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Typically parents are considered to be primarily responsible for that their child is at a healthy weight.

The parents are enormously affected by the medical care, the food industry, education and the media.

If the parents were not doing their job, who would be responsible in taking action?

If a child is overweight, how should a parent go about dealing with it in the correct manner?

 

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Parents should educate themselves.  It's not difficult these days to know what constitutes a good diet.  Cut out the crap and send them outside without a phone.

To my mind, unfettered access to pop and junk food is child abuse, as is unlimited electronic device use.

It's tough, sure, but who's the grownup in the relationship?

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6 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Parents should educate themselves.  It's not difficult these days to know what constitutes a good diet.  Cut out the crap and send them outside without a phone.

To my mind, unfettered access to pop and junk food is child abuse, as is unlimited electronic device use.

It's tough, sure, but who's the grownup in the relationship?

Often enough when you see a fat kid you find out their parents are fat too, especially the mother. People who can't control their own eating are unlikely to put a lot of emphasis on controlling their children's.

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3 hours ago, Argus said:

Often enough when you see a fat kid you find out their parents are fat too, especially the mother. People who can't control their own eating are unlikely to put a lot of emphasis on controlling their children's.

Yeah, that's probably true.  I'm at a loss to understand why, in this day and age, people don't pay more attention to what they put in their bodies.

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Some places lack real grocery stores within walking distance of a community and people in that community don't have money for busses, or gas or cars.  There are, however convenience stores and fast food places nearby, so thats their food source.  People can actually be simultaneously obese and malnourished.

Creators of processed and convenience foods do tons of research to find out what will make the brain hooked on their food - needs just the right amount of fat, sugar and salt, crunchiness or meltiness.  Real science, actual addiction.

Certainly in many cases people do know better, and could do better.  But its not the only factor that is contributing to the rise in obesity in Western countries.

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24 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Some places lack real grocery stores within walking distance of a community and people in that community don't have money for busses, or gas or cars.  There are, however convenience stores and fast food places nearby, so thats their food source.  People can actually be simultaneously obese and malnourished.

Creators of processed and convenience foods do tons of research to find out what will make the brain hooked on their food - needs just the right amount of fat, sugar and salt, crunchiness or meltiness.  Real science, actual addiction.

Certainly in many cases people do know better, and could do better.  But its not the only factor that is contributing to the rise in obesity in Western countries.

What percentage of people who are fat don't live within walking (or public transit) distance of a grocery store? 

No argument that corporations will do whatever it takes to make people buy their stuff.  I used to smoke.   But nobody has to drink pop or eat fast food. 

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

Often enough when you see a fat kid you find out their parents are fat too, especially the mother. People who can't control their own eating are unlikely to put a lot of emphasis on controlling their children's.

Or if they eat bad crap they're likely going to feed their kids bad crap too

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On 1/25/2020 at 10:32 PM, dialamah said:

Some places lack real grocery stores within walking distance of a community and people in that community don't have money for busses, or gas or cars.  There are, however convenience stores and fast food places nearby, so thats their food source.  People can actually be simultaneously obese and malnourished.

Creators of processed and convenience foods do tons of research to find out what will make the brain hooked on their food - needs just the right amount of fat, sugar and salt, crunchiness or meltiness.  Real science, actual addiction.

Certainly in many cases people do know better, and could do better.  But its not the only factor that is contributing to the rise in obesity in Western countries.

Total  nonsense.

As you note: "In many cases people do know and could do better.... "

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IME, American leftists like you diamalah are condescending teachers - but typically hypocrites.

You don't understand that the rest of the world speaks of you the same way that you speak of Americans, yourself.

BTW, it's called irony.

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10 hours ago, August1991 said:

IME, American leftists like you diamalah

I'm not American, so it's weird you would say that.   I do rely on people who're experts in their field over less mainstream (aka fringe) sources for many of my views, so if that's 'leftist', ok.

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are condescending teachers - but typically hypocrites.

????   Talking about well known social factors in the increase in obesity is condescending and hypocritical?   You'd rather just shame parents?   

