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1 hour ago, Shady said:

Trump has done everything Trudeau’s done, but sooner, including shutting down travel from China and Europe much sooner.  Yep, he’s an asshole, but in terms of getting things done, the federal response, CDC, FEMA, the army corps of engineers have been in use for several weeks.  The reason why testing was delayed was because at first the CDC wanted to handle all of the testing, the way they have during previous pandemics.  If Trump was late acquiring equipment than Trudeau was really really late.  Not to mention that at least the United States has a stockpile.  Trudeau didn’t even have that to go to.  But yes, Trudeau is nicer, and speaks much better.  He’s nicer to the press too. 

America is raising their testing game now that the federal government isn't the only game in town, they are closing in on South Korea and Germany levels of testing per capita, just need a million more tests or so and they are there. They have already have done more than double the number of tests the next closest nation, which is Germany and more than 8 times the number of tests done by the nation who handled this the best in big part due to testing capacity.

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12 hours ago, Shady said:

But somehow people are still pushing the false narrative that Trump has done nothing and Trudeau has.  Complete and utter bullshit.

Nobody is saying Trump has done nothing,  simply that what he's done has been so destructive.

It's completely true to say Trudeau has done less because he's freakin' locked down under quarantine.

America should have been so lucky.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nobody is saying Trump has done nothing,  simply that what he's done has been so destructive.

It's completely true to say Trudeau has done less because he's freakin' locked down under quarantine.

 

Trump has always mattered more than Trudeau.....why would it be any different now ?

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7 hours ago, Argus said:

You see me defending anyone's behavior?

No you stopped doing that once it was made clear to you that defending Trumps flight ban was nonsensical. Only took two months. Seems flogging a dead horse does work on occasion, go figure.

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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump has always mattered more than Trudeau.....why would it be any different now ?

Why don't you tell us Shakespeare, you know everything.

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why don't you tell us Shakespeare, you know everything.

 

Trump gets a lot of media attention in Canada, much more than Trudeau does in the U.S., because Trump "matters" so much.

Trump has had more impact on Canada....it's not even close.

 

 

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump gets a lot of media attention in Canada, much more than Trudeau does in the U.S., because Trump "matters" so much.

No, I'm pretty sure it's because he's a fucking idiot and it matters, a lot, because we don't need that up here.

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Trump has had more impact on Canada....it's not even close.

Not according to his death count.

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Just now, eyeball said:

No, I'm pretty sure it's because he's a fucking idiot and it matters, a lot, because we don't need that up here.

Not according to his death count.

 

Then why has Trudeau visited the United States 20 times ?

Trump has only visited Canada once for a G-7 meeting.

On the world stage, Trump matters more than Trudeau.

 

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Then why has Trudeau visited the United States 20 times ?

Must be a snowbird.

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Trump has only visited Canada once for a G-7 meeting.

Lucky us.

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On the world stage, Trump matters more than Trudeau.

Sux to be you.

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Just now, eyeball said:

Must be a snowbird.

Lucky us.

Sux to be you.

 

So the "leader" of Canada is a snowbird ?

Going to Trump's USA so many times ?

...because he knows what matters more.

Even you have reported crossing the border for whatever you can't get in Canada.

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

So the "leader" of Canada is a snowbird ?

I don't know, It's your main goto reason for going isn't it?

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Going to Trump's USA so many times ?

...because he knows what matters more.

 

Or that going over Trump's head is how you get anything done down there.

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Even you have reported crossing the border for whatever you can't get in Canada.

No, my brother can visit us on occasion too.

 

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Just now, eyeball said:

I don't know, It's your main goto reason for going isn't it?

Or that going over Trump's head is how you get anything done down there.

No, my brother can visit us on occasion too.

 

 

I don't know why so many Canadians go to Trump's USA, but I am sure they all have their reasons.

Trump is just the latest leader of the show that some Canadians can't resist, and that includes Trudeau.

...and your own brother ?

 

Canada should close the border....but it won't....and we both know why.

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13 hours ago, Boges said:

TdS tDs TdS!

Dropping TDS doesn't actually qualify as an intelligent argument. 

You don't think scientists everywhere aren't trying to find a cure. What Trump is doing is creating artificial hype for a drug that may or may not actually benefit COVID patients. 

