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On 11/28/2019 at 12:50 PM, DrYouth said:

Bill Peters apology

“Please accept this as a sincere apology to you, and the entire Calgary Flames organization, for offensive language I used in a professional setting a decade ago,” wrote Peters, who had been shielded from the media since the ordeal began Monday.

“I know that my comments have been the source of both anger and disappointment, and I understand why. Although it was an isolated and immediately regrettable incident, I take responsibility for what I said. The statement was made in a moment of frustration and does not reflect my personal values. After the incident, I was rightfully challenged about my use of language, and I immediately returned to the dressing room to apologize to the team. I have regretted the incident since it happened, and I now also apologize to anyone negatively affected by my words.

“I am aware that there is no excuse for language that is offensive. I meant no disrespect in what I said, and it was not directed at anyone in particular. But, that doesn’t matter; it was hurtful and demeaning. I am truly sorry. I accept the reality of my actions. I do believe that we must strive to act with integrity, and to take accountability for what we say and do. This letter is intended to do exactly that; I hope it is accepted as intended.

“I appreciate the thorough review of this situation being undertaken by the Flames. It’s the right thing to do, and I support it fully.”

He signed the letter at the bottom.

He says it wasn't directed at anyone in particular....

So did he say something like "You niggers weren't trying hard enough tonight!!"

Too bad we don't have the cell phone video... if it was today we probably would.

Apparently the communist Akim isn't accepting his comrades apology. He is demanding the Gulag.

Apparently, the words that were said to this guy Akim, when the coach walked in the dressing room, was to tell the black kid to turn that "nig-er shit off. Probably, if there was some white music, like good old white country music blasting away in the dressing room, the coach might have told the white guy to turn that f'n music off. The coach may have been having a bad day as he appears to be saying. Hey, you never know, eh? 

All this is now is just your typical pandering and grovelling going on here to try and appear to be politically correct, and please the offended crybabies out there, in the hopes that he can save his coaches job. This black guy came forward after ten years. Why wait for ten years? It's a wonder that this Akim guy does not go after the Calgary Flames organization and try to sue them for some money. That seems to be common practice here in offended and apologetic Canada land these days. Ten years ago, Akim would probably have been told back then to just suck it up, buttercup. We sure do live in a different world today alright. Yup, those dam white guys like Don Cherry and Peters should go to the gulag for their offending words. It's dam sad when someone can lose their job today over something that was said over ten years ago. All that was required was for Peters to say he was sorry, and let's all get back to whatever we are doing. But no. When the Canadian media got a hold of this incident, well as usual, they go ballistic over it. This story came out over a week ago, and the stupid fake media here in Canada are still at it and are still reporting on the incident. I know that the CBC is just loving it. I guess that the old school that I was brought up in is now gone. I must accept the fact that I am now living in a crybaby offended society. Aw well, what more can be said. ;)

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I think that largely because of Hollywood movies and TV series, the N-word has become set by the Left as the ultimate blaspheme. Thus anyone who is proven to use it any time in their life becomes a non-person and must be forever shunned. This makes no sense, of course, but the Left rarely does make sense.

It's just an insult. That's all. It's used to offend. But there are many insults used to offend, and only a few are considered such blaspheme that you must be destroyed for ever uttering them. None of the insults towards people's looks (which are the majority) and which are intended to offend and hurt are a problem. You can do your very best to crush someone's pride without the Left having any issue with it. Fat, ugly, wrinkly, old, flat-chested, tiny penis, skinny, wimp, pussy, bald, acned, big ears, all of that and a lot more is perfectly fine. Also, insults based on ethnicity are okay as long as you're insulting someone 'privilaged' - like limey or mick.

But using insulting someone for being black is never forgiven, even if you said it out of a fit of anger on the spur of the moment (which is where most insults come from). Calling someone a disgusting fat cow doesn't mean you 'hate' overweight people. It means you simply used the handiest insult you could think of based on the most obvious physical state of the person you're intending to insult. Likewise using the N-word doesn't mean you're a white supremacist or hate black people. It means you're angry at a particular black person at a particular time.

But as I said, you can't expect people on the Left to have any sense of context or proportion. They're fast become the people of hate, the people of cancel culture, the unforgiving, wild-eyed people who become enraged at any 'blaspheme' or heresy against their new religion of multiculturalism and inclusiveness.