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On 1/26/2020 at 12:18 AM, Argus said:

People who can't control their own eating are unlikely to put a lot of emphasis on controlling their children's.

Based on what? Controlling your own diet is an entirely different matter from controlling another's. Since parents love their children, the most logical reason they would not take care of their child's diet is lack of education and not lack of will.

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On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2020 at 5:18 PM, Argus said:

Often enough when you see a fat kid you find out their parents are fat too, especially the mother. People who can't control their own eating are unlikely to put a lot of emphasis on controlling their children's.

That has been proven in many studies. Its the behavior of the parents children imitate not what parents say.

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On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 1:33 AM, August1991 said:

Total  nonsense.

As you note: "In many cases people do know and could do better.... "

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IME, American leftists like you diamalah are condescending teachers - but typically hypocrites.

You don't understand that the rest of the world speaks of you the same way that you speak of Americans, yourself.

BTW, it's called irony.

People up North in Canada do NOT have access to balanced diet foods. That is a fact. The epidemic rates of diabetes, heart-disease and other nutrition related diseases in native Canadian communities has clearly been linked to lack of access to fresh vegetables and fruit.  That is not by choice.

In inner cities, lack of nutritional education is caused primarily by lack of education NOT  lack of access. Socio-economic and educational status are directly related to this issue. Ethnicity does too. Some ethnic diets are low in bad cholesterol or avoid processed foods two of the largest factors in obesity as well as lack of exercise. In segments of Canadian society where food is accessible, education and lack of exercise become the two major factors of obesity and as Argus points out what goes on in the home. This is all documented by the many medical charities and Health Canada with objective criteria.

Today we have the phenomena of both parents working and they come home to kids parked in front of the internet stuffing their faces on junk food. Children today are brought up stuffing their face on junk food and sitting in front of computers and not exercising  and when their parents come home tired, of course  its easier to throw something in the micro wave then cook it fresh adding to the problem.

Obesity is a lifestyle related illness, but it can be caused by inter-connected issues to poverty, limited access to food, lack of education, and /or pre-existing physical or mental illnesses.

I can tell you that home economics courses teaching healthy diets, regular exercise at school, and health sciences explaining nutrition as well, all help deal with the issue. That is directly based on studies. You can find them easily on the internet or go to the Heart And Stroke Fund  or Diabetes Canada or Health Canada or ANY hospital in Canada.

Regards, someone who eats too much junk but whose head is fat for other reasons

 

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4 hours ago, Rue said:

People up North in Canada do NOT have access to balanced diet foods. That is a fact. The epidemic rates of diabetes, heart-disease and other nutrition related diseases in native Canadian communities has clearly been linked to lack of access to fresh vegetables and fruit.  That is not by choice.

 

I think it's been more closely linked to switching from traditional food they hunted to eating new foods they're not adapted for. Much of the decision to make that switch wasn't by their choice either. 

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When one sees obese parents and children together, the situation may not be simply about bad parenting. Some research suggests that obesity is largely caused by an inherited vulnerability to environmental factors. The real wonder is how some people manage to stay thin despite the ubiquity of high calorie food today but they do, again partly due to genetic factors:

"This research shows for the first time that healthy thin people are generally thin because they have a lower burden of genes that increase a person's chances of being overweight and not because they are morally superior, as some people like to suggest," says Professor Farooqi. "It's easy to rush to judgement and criticise people for their weight, but the science shows that things are far more complex. We have far less control over our weight than we might wish to think."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190124141538.htm

Some crucial determinants of how fat we get lie in the neurohormonal control of appetite which is an intricate system only partially understood. 

 

 

 

 

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On 2/9/2020 at 6:45 PM, eyeball said:

I think it's been more closely linked to switching from traditional food they hunted to eating new foods they're not adapted for. Much of the decision to make that switch wasn't by their choice either. 

Here's an article on a Métis doctor who went back to a low carb traditional diet and saw dramatic results:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/what-s-the-best-way-to-tackle-canada-s-weight-problem-1.4558944/revisiting-my-big-fat-diet-how-a-métis-doctor-lost-weight-with-a-traditional-indigenous-diet-1.4562134

 

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