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The ongoing protests in BC, Ontario and elsewhere show the depths of ignorance, stupidity and vapid self-indulgence we've come to expect from much of the activist and progressive populations, along with the sheer bloody cowardice of our governments.

Recall, the pipeline being protested was signed off on by the elected chiefs and band councils of the tribes in the area. The 'hereditary' chiefs tried to get elected in opposition to the pipeline, and failed. From which we can determine the natives in the area didn't care what they had to say and wanted the pipeline and the money and jobs that would bring.

No matter. A chance to protest pipelines?! Progressives aren't gonna miss that if they have the slightest excuse! Watch them standing their, chins elevated, filled with the sense of righteous self-granted nobility and arrogance you only see from those with an enormous regard for themselves. They're 'standing with the natives'! Well, not the actual natives, just the 'hereditary chiefs', who should be in charge, you know! This democracy stuff was imposed by colonialism (yes, they say this.

The bunch sitting on the rail tracks are much the same. Some of them are Mohawks, Many aren't. The Mohawk chief says he didn't authorize any protest and neither did the band council. No matter. The OPP is standing around shaking in terror at the thought of having to say "Boo' to a native. Meanwhile in Vancouver, the police arrested angry people trying to pull down the barricades natives and their far left allies erected in the middle of the road. Arrest the protestors? Oh no! The horror! The horror! Run away! Run away! (that seems to be the motto of both Canada's governments and its police departments whenever native protesters show up).

I'm reminded of a movie called Soylent Green, a cult hit. In one of the scenes, these huge garbage trucks with their scoopers on the ground in front of them move into protesting crowds, scoop them up and dump them into the back of their trucks, to be carted out and processed as food. Excellent idea! I'm sure they'd all be delighted at being recycled into dog food. They're all environmentalists, after all.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/stephen-ledrew-canada-should-enforce-the-law-with-wetsuweten-anti-pipeline-protests?video_autoplay=true

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The ongoing protests in BC, Ontario and elsewhere show the depths of ignorance, stupidity and vapid self-indulgence we've come to expect from much of the activist and progressive populations, along wi

It has nothing to do with democracy.  If somebody is breaking the law, the law has to be enforced.  Like I've already stated, I'm sure if protesters were shutting down abortion clinics, you'd have a m

Wrong - again. Delgamuukw did not settle the question of Wet’suwet’en title As protests in support of Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs opposed to the Coastal GasLink pipeline continue to r

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17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

800 arrests basically stopped logging where I lived.

There does come a point when governments give up.

I agree that jailing a large number of people isn't feesable.  I'd issue massive fines to each of them.

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19 minutes ago, Shady said:

I agree that jailing a large number of people isn't feesable.  I'd issue massive fines to each of them.

And if they tell the judge to go piss up a rope you'll merely put off the day you have to arrest them.

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

And if they tell the judge to go piss up a rope you'll merely put off the day you have to arrest them.

I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages.

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3 hours ago, Shady said:

I agree that jailing a large number of people isn't feesable.

It's entirely feasible. Jam them into cages and leave them there. None of them are worth anything anyway.

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Just now, Shady said:

I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages.

You think any of these bums work for a living?

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

800 arrests basically stopped logging where I lived.

There does come a point when governments give up.

Let them give up and stop protecting the protesters and things would end real fast. Only the OPP standing in the way of people kept the Caledonia protest - and protesters  - alive as long as it did. Without the OPP all those protestors would have been dead in a ditch. Even in the lefty city of Vancouver the protestors would get bashed and thrown aside if the police weren't protecting them.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

It's entirely feasible. Jam them into cages and leave them there. None of them are worth anything anyway.

You just get home from a Trump rally or something?

 

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Let them give up and stop protecting the protesters and things would end real fast. Only the OPP standing in the way of people kept the Caledonia protest - and protesters  - alive as long as it did. Without the OPP all those protestors would have been dead in a ditch. Even in the lefty city of Vancouver the protestors would get bashed and thrown aside if the police weren't protecting them.

Too bad we don't have any 2nd Amendment folks eh?  I'm curious about why you're so eager to empower the same dictatorship you otherwise spend all day warning people about?

Send Alberta's oil east, south, refine it where it is or better yet leave it in the ground. But sending it to China just seems nuts on all counts. I doubt they'll process bitumen or burn the finished products in environmentally responsible ways and yeah, empowering the biggest most aggressive dictatorship on the planet, in the mood this world is in right now, just seems completely insane.

I can't help but wonder if protesters were blocking oil pipelines for that reason that the government probably would unleash the scoops.  There's a 'good' reason why dictators have enjoyed a renaissance in terms of acceptability and respectability in the west in recent years.

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages.

The moment your strategy to fine became apparent would be when people would show up without ID meaning you'd still have to arrest everyone and then spend even more time figuring out who was who. A strategy of passive utterly uncooperative resistance whereby protesters basically just become like a thick coating of gunk that slows down everything will work.  It just depends on the level of resistance.  I saw it at work and it worked.

There were a few people like Argus who called for the RCMP to let counter-protesters take care of things and a few who were on the brink of doing so but I suspect all it would have done is harden protesters feelings while increasing their numbers of sympathizers.

