem to forget that they also use oil every day in their crummy useless lives to get around and survive every day. Talk about trying to cut ones own throat. Those idiots mentioned above could careless about jobs, the economy, or the workers and the people in other services that are now unemployed. 

And then there is the spin off to the local community's economy from the workers who worked in the oil fields, and then they spread their money around the cities and towns that they live in. They help to create new businesses like retail and restaurants, and so many more other people services that create new jobs for the people in the community. Now all of those service industries are starting to feel the pinch of all of these oil job layoffs. There have been many oil companies that have now left Alberta, and have gone to Texas where they are welcome with open arms. They say that there are thousands of Canadians living and working in the oil fields in Texas. Those jobs should have stayed here in Canada, but thanks to those anti-local job creating businesses, and anti-oil creating job morons I mentioned above, are all responsible for this exit and loss of thousands of good paying oil jobs in Canada. And Quebec was no help either. They hate Alberta, and could careless about Albertan's and jobs. But the french did not mind stealing the Alberta peoples tax dollars for their own use, to be able to blow on their own french Quebec projects. Screw the Anglophones in Alberta. The conservatives have always been pro business and pro growth. It is those bottom feeders that I mentioned above that appear to want to destroy Canada, and it's industries,except for the ones in Quebec, and not make and help keep Canada great, and they never will. They all hate and despise anything conservative in Canada. I am very sad that Maxine Bernier is not the PM real and true conservative leader in Canada today. This country would once again become a great country under his leadership. 

As far as I am concerned, Scheer, Trudeau, Singh and May have all failed to try and help make and keep Canada great, and prosperous, and save this once great British/European country called Canada from becoming a failed and ruined country. Things may appear good but they are not. Enough ranting on this for today. ;) 

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Just now, taxme said:

It would appear as though the liberal party and Trudeau are more on the Muslims archaic 10th century religious side. Muslims try to legislate their own followers that non-Islamic infidels are not human, and they need to be exterminated like vermin. Canada does not need their sick and pathetic Islamic religion here either. And try to remember this that Christianity was here in Canada long before the Islam religion came too Canada. Christianity is still the main religion in Canada, and it will remain so until Trudeau can replace Christianity with Islam in Canada, which it would appear as though Trudeau is trying to do today. The globalist guy hates everything about Canada. Trudeau loves is incompatible cultural and new other religious immigrants. ;)

The post is directed at me and is a very insulting post (I edited idiotic post with insulting post) because I cited the good economy and liberal minded governing (not legislating people's lives like Bills that conservatives imposed in a manipulative manner) as the main reason for my support for liberals and did not say a single word or even remotely indicated my liberal support for their alleged support for any religion like 10th century islamic religion. In fact I have clearly indicated in my many posts on immigration that Canada needs to become a lot more selective on immigrants and denying immigration to those who do not respect Canadian values the most important of which is respect for women and respect and believe in equality of religions and races and Canadian values.

Of course Christianity was here long before islamic religion and Christianity is the main religion In Canada and hopefully will remain so but the way you say it (try to remember while quoting my post) is very offensive like I denying these clear facts or worse like I am supporting or advocating bringing in people in to undermined our values of equality (which likely you are lacking from your posts) and respect for women. Very offensive.

It also takes an intelligent mind to realize that my support for Liberals does not mean I support everything they do and that extends to my lack of support for their immigration policy.

Edited by CITIZEN_2015

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Just now, taxme said:

The unemployment rate in Canada has always remained at around 5 to 6%, and that pretty much has not changed for decades now. Where are you getting your false stats from?

This is a LIE and discredits you and the rest of your post (and in my view all your other posts too) which I didn't even bother to read because it starts with a big lie and false statistics.

