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13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Trump is ready to retaliate against Iran if it wants "revenge" against the Great Satan:

 

 

Trump is bluffing.

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30 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They rape, murder, steal etc

The same concepts do not apply to both men and animals, but do go on defending your indifference.

31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Cold War was

Was?

32 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

the USSR either would have or attempted to. 

It did.

32 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

controlled

:rolleyes:

33 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The USSR eventually lost the competition,

It lost a war. But I'm sure all those people who died in and out of Russia would find your rethoric just fascinating. Almost as if their deaths and tortures had been.....trivial, to you.

 

35 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

ceases to exist, proving my point that it was a competition for survival.

They changed the name of the country, they didn't cease to exist.

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31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Hatred is different than vehemently disagreeing or even being outraged.  Hatred only destroys yourself, and turns you into what you hate.

You're right I'll just dial it back to utter disgust.

Siccing dictators on people though...that's on par with the indiscriminate use of a WMD AFAIC. We have no problem making a lot of the things dictators do crimes against humanity so how much of a stretch would it be to make aiding and abetting them a crime that's equal if not even worse in its inhumanity?  I'd definitely say worse when self-proclaiming shiny beacons of humanity do it. 

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Iranians citizens celebrate the death of this so called General while the extreme left and Arab terrorists condemning it burning American and Israeli flags. Enough said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7851343/Palestinians-burn-flags-World-reacts-airstrike-death-Iran-commander-Soleimani.html

The article says:

Protesters across the West have gathered to condemn the US drone strikes following the death of Iran regime highest ranking general Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad

In contrast, Iranian-Canadians danced in the streets of Toronto on Friday after the Pentagon announced it had killed Soleimani. 

They were joined by supporters of the US action in London, with British-Iranians holding placards saying 'Down with Khamenei' and others bearing the pre-Islamic Revolution flag of Iran.

Toronto's Iranian community says The world is now a safer place as a result

https://globalnews.ca/news/6362251/toronto-iranian-community-us-airstrike-demonstration/

 

WHEN the Americans are going to smart up and realize that taking out one cancer cell is not going to cure the disease and they have to take out the entire cancerous organ??????? The Europeans also must stop prostituting themselves to the mullahs and stop trying to make a deal with the devil.

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1 hour ago, Marocc said:

The same concepts do not apply to both men and animals, but do go on defending your indifference.

Of course they do.

1 hour ago, Marocc said:

It lost a war. But I'm sure all those people who died in and out of Russia would find your rethoric just fascinating. Almost as if their deaths and tortures had been.....trivial, to you.

I'm not some evil monster who thinks people being killed or tortured is trivial.  It is part of human nature though, and we'll never get rid of it, despite our best efforts.  We should still try though.

1 hour ago, Marocc said:

They changed the name of the country, they didn't cease to exist.

They didn't just change their name, the union disintegrated and it split apart in a dozen pieces, the USSR ceased to exist as a political entity, and their economies went belly-up.  That's the equivalent of the US losing the cold war, and all 50 states split apart from the union, became their own countries, and embraced communism after their economy imploded.  In that case, the USA would cease to exist.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're right I'll just dial it back to utter disgust.

Siccing dictators on people though...that's on par with the indiscriminate use of a WMD AFAIC. We have no problem making a lot of the things dictators do crimes against humanity so how much of a stretch would it be to make aiding and abetting them a crime that's equal if not even worse in its inhumanity?  I'd definitely say worse when self-proclaiming shiny beacons of humanity do it. 

Well screwing with state sovereignty is already an international crime.  Orchestrating coups is not allowed.  The problem has always been enforcing international law against powerful countries.  It's easy dragging some ousted African dictator to the ICC, not so much a leader of US or Russia.

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

We have no problem making a lot of the things dictators do crimes against humanity so how much of a stretch would it be to make aiding and abetting them a crime that's equal if not even worse in its inhumanity?  I'd definitely say worse when self-proclaiming shiny beacons of humanity do it. 

Yes I would say shooting 1500 innocent defenseless young people including 400 women and 17 children in the back for just protesting economic hardship and while running away is crime against humanity which Iran regime committed against its own citizens just a month ago. Taking out the head of such force is crime against humanity? I am not so sure. It is called justice for all those grieving fathers and mothers who lost their children and were not allowed even to hold a public funeral.

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The Dems will now use this to claim Trump is starting a war for his own personal reasons, to guarantee that he will not be impeached by the senate. They wont impeach a war president. So starting a war with Iran is his defence against impeachment. The man is so incorrigible, I tell you. But, the Dems tried.

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15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The Dems will now use this to claim Trump is starting a war for his own personal reasons, to guarantee that he will not be impeached by the senate. They wont impeach a war president. So starting a war with Iran is his defence against impeachment. The man is so incorrigible, I tell you. But, the Dems tried.

 

The lefties on the CBC are beside themselves with both grief of their fallen hero and their growing TDS. Quite amusing.

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This guy's execution or whatever is the culmination of a crisis that's being brewing for a long time. The crisis in Iraq never stopped after the war, we just didn't hear about it very much anymore. Too busy in our media talking about other important things.

US removed the dictator Saddam, and Iraq plunged into uncivil hell. However blessings of democracy were bestowed upon them, and the people voted. The people or Iraq being Shiites by majority... Shiites have risen in government, legally and fairly elected by a western democratic system, assisted in developing that electoral process by us, guided by us, managed, supported, financed, protected by military force even... to take power from the Sunni's and give it defacto to the Iranian Ayatollahs, whom to the Shiites revere literally as their pope. Hence today, the Iraq parliament is calling for the removal of all US troops from Iraq. 

