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5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm feeling very light, I dodged this bullet with time to spare, if I die of Covfefe, at least I'll die rich.

OMG, did we finally figure out what Covfefe is? Sweet.

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

That's just Canadian oil, it sells at a big discount, West Texas is $20, Brent is $24

I wonder what Irving in Que is paying for the Saudi oil that's coming through the pristine St Lawrence seaway (actually the one that's full of sewage from Que).

Actually, I don't even care. I still want this country to break apart.

 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

I wonder what Irving in Que is paying for the Saudi oil that's coming through the pristine St Lawrence seaway (actually the one that's full of sewage from Que).

Actually, I don't even care. I still want this country to break apart.

The trajectory here is towards a deflationary spiral, prices and wages fall and it starts to feed on itself, and that's called a depression.

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On 3/16/2020 at 9:48 AM, eyeball said:

Hmmm a Fox News poll that puts lefties in a bad light.  Now there's something you can take to the bank.

It puts lefties in a bad light/good light depending on what side of the aisle you're on. 

I put CNN on last night to see what happened in the Dem Primary and their Cuomo guy was talking to their election expert, they call him "the Wizard" iirc, and they were acting like Republicans were totally ignorant because they didn't fear the virus enough.

Today was the first day that I ever heard about healthy people under 50 having anything to fear from the virus. If I heard today's covid news three weeks ago I would have had a different view of it.

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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The trajectory here is towards a deflationary spiral, prices and wages fall and it starts to feed on itself, and that's called a depression.

I won't be surprised to see a depression, but nothing like the '30s.

Part of what made that one so bad was agricultural failure. It wasn't good in 1929 when the market crashed, then there was widespread drought through the middle of the '30s. 

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2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I won't be surprised to see a depression, but nothing like the '30s.

Part of what made that one so bad was agricultural failure. It wasn't good in 1929 when the market crashed, then there was widespread drought through the middle of the '30s. 

It was more about Hawley-Smoot, the market crash incited an all out trade war and that is what caused it to persist

Hawley-Smoot was to protect the American farmers, but then the whole world followed suit.

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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It was more about Hawley-Smoot, the market crash incited an all out trade war and that is what caused it to persist

Hawley-Smoot was to protect the American farmers, but then the whole world followed suit.

I think that where I live, in BC, our economy could take a huge hit just because of our Tiffany-dependant GDP. We're chock full of interior decorators, designers, home renovators, hair stylists, nail technicians, baristas, chefs, bartenders, waitresses, bankers, lenders, investors, developers, etc. A lot of those jobs depend on a really healthy economy to stay viable.

Outside of that we have a lot of government workers - cops, health professionals, firemen, teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, therapists etc who are less frivolous but still don't create any measurable export commodities. 

The people I know in BC who have jobs where they actually create anything that could be sold abroad would fit in a canoe, aside from a handful of farmers.

 

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2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I think that where I live, in BC, our economy could take a huge hit just because of our Tiffany-dependant GDP. We're chock full of interior decorators, designers, home renovators, hair stylists, nail technicians, baristas, chefs, bartenders, waitresses, bankers, lenders, investors, developers, etc. A lot of those jobs depend on a really healthy economy to stay viable.

Outside of that we have a lot of government workers - cops, health professionals, firemen, teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, therapists etc who are less frivolous but still don't create any measurable export commodities. 

The people I know in BC who have jobs where they actually create anything that could be sold abroad would fit in a canoe, aside from a handful of farmers.

 

People who work in the Information Economy are not likely to be in the depression, virtual work can carry on, people in the brick & mortar economy will be the ones who take the hit

The Information Age revolution sweeping the industrial age aside is not going to stop for the Corona Crash

Silicon Valley has taken a hit, but not as bad as everybody else.

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10 hours ago, Rue said:

Argus the KNOWN cases get reported. This means many more have not been. If anything this means the fatality rate is lower than what it appears to be because of that. Deaths will show up healthy recoveries don't, they don't even get reported.

I do not think that's the way they calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak.

The mortality rate is based on the number of cases reported and does not take into account unreported cases.