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stupid software

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35 minutes ago, Argus said:

But as I said, you can't expect people on the Left to have any sense of context or proportion. They're fast become the people of hate, the people of cancel culture, the unforgiving, wild-eyed people who become enraged at any 'blaspheme' or heresy against their new religion of multiculturalism and inclusiveness.

Just for the record, I am of the Left... and this shit makes me angry.

I am angry at the Left for succumbing to this moral theocracy and its digital witch hunts and twitter mobs.

I credit previous internet forums to waking me up to the hysteria as well as the heterodox world of the ultra geeky "Intellectual Dark Web".

Just in case you had the impression I was a Right Winger.... I've got the occasional scoring opportunity here on the Left wing.

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1 hour ago, DrYouth said:

Just for the record, I am of the Left... and this shit makes me angry.

Good for you. Although I'm fairly sure most of the members of the Left would refuse to acknowledge that if you fail to go along with the groupthink which is fast becoming the norm. Your statements on transgenderism alone are enough to have you deplatformed and demonstrated against if you were a public person. Transgenderism is fast becoming the new 'holy grail' for the political and activist Left, which means everyone else is required to at the very least pay lip service to its demands.

 

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1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

Proof of the radicalising effects of far-right websites?

I doubt a person on the Left would visit such sites. More likely he visited sites with multiple views. Or had a listen to people like Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray and Jonathan Haidt, none of whom are very far on the right at all (Haidt is on the Left, I believe).

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Just now, Argus said:

I doubt a person on the Left would visit such sites. More likely he visited sites with multiple views. Or had a listen to people like Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray and Jonathan Haidt, none of whom are very far on the right at all (Haidt is on the Left, I believe).

Sorry, it was an in joke.

Dr Y and myself have both come here from the same site (which does lean heavily to the right).

Dr Y is as far from a white supremacist as it is possible to be.

He's best described as a red-pilled lefty.

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32 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Sorry, it was an in joke.

Dr Y and myself have both come here from the same site (which does lean heavily to the right).

Dr Y is as far from a white supremacist as it is possible to be.

He's best described as a red-pilled lefty.

Rather like Jonathan Haidt, then. He gave an excellent, and amusing TED talk where he mentions this which is on Youtube. This group, I would say, leans slightly to the right, though it used to lean to the left before most of the lefties stormed off in a huff to start their own small site. They now refer to this site as far right or alt-right.

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46 minutes ago, Argus said:

Rather like Jonathan Haidt, then. He gave an excellent, and amusing TED talk where he mentions this which is on Youtube. This group, I would say, leans slightly to the right, though it used to lean to the left before most of the lefties stormed off in a huff to start their own small site. They now refer to this site as far right or alt-right.

Very interesting....

A bunch of us recent travellers to your site are the survivors of the destruction of a centrist forum.

The Dan Carlin forum...

Dan Carlin made his mark as a history podcaster, but created a current events podcast and was trying to unite left and right to create a centrist force that might brainstorm a solution to US problems.

Such an idealist.

Then Donald Trump showed up on the scene and Dan Carlin folded like a house of cards.... actually unplugged his forum... and his current events podcast... he was troubled by all the "hate".

He retreated to his history podcast and puts out a podcast a year.... Trump deranged him.

Us hardy travellers ended up in a life raft forum.... some rich guy who thought he might make it in US politics...  his forum has dwindled.... still a handful of eclectic right wingers.

And here we are. Seems like there aren't many of you left here either.

Good to meet you and your crew, Argus.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Good for you. Although I'm fairly sure most of the members of the Left would refuse to acknowledge that if you fail to go along with the groupthink which is fast becoming the norm. Your statements on transgenderism alone are enough to have you deplatformed and demonstrated against if you were a public person. Transgenderism is fast becoming the new 'holy grail' for the political and activist Left, which means everyone else is required to at the very least pay lip service to its demands.

 

Don't I know it.

But I stand my ground.

I have some authority in my circles...

But I know better than to go to war.

Infiltrate and deconstruct. The fringe doesn't in fact speak for the centre.... the centre can be swayed.

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3 minutes ago, DrYouth said:

Very interesting....

A bunch of us recent travellers to your site are the survivors of the destruction of a centrist forum.

The Dan Carlin forum...