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The moment your strategy to fine became apparent would be when people would show up without ID meaning you'd still have to arrest everyone and then spend even more time figuring out who was who. A strategy of passive utterly uncooperative resistance whereby protesters basically just become like a thick coating of gunk that slows down everything will work.  It just depends on the level of resistance.  I saw it at work and it worked.

There were a few people like Argus who called for the RCMP to let counter-protesters take care of things and a few who were on the brink of doing so but I suspect all it would have done is harden protesters feelings while increasing their numbers of sympathizers.

No, not at all.  Finger print or facial recognition technology can easily identify people.  Regardless, why are you defending lawlessness?  Would you feel the same about people doing something similar to an abortion clinic?

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5 minutes ago, Shady said:

No, not at all.  Finger print or facial recognition technology can easily identify people.  Regardless, why are you defending lawlessness?  

Because I'm basically an anarchist whose convinced we have nothing to lose because we're going over a cliff otherwise.  Besides I have grandkids so...

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Would you feel the same about people doing something similar to an abortion clinic?

No feel free to scoop those fucking assholes. And yes I do drive my car to the climate change rally - by myself in the HOV lane if I feel like it.

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17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Because I'm basically an anarchist whose convinced we have nothing to lose because we're going over a cliff otherwise.  Besides I have grandkids so...

No feel free to scoop those fucking assholes. And yes I do drive my car to the climate change rally - by myself in the HOV lane if I feel like it.

That’s what I figured.  You’re an unserious person.  A so-called anarchist sometimes, a government lap dog other times.

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3 hours ago, Shady said:

I’d just have the ministry of finance enforce the fine and garnish wages.

To have wages, they would have to have a job.   If they had a job, they could not be hanging around smoking dope and 'protesting".

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50 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're basically Jesus.

No, I'm a law and order conservative who especially doesn't like violent offenders.

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3 hours ago, Shady said:

That’s what I figured.  You’re an unserious person.  A so-called anarchist sometimes,

Sure I'm serious and have a very rational reason for feeling anarchic. I would certainly prefer law and order along with scientific evidenced based policy but in lieu of that I'd prefer total global socio-economic collapse and sooner rather than later.

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a government lap dog other times.

:lol:

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22 hours ago, eyeball said:

The moment your strategy to fine became apparent would be when people would show up without ID meaning you'd still have to arrest everyone and then spend even more time figuring out who was who. A strategy of passive utterly uncooperative resistance whereby protesters basically just become like a thick coating of gunk that slows down everything will work.  It just depends on the level of resistance.  I saw it at work and it worked.

There were a few people like Argus who called for the RCMP to let counter-protesters take care of things and a few who were on the brink of doing so but I suspect all it would have done is harden protesters feelings while increasing their numbers of sympathizers.

DO you think it is really that easy, once arrested they confine you , until you agree to pay a bond or someone else agrees to pay the bond, if not and they can't ID you, or your not paying well there is your bunk have a nice stay...if you do pay the bond but don't show up to court they place an arrest warrant out for you, where once rearrested you go to jail until the court decides what to do with you....in the mean time they are locked up , no more protesting for you....problem solved have you meet bubba your new roommates. 

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While I generally understand and respect First nations, I would like to ask this tiny minority where are their protests in support of the Kootenai first nation who have never ceeded their traditional homeland in South-Western Alberta they were forcibly removed from by the Blackfeet? What about the Sinixt nation who were enslaved and forced from their traditional lands in the northern west Kootenay by the Shushwap, or the genocide of the first nation in the eastern arctic at the hands of the Inuit? Slavery, colonialism, and genocide are not activities confined to Europeans.

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6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

DO you think it is really that easy, once arrested they confine you , until you agree to pay a bond or someone else agrees to pay the bond, if not and they can't ID you, or your not paying well there is your bunk have a nice stay...if you do pay the bond but don't show up to court they place an arrest warrant out for you, where once rearrested you go to jail until the court decides what to do with you....in the mean time they are locked up , no more protesting for you....problem solved have you meet bubba your new roommates. 

Now multiply that by a couple thousand, 5000, 10000... the province gave up after 800 hereabouts.

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4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

While I generally understand and respect First nations, I would like to ask this tiny minority where are their protests in support of the Kootenai first nation who have never ceeded their traditional homeland in South-Western Alberta they were forcibly removed from by the Blackfeet? What about the Sinixt nation who were enslaved and forced from their traditional lands in the northern west Kootenay by the Shushwap, or the genocide of the first nation in the eastern arctic at the hands of the Inuit? Slavery, colonialism, and genocide are not activities confined to Europeans.

Well, I guess by that token Canada is free to invade the Wet'suwet'en and settle it the traditional way.

 

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It’s getting dangerous.  

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-canada-is-turning-into-a-mob-city-while-trudeau-remains-silent

Read the above article and then read the brilliant comment posted below it:

https://nationalpost.com/news/john-ivison-canada-is-turning-into-a-mob-city-while-trudeau-remains-silent?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share#vf-57e150e9-95ca-434d-9fe8-049746a97674

This is major.  Trudeau better get on the job of leading, up to and including War Measures Act.  Let’s see if he can summon “Just watch me.”  If not, I worry for this country.  

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