August1991 130 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 1. Huge waste of time for America. 2. Loss of potential independent voters for Democrats. It's obvious that Trump will survive a Senate vote. I reckon that non-Democrat voters, everyone else in the world knows this. ===== Leftist Americans, anti-Trump Americans, Californian-Americans - are still, well, Americans. Trump knows this. Edited January 26, 2020 by August1991 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yukon 2 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 Trump will not be removed from office. Trump is a king and can legally do whatever he wants. Don't kid yourselves into believing the [email protected] the American preach about their vaunted Constitution. Trump can, is, and will do exactly what he pleases and no one repeat no one can stop him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shady 1,664 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 13 hours ago, August1991 said: 1. Huge waste of time for America. 2. Loss of potential independent voters for Democrats. It's obvious that Trump will survive a Senate vote. I reckon that non-Democrat voters, everyone else in the world knows this. ===== Leftist Americans, anti-Trump Americans, Californian-Americans - are still, well, Americans. Trump knows this. I think the Democrats did it to appease some of their base. But it sets a terrible precedent for future presidents. Disputes and issues that congress has had with the executive branch used to be settled by congress going to court over, now are being used as reasons for impeachment. And the impeachment article of obstruction of congress is a complete joke. Every single previous president could have faced impeachment over that charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bush_cheney2004 4,041 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Yukon said: Trump will not be removed from office. Trump is a king and can legally do whatever he wants. Don't kid yourselves into believing the [email protected] the American preach about their vaunted Constitution. Trump can, is, and will do exactly what he pleases and no one repeat no one can stop him. Quite to contrary...Trump can be "stopped" by voters in November...or "crowned" again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Quite to contrary...Trump can be "stopped" by voters in November...or "crowned" again. What's to stop him or some future president from suspending elections? What's in it for incumbents and their constituents? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OftenWrong 2,099 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: What's to stop him or some future president from suspending elections? What's in it for incumbents and their constituents? There's this little thing they have called the constitution... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: There's this little thing they have called the constitution... That hasn't stopped him so far. How far does he have to go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bush_cheney2004 4,041 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, eyeball said: What's to stop him or some future president from suspending elections? What's in it for incumbents and their constituents? U.S. presidents can not call or suspend elections...it's not Canada. Edited January 27, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: U.S. presidents can not call or suspend elections...it's not Canada. There was a time they weren't allowed to declare wars too. Go figure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OftenWrong 2,099 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, eyeball said: That hasn't stopped him so far. How far does he have to go? To get impeached he has to do something that was done in the past, not in the future just because you're scared. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bush_cheney2004 4,041 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, eyeball said: There was a time they weren't allowed to declare wars too. Go figure. Never needed to declare a war to have one....same as Canada. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: To get impeached he has to do something that was done in the past, not in the future just because you're scared. Who knows what it'll take to get impeached in the future? All he'll need to get away with stuff is the exoneration he's getting now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Never needed to declare a war to have one....same as Canada. Anyone can. Easy as dispatching a tweet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shady 1,664 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: Anyone can. Easy as dispatching a tweet. Just think of it as transparency. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Shady said: Just think of it as transparency. Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WestCanMan 1,045 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 20 hours ago, eyeball said: What's to stop him or some future president from suspending elections? What's in it for incumbents and their constituents? Lol. That's a CNN talking point and not fit for human consumption. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Lol. That's a CNN talking point and not fit for human consumption. Yet here you are chewing on it anyway. BTW can you produce anything to substantiate how CNN got hold of my question? I'd like to know why I wasn't given credit for asking it. Thx. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WestCanMan 1,045 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 17 hours ago, eyeball said: Who knows what it'll take to get impeached in the future? All he'll need to get away with stuff is the exoneration he's getting now. You got sucked in by Adam Schiff, that's your fault and no one else's. There is no fake exoneration going on, and there are no ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties which magically appear under your bed when you turn off the light. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WestCanMan 1,045 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, eyeball said: Yet here you are chewing on it anyway. BTW can you produce anything to substantiate how CNN got hold of my question? I'd like to know why I wasn't given credit for asking it. Thx. Not chewing, just chuckling. CNN is like a massive stupidity factory, they definitely came out with it first. If you beat them to the punch that's not something to be proud of. Definitely don't go around saying "I out-idjuttid CNN hyuk hyuk!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: There is no fake exoneration going on Who said it was fake? He's clearly being exonerated - on the basis that the radical left's impeachment is an attempt at regime change. By rights it would be irresponsible to not suspend elections to thwart a socialist takeover wouldn't you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WestCanMan 1,045 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Who said it was fake? He's clearly being exonerated - on the basis that the radical left's impeachment is an attempt at regime change. By rights it would be irresponsible to not suspend elections to thwart a socialist takeover wouldn't you think? The Dems said on the day that he was inaugurated that their goal was to impeach him and they didn't even have a reason yet. They've bee saying ever since that day that they wanted to impeach him. Then they faked a russian collusion scenario for 3 years to try and impeach him. They used fake intel - bought and paid for from russians by their presidential candidate no less - to start the fake Russian collusion investigation. They tried to get one of Trump's SCJ appointees rejected based on the testimony of a complainant who said that the appointee "attempted" to rape her but that complainant named 4 witnesses who never saw or heard of the incident, she couldn't name a week or a month or even a year that it happened, she couldn't name the place it happened, she claimed to have phobias as a result of the attack but she was proven to have acted in ways which proved that she truly didn't have those phobias, she lied about other things in those proceedings and the Dems never wavered on their patently phoney stance. This newest impeachment proceeding was started off with blatant lying, and almost every time they talk about the phone call to Zelenski they tell the same material lies. "When Zelenski talked about military aid, Trump came right back with 'we want a favour from you' and he asked them to investigate Biden". That's a total fabrication. Trump asked them about crowdstrike at that point, and crowdstrike has nothing at all to do with Biden - it only has ties to the bogus Russian collusion investigation. Zelenski replied to that comment before the topic ever got around to Biden. And it's blatantly obvious to everyone on earth that the Biden family received millions of dollars from Hunter's "completely random hiring that Joe never even heard about" and then Joe gave the Ukrainians a stern ultimatum to grant them what seems very likely to have been a personal favour. Honestly a person would have to be incredibly stupid to buy anything that the Dems are selling right now. This all goes to prove Mark Twain's saying "It's easier to fool a person than to convince them that they've been fooled". CNN could say literally anything right now and without a moment's thought on the topic you'd turn around and regurgitate it as if you were the world's leading expert on the subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Honestly? I expect this much evidence of the radical let's evil will at some point trigger a Republican President to take responsibility do the right thing and declare themselves President for the duration of the emergency. If voters want their democracy protected at all costs that's what voters should get don't you think? And something will definitely have to be done about CNN. For the sake of the nation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shady 1,664 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 8:21 PM, eyeball said: There was a time they weren't allowed to declare wars too. Go figure. They still can't declare wars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeball 1,319 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shady said: They still can't declare wars. That's right so they declare conflicts and such instead. Very convenient for getting around conventions and other checks and balances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shady 1,664 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's right so they declare conflicts and such instead. Very convenient for getting around conventions and other checks and balances. I think you mean police actions. But yes, it's sort of a way around it. Except declaring war allows much more to be done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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