Although this may not be an accurate representation (as in the case of Italy) where mortality rate is far higher suggesting there are many more asymptomatic cases unreported.   

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

It is a bit of a good news but as the interviewer said I am sceptic of 100% treatment of Coronavirus. Furthermore, we don't know about the side effects of malaria drug on Corona patients.

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35 minutes ago, kactus said:

It is a bit of a good news but as the interviewer said I am sceptic of 100% treatment of Coronavirus. Furthermore, we don't know about the side effects of malaria drug on Corona patients.

I watched a bit of the Ingraham Angle and they said that in China they tried hundreds of different, known drugs to see if they'd help vs coronavirus and that they've started using the Malaria drug quite a bit, but China's not sharing their info.  

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Can't be any worse than mefloquine, given to troops by our government while it was still marked experimental....they forgot to add  that it kills your empathy, turns you into a zombie, one minute your laughing your head off, then crying the next....and when you get 1200 troops all taking it on the same night , buckle the f*** up it's going to be a party... 

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This medicine can cause dizziness, loss of balance, ringing in the ears, anxiety, paranoia, low mood (depression), seizures, not thinking clearly or with logic, mood changes, changes in how you act, or hallucinations. These side effects may last for a few months or can be long-lasting and not go away even after the drug is stopped. Do not take mefloquine to prevent malaria if you have mental or mood problems. Call your doctor right away if you have any of these side effects.

 

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6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Can't be any worse than mefloquine, given to troops by our government while it was still marked experimental....they forgot to add  that it kills your empathy, turns you into a zombie, one minute your laughing your head off, then crying the next....and when you get 1200 troops all taking it on the same night , buckle the f*** up it's going to be a party... 

 

Let me guess: you volunteered to take that shit, right? J/K, sounds bad. I know a guy who served in Yugo and if he sees a kid crying he'll start crying himself. I wonder if he took any of that stuff.

Was the article that you quoted about Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine?

HCQ is supposed to be "40% less toxic". It's like having a girlfriend instead of a wife. 

Again, just kidding, I love my wife. I could actually do the two week quarantine with her quite easily. We have been living and working together for over 14 years. 

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21 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Can't be any worse than mefloquine, given to troops by our government while it was still marked experimental....they forgot to add  that it kills your empathy, turns you into a zombie, one minute your laughing your head off, then crying the next....and when you get 1200 troops all taking it on the same night , buckle the f*** up it's going to be a party...

It's not Meflo, it's Plaquenil, it does have side effects tho, like it can cause severe hypoglycemia, so don't take it if you are diabetic.

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24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Let me guess: you volunteered to take that shit, right? J/K, sounds bad. I know a guy who served in Yugo and if he sees a kid crying he'll start crying himself. I wonder if he took any of that stuff.

Was the article that you quoted about Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine?

HCQ is supposed to be "40% less toxic". It's like having a girlfriend instead of a wife. 

Again, just kidding, I love my wife. I could actually do the two week quarantine with her quite easily. We have been living and working together for over 14 years. 

Ya, we always had a choice take it or go home.... funney part is we all had loaded wpns , I think it was eventually replaced by Chloroquine...I remember in Yugo we had a chioce, between the two, but only if you where going on holidays to some place warm...  

The quote was from mefloquine...

my problem is not with the wife it's the damn to do list.

 

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16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not Meflo, it's Plaquenil, it does have side effects tho, like it can cause severe hypoglycemia, so don't take it if you are diabetic.

I know, just saying it could be any worse than meflo...

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Just now, Army Guy said:

I know, just saying it could be any worse than meflo...

No doubt, but all the malaria drugs are kind of sketchy, with Plaquenil they don't even know how it works, but somehow it inhibits the malaria virus from breaking down red blood cells.

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14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Number of cases currently in Canada requiring hospitalization? One.

Citation?

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Italy is quite alarming.

I'm trying not to be alarmed...but Italy....