What we see is the result of failed neocon foreign policy from the 1990's. Let's just hope this administration, and other world leadership knows what to do to avert a war and get things to settle down.

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changed assassination to execution to be clear

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8 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Taking out the head of such force is crime against humanity? I am not so sure.

By that logic Trump is no better. Nor were the former presidents.

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55 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This guy's assassination or whatever is the culmination of a crisis that's being brewing for a long time. The crisis in Iraq never stopped after the war, we just didn't hear about it very much anymore. Too busy in our media talking about other important things.

US removed the dictator Saddam, and Iraq plunged into uncivil hell. However blessings of democracy were bestowed upon them, and the people voted. The people or Iraq being Shiites by majority... Shiites have risen in government, legally and fairly elected by a western democratic system, assisted in developing that electoral process by us, guided by us, managed, supported, financed, protected by military force even... to take power from the Sunni's and give it defacto to the Iranian Ayatollahs, whom to the Shiites revere literally as their pope. Hence today, the Iraq parliament is calling for the removal of all US troops from Iraq. 

What we see is the result of failed neocon foreign policy from the 1990's. Let's just hope this administration, and other world leadership knows what to do to avert a war and get things to settle down.

Iran regime made the Iraq experience a failed experience by intervening militarily, economically and creating chaos and war and terrorism. If Iraq and Syria was a success then their people would have demanded same kind of liberation but now the regime says if you revolve and remove us or US removes us by force Iran will be like Iraq and Syria. Iran of course will never become Iraq and Syria because it is an advanced nation.

Finish the job US. Take out the cancerous organ not just a single cancer cell.

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33 minutes ago, Marocc said:

By that logic Trump is no better. Nor were the former presidents.

You mean by taking out someone who is responsible for mass murder of women and children and acts of terrorism? So in your leftist or extreme religious views killing the head terrorist responsible for thousands of innocent defenseless people women and children among them being shot in the back for protesting economic hardship is no better than the one who did the mass killings???!!!!!!! You can take your logic and you know what to do with it.

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Is this a joke?

“Evangelicals, Christians of every denomination and believers of every faith, have never had a greater champion in the White House — not even close — than you have right now,” Trump said at a campaign event launching his “Evangelicals for Trump” coalition Friday evening.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/476730-trump-rallies-evangelical-supporters-we-have-god-on-our-side

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39 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

mass murder of women and children and acts of terrorism?

America is guilty of all of those.

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On 1/3/2020 at 2:34 PM, DogOnPorch said:

Ahhhhh...the left. 

They sure love their enemy combatants.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Trump has expressed his love for Kim Jong-Un, yes? Trump flatters China's dictaror Shi by calling him a 'king'. Trump has never had a harsh word to say but only flattery for Vladimir Putin.

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49 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Iran regime made the Iraq experience a failed experience by intervening militarily, economically and creating chaos and war and terrorism. If Iraq and Syria was a success then their people would have demanded same kind of liberation but now the regime says if you revolve and remove us or US removes us by force Iran will be like Iraq and Syria. Iran of course will never become Iraq and Syria because it is an advanced nation.

Finish the job US. Take out the cancerous organ not just a single cancer cell.

It looks more like the cancer has spread, in Iraq. No doubt US diplomats are working overtime to persuade Iraqi parliamentarians to change their position. They will use all "political" means at their disposal of course. So for now, Shiites have the upper hand and are looking at their own manifest destiny.

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On 1/4/2020 at 12:59 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

Foreign policy was never their strong suit.

You think Trump knows anything about foreign policy? At all?:lol:

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2 minutes ago, Argus said:

You think Trump knows anything about foreign policy? At all?:lol:

He's doing a much better job than Obama, so either he knows more, or knowing more isn't as relevant as you think it is to job performance. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on Democrats.

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1 hour ago, Marocc said:

US committed grotesque war crimes.

Compared to all Arab nations they are saints.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

He's doing a much better job than Obama,

He is? What's the evidence of that? Is American winning new friends? Becoming more influential?

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7 minutes ago, Argus said:

He is? What's the evidence of that? Is American winning new friends? Becoming more influential?

The evidence of that is that he hasn't started any new wars that aren't in American's interest to fight, unlike Obama with Libya and Syria.

Trump isn't appeasing the Iranian's and he isn't giving Russia a pass in Ukraine like Obama either.

It's not even close, Trump is head and shoulders above Obama when it come to foreign policy, at least to this point. It's still early only three years into his eight years in office, but so far so good.

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9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes I would say shooting 1500 innocent defenseless young people including 400 women and 17 children in the back for just protesting economic hardship and while running away is crime against humanity which Iran regime committed against its own citizens just a month ago. Taking out the head of such force is crime against humanity? I am not so sure. It is called justice for all those grieving fathers and mothers who lost their children and were not allowed even to hold a public funeral.

Well, like I said in another thread along similar lines if we were serious about finishing the fight against tyranny that our grandparents started we'd think nothing about dispatching a couple of our army divisions and carrier groups to do what's right in places like Burma or Iran.

Our grandparents dedicated 25% of their GDP to fighting tyranny but nowadays we depend on dictatorships for much of our GDP. 

We are what a real deadbeat nation looks like.  It's just as well we don't have a couple of divisions and carrier groups I guess because we'd probably only put them to the wrong use.

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