Canada Unemployment Rate
 
GET THIS DATA MAX 1Y 5Y 10Y                                           bar                                          line                                          area                                          spline                                          areaspline                                          column                                       
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area chart of Canada Unemployment Rate from October 2018 to September 2019

Canada's unemployment rate was at 12% in 1982 and remained in double digits till mid 80's then it fell to around 8 to 9% for the rest of 80's and went up again to double digits in the 90's and remained there for years and gradually came down to 8% by the end of 90's (in fact Conservative Prime Minister Kim Campbell said in 1993 election campaign that Canadian must accept high unemployment till the end of the century as why she was kicked out),

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/no-new-jobs-kim-campbell-promises

Unemployment came down later under Liberal government in mid to late 90's but still was around 7 to 8 percent for most of this century and only past few years have come down to historic low at around 5%.

When you lie at least be careful to say something that statistics are not available or memories have faded.

Edited by CITIZEN_2015

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21 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is a LIE and discredits you and the rest of your post (and in my view all your other posts too) which I didn't even bother to read because it starts with a big lie and false statistics.

Canada Unemployment Rate
 
GET THIS DATA MAX 1Y 5Y 10Y                                           bar                                          line                                          area                                          spline                                          areaspline                                          column                                       
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area chart of Canada Unemployment Rate from October 2018 to September 2019

Canada's unemployment rate was at 12% in 1982 and remained in double digits till mid 80's then it fell to around 8 to 9% for the rest of 80's and went up again to double digits in the 90's and remained there for years and gradually came down to 8% by the end of 90's (in fact Conservative Prime Minister Kim Campbell said in 1993 election campaign that Canadian must accept high unemployment till the end of the century as why she was kicked out),

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/no-new-jobs-kim-campbell-promises

Unemployment came down later under Liberal government in mid to late 90's but still was around 7 to 8 percent for most of this century and only past few years have come down to historic low at around 5%.

When you lie at least be careful to say something that statistics are not available or memories have faded.

I thought that I already said that Canada's unemployment was at 5%. So, where or how did a lie? 

On top of the oil industry taking a chit kicking in Alberta and many having to move to Texas. Here in BC, there have been several lumber mills who had to close their doors because Canada is going down hill. The BC government is making it very difficult for the lumber industry in BC to stay afloat. The NDP government, native Indians, and the environmentalists had plenty to do with that. A cement plant in Alberta owned by Haliburton Oil is closing down it's cement plant in Alberta. More unemployment for more Canadians. There were 13, 200 bankruptcies in Canada this year. A 13% jump from last month. Are you still going to believe that Canada's economy is in great shape as the liars in Ottawa and the Canadian MSM keep trying to tell us? Those liars will only tell us when a new job was created but avoid telling us that 2 jobs were probably lost also. 

But as I always keep saying. As more Canadians keep losing their jobs, Canada keeps bringing in more legal and illegal refugees and new immigrants by the hundreds of thousands every year which is costing the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of billions of their tax dollars to end up going going gone down the drain trying to look after the tens of thousands that are here already who are living in hotels and shelters while our own Canadian people sleep on the streets. One shelter in Toronto is costing the Ontario taxpayer's $75 million a year to run the place. Canada is in a bloody mess thanks to our dear leaders, and most Canadians seem to not give a chit. But when they get laid off they start to cry, poor me. Maybe if those Canadians gave a dam for once about the country, and not just about themselves only, as to what their government is doing to them, and how our politicians treat our tax dollars like crap, then they may still have their jobs. I guess it is and always be the same old attitude by most Canadians that as long as I am okay, who cares, eh? Most Canadians are truly an exercise in futility. :unsure:

 

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Just now, taxme said:

I thought that I already said that Canada's unemployment was at 5%. So, where or how did a lie? 

 

Lie over lie is not a damage control making it even worse.

What you said was (not that it is NOW at 5%) but always has been for decades!!!!!!

15 hours ago, taxme said:

The unemployment rate in Canada has always remained at around 5 to 6%, and that pretty much has not changed for decades now.

Edited by CITIZEN_2015

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