Dan Carlin made his mark as a history podcaster, but created a current events podcast and was trying to unite left and right to create a centrist force that might brainstorm a solution to US problems.

Have you heard of Jonathan Haidt and his 'heterodox academy'? He and a few other academics started it up to try to encourage diversity of thought on campuses, and not just diversity of ethnicity and races. I've found some of his talks, particularly the one he gave with the UK's ex deputy-PM Nick Clegg on populism and on why the new divisions are between 'nationalists' and 'globalists' quite interesting.

3 minutes ago, DrYouth said:

And here we are. Seems like there aren't many of you left here either.

Good to meet you and your crew, Argus.

Anyone who doesn't immediately resort to insults and moralizing is more than welcome here. My own frustration with trying to discuss issues with many on the Left is their presumption that their positions are born of superior morals and caring while mine have some dangerous 'hidden agenda' to them, born out of hatred for 'x' group of people. There are too many such people, although sometimes it can be amusing. I was called a Socialist and a Nazi on the same topic once, though by different people.

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2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Have you heard of Jonathan Haidt and his 'heterodox academy'? He and a few other academics started it up to try to encourage diversity of thought on campuses, and not just diversity of ethnicity and races. I've found some of his talks, particularly the one he gave with the UK's ex deputy-PM Nick Clegg on populism and on why the new divisions are between 'nationalists' and 'globalists' quite interesting.

Sure I have.

His book "The Righteous Mind" was hugely influential to me.

Helped me understand the core differences in moral instincts between right and left.

The left is focussed on "avoiding harm" and protecting "victims"... basically maternal or "feminine" instincts. 

The right is focussed on "loyalty" and avoiding "free riders"... essentially paternal  or "masculine" instincts...

This makes so much sense.

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7 minutes ago, Argus said:

Anyone who doesn't immediately resort to insults and moralizing is more than welcome here. My own frustration with trying to discuss issues with many on the Left is their presumption that their positions are born of superior morals and caring while mine have some dangerous 'hidden agenda' to them, born out of hatred for 'x' group of people. There are too many such people, although sometimes it can be amusing. I was called a Socialist and a Nazi on the same topic once, though by different people.

Both sides feel their morals are superior.

The truth is that both sides represent values that need to exist in harmony.

Maternal or "feminine" instincts need to be balanced by Paternal or "masculine" instincts.

Each in isolation is problematic.

And hence why "transgender" issues are the ultimate fault line.

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34 minutes ago, DrYouth said:

Both sides feel their morals are superior.

The truth is that both sides represent values that need to exist in harmony.

Maternal or "feminine" instincts need to be balanced by Paternal or "masculine" instincts.

I find it interesting how rarely the media comments on male vs female voting intentions. It seems to me that female voters push for social justice policies, esp income redistribution a lot more than men, who want a balanced budget and stronger laws and enforcement of them.

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Each in isolation is problematic.

And hence why "transgender" issues are the ultimate fault line.

Transgender are a fault line over a lot of things. A lot of gay people are not happy with the idea that a boy acting slightly effeminate, for example, must be a girl at heart and should be advised that they're transgendered. A lot of feminists are not happy with the cliche'd view of what constitutes 'female preferences' vs 'male preferences'. Ie, if you're a boy who likes pink, hey, you must be a transgendered girl! If you're a girl who likes to build things then you're probably really a boy, not a tomboy, not a possible future lesbian, but trans.

 

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42 minutes ago, Argus said:

I find it interesting how rarely the media comments on male vs female voting intentions. It seems to me that female voters push for social justice policies, esp income redistribution a lot more than men, who want a balanced budget and stronger laws and enforcement of them.

Sure... but the fault lines are mostly no longer gendered.

Now the fault lines are more regional and urban vs rural and educated vs less educated.

The universities have largely been captured by the left.

And these value systems are influencing parenting.... the left adopting "helicopter" parenting vs the "free range" parenting of the right...

Two totally separate cultures are emerging.... and this is happening internationally...; fracturing families and communities.

Strange times indeed.

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7 hours ago, DrYouth said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bill-peters-resigns-flames-head-coach-allegations-akim-aliu/

10 years ago Bill Peters delivered a racist rant about hip hop... this trended on twitter and now he has been cancelled.

The twitter mob sure thinks it had something to do with it....

The taste for swift digital justice is a heck of a drug....

Believe me they are just waiting to set their sights on the next target.