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Let us again get back to the current issue which can be summarized as follows and can be found at: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-outbreak-end.html

 

"The best way to control the virus or slow its spread is through containment measures such as quarantines and travel restrictions, Gordon told Live Science. Indeed, there's been a worldwide effort to stop the spread of this new coronavirus. Some efforts, such as the quarantines on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, might have had limited success, Live Science previously reported

But containing the spread of the virus will be extremely difficult, Gordon said. There are a few reasons for that: SARS-CoV-2 spreads very easily, most cases of COVID-19 aren't severe and thus may not be identified, and the virus has a long incubation period, or the time between when a person is infected and when they start showing symptoms, Gordon said. 

What's more, all containment efforts are based on what we know about the virus, and there's still much we don't know. Quarantine periods are typically 14 days, based on early studies that suggested that was the longest possible incubation period for the virus. But there's some evidence that the incubation period might be much longer. 

For instance, local news reports from China's Hubei province (where the first human cases of the disease appeared) claimed that a 70-year-old man who was infected with the coronavirus didn't show symptoms until 27 days after infection, according to The Washington Post. The most common ways the virus is thought to spread are through respiratory droplets and via contact with an infected person, but it's still unclear if the virus can spread before symptoms begin."

So again it needs to be said that the stats we have are not accurate and there is much more to be learned and in the vacuum of that knowledge people spread information and theories that have no basis and are based on subjective speculation, inference and incorrect assumptions, often triggered by an anxiety of not having answers but wanting them.

We in the affluent Western world have been taught by our social systems that when we get sick we pop a pill, an instant cure. When we can't we fret.

Religions were started to provide people with emotional comfort to deal with primal fears of darkness, predators, illness, death, things that made our world seem impossible to control and always a threat to us. So we created faith belief systems and rituals to ease our anxiety of things we could not understand or control.

With the erosion of religion as a central control organ to contain and channel our anxiety, we have now turned to the inter-net and its instant answers as our new God and faith value system and it provides us the knowledge  our clergy persons once did only the themes we are given are contradictory and mostly prove to be false if they stay on the internet long enough.

All you have to do is read back the millions of predictions on the world ending in 1999,the second sun going to smash into us, aliens waiting to attack us and planning an invasion using Walmart as the group gathering stations to kill us all, 9-11, Ebola, Zeka, Swine flue, Bird Flu, Aids,  North Korea, Iran, pick your poison who was or is going to kill us all.

Here is how the virus will subside as all viruses do:

"Pandemics end when the virus doesn't have enough susceptible people to infect. 

The catastrophic 1918 Spanish flu pandemic is thought to have infected 500 million people worldwide, many of them soldiers living in close quarters fighting in World War I. Once the war ended and people dispersed, the spread slowed as people had less contact. But the flu was ultimately halted in part because those who survived it had immunity and the virus didn't hop as easily as it did at the beginning. 

If the virus comes into contact with another person but that person isn't susceptible to the disease, then that chain of transmission is snuffed out. If one person infects two, those people together infect four and so on, and eventually, the virus runs out of susceptible people to infect, said Joshua Epstein, a professor of epidemiology at New York University. "What happens typically is that enough people get the bug that there just aren't enough susceptible people to keep the chain going."

This is why I said, we need people who have contacted the illness and become immune to it to spread to counter the spread of the virus. So in spite of our isolating people to  give hospitals time to adjust, we are also delaying the natural process of evolution which is to allow the virus to spread and be defeated by sufficient no's of people who are immune to it not being able to spread it.

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Here is another possibility that may see an end to this virus that is NOT a doomsday panic theory but one based on SARS and also found at: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-outbreak-end.html

"Another possibility is that SARS-CoV-2 will mutate in a potentially beneficial way, making it more difficult for the virus to infect people. Back in 2002, a similar coronavirus in the Guangdong province of southern China first hopped to humans from animals and caused an outbreak of an infection that became known as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

 

SARS spread to 26 other countries, including Canada, sparking fear that the disease would become widespread in North America. "When SARS came to Canada, we were worried that this was going to be another epicenter," said Dr. Eric Cioe-Peña, an emergency room physician and the director of global health at Northwell Health in New York. 

But the outbreak ended up petering out, in part due to good public health containment, he said. But it also was because SARS randomly mutated — as viruses commonly do — and became much more severe but harder to transmit to humans, he said."

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