They claim victory almost as often as ISIS, pay them no mind, Calgary just sucks.

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11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They claim victory almost as often as ISIS, pay them no mind, Calgary just sucks.

But I found it surprising they shitcanned him over this, unless they already had a few other reasons for wanting to issue said shit-canning. 

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On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 9:50 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Hockey is the antithesis of sportsmanship. I was brought up in the culture "it is not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." The fact that crimminal assault and battery is not just permitted but encouraged should be enough to question its existance.

Hey now talk about some very extensive generalizations. Did you ever play it? Have you ever heard the language used by women hockey players or figure skating coaches?

You need to watch wrestling. It could teach you a lot about nuances when people are being profane.  Now  Rowdy Roddy Piper you either liked him or thought he was a bad man. I liked him. His screaming was hilarious. He and the Rock and Jesse the Body Ventura  were the  best guys with the mike by far and Mean Gene Okerland could have explained to you why what has got yer colon twisted is all just part of the script but he's dead.

You take things to literally. Many people do. There are nuances but if we stick our heads up our asses in shock and the sound of a word, we won't see it. Coaches in sports use some pretty profane language. It's  used to stir the fire in someone's soul. Some deliberately taunt to arouse passion in their players and to  get them to pour that energy of passion into the game. It may not be racism. Coaches and plauers may be deliberately engaging in  taunts to get into someone's head to sabotage their opponent or  incite an emotional reaction in a player they think is being too complacent on their side and costing the team. Context is the key. Their are coaches that are a-holes and others who are not and just motivating. Excuse me but I do not know the intent, context and motive of the coach everyone is turning into Don Cherry. Its more mob mentality piling up and virtue signaling.  Having had coaches make ethnic slurs in my face I can't say I liked them but I do know for a fact they were trying to teach me to deal with it on the ice and not lose it and to channel the anger back into my  legs on the ice.

The very reason the Montreal Canadiens won so many times is because of the slurs against our players being French. In one sense a person like you would call it horrible. In the sense of our hockey Gods, the Rocket, Butch Bouchard, Beliveau, Cournoyer, Savard, Lapointe, Provost, Tremblay, Laperriere, to name a few... it just made them better. The look in Rocket's eyes answered every taunt using the word frog in it. The guys  taunted like that always came back to haunt their taunters and prove them wrong and  we all sat back years later and realized it was all part of a script and none of us were bad or good just trying to win for our team and get in the other guy's head with whatever crap we thought would work. Some of those who taunted me the worst were more loyal to me than anyone else because I stood up to them. Its weird to say it but sometimes those taunts are meant to push people into respecting themselves and therefore others.

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21 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Past what time limit is it OK to ignore racism?

Is there any territory between ignoring racism on the one hand and insisting on immediate dismissal based on uttering taboo words on the other?

Summary justice seems to be the rule of the day.

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6 minutes ago, DrYouth said:

Is there any territory between ignoring racism on the one hand and insisting on immediate dismissal based on uttering taboo words on the other?

Summary justice seems to be the rule of the day.

Sure but I don't think the deciding factor should be time.

Severity and context of the offending words seem like better factors than how long ago they were used.

I'd also prefer to see decisions made by the governing bodies not Twitter mobs.

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Just now, Iceni warrior said:

Severity and context of the offending words seem like better factors than how long ago they were used.

Maybe the guy has changed...

Maybe he has had time to get used to hip hop.

Maybe he's a Drake fan now.

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1 minute ago, DrYouth said:

Maybe the guy has changed...

Maybe he has had time to get used to hip hop.

Maybe he's a Drake fan now.

Possibly the age you were when you said the offending words rather than how long ago it was.

It would be harsh to hold someone responsible for something they said as a child, any grown assed man should know better.

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And still today, the Canadian MSM cannot stop talking about Mr. Peters little racist rant. They seem to want to rant on about this incident every day. What are they trying to prove here anyway? Is this the medias way of saying that if anyone dares to say anything that appears to be, or is racist, then we in the lame duck fake media will hunt them down and go after them like hounds after a rabbit, and we will try and get them in trouble or even try and get them fired from their job if we can. With the Canadian MSM these days, that is their only real concern. RACISM. The CBC being one of the worse for that. They will never pass up reporting on some juicy racist incident that has happened in Canada. Go get those racist ba-tards. Pathetic. 

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