Even some of the biggest Trump Haters out there admit hydroxychloroquine looks promising thus far, but you have a worse case of TDS than even them apparently. Trump could say the sky was blue and you'd claim he was selling snake oil. All Trump is saying is it's worth investigating, and you still jump down his throat.

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3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Even some of the biggest Trump Haters out there admit hydroxychloroquine looks promising thus far, but you have a worse case of TDS than even them apparently. Trump could say the sky was blue and you'd claim he was selling snake oil. All Trump is saying is it's worth investigating, and you still jump down his throat.

A potential treatment is worth investigating.

What a fucking genius.

Now all we have to do is find someone who thinks it isn't worth investigating possible treatments to make Trump's deflection valid.

Of course, some might say that Trump is spending so much time hyping an unproven drug in order to calm the markets and increase his chances of reelection.

Not me though, now you have shown what a genius he is for saying it is worth investigating potential treatments I shall be mounting a campaign to get him the Nobel prize for chemistry he so clearly deserves.

 

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4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Even some of the biggest Trump Haters out there admit hydroxychloroquine looks promising thus far, but you have a worse case of TDS than even them apparently. Trump could say the sky was blue and you'd claim he was selling snake oil. All Trump is saying is it's worth investigating, and you still jump down his throat.

He's contradicting the advice of his own specialists by creating unrealistic expectations from this drug. 

To the point that he refused to let Fauci answer questions about the drug. 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

He's contradicting the advice of his own specialists by creating unrealistic expectations from this drug.

 

That's OK...he also contradicted the specialists in 2016.

Some doctors are already prescribing the drug hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.

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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

That's OK...he also contradicted the specialists in 2016.

Some doctors are already prescribing the drug hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.

In last ditch efforts to save someone who would otherwise die.  

The FDA has not approved it and no conclusive trials have been done.

BTW political instincts and medical instincts are completely different. I would argue Trump benefitted greatly from listening to his political advisors that his path to election was to fight the election in a handful of states and ignore the rest. 

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8 hours ago, eyeball said:

No you stopped doing that once it was made clear to you that defending Trumps flight ban was nonsensical. Only took two months. Seems flogging a dead horse does work on occasion, go figure.

The flight ban was essential.  Anyone with half a brain knows that.  Even the doctors recognize that you can’t have more and more people coming from an area with a highly contagious disease.  It’s basic logic and reason.  But unfortunately Trump causes people to abandon logic and reason, because orange man bad. 

 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

In last ditch efforts to save someone who would otherwise die.  

The FDA has not approved it and no conclusive trials have been done. 

 

So what ?   The drug has been approved for many decades and doctors can prescribe it.

This Democrat is thanking Trump...

 

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Michigan Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett credited hydroxychloroquine and President Trump for her speedy recovery from COVID-19, according to the Detroit Free Press.

Hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug, has been touted by the Trump administration as a potential key to treating the disease.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491612-democratic-state-rep-thanks-trump-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-recovery

 

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8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nobody is saying Trump has done nothing,  simply that what he's done has been so destructive.

It's completely true to say Trudeau has done less because he's freakin' locked down under quarantine.

America should have been so lucky.

Complete nonsense.  Enacting FEMA isn’t destructive.  Enacting the army corps or engineers isn’t destructive.  Enacting the CDC isn’t destructive.  Enacting travel bans isn’t destructive.  Enacting the Defence Production Act isn’t destructive.  Your hyperbole is out of control.  See a doctor.

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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So what ?   The drug has been approved for many decades and doctors can prescribe it.

This Democrat is thanking Trump...

 

 

Some people are too dumb to understand that there isn’t time right now to do a proper year long study.  And that all of the side effects are already known, because the drug has been given to tens of millions of people for decades.  

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The Stupid CDC. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/491702-cdc-updates-website-to-remove-guidance-on-drug-touted-by-trump

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However, the CDC’s website, which was updated Tuesday, no longer includes that statement, instead stating that the drugs "are under investigation in clinical trials" to be used on patients infected with coronavirus.

The website continues to note that "[t]here are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Hill regarding the change. The removal was first reported by Reuters.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Boges said:

The Stupid CDC.

 

CDC does not control usage...doctors do:

 

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Tuesday that 1 million doses of hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug that some hospitals are using to treat coronavirus, will arrive in Florida the following day.

While its been approved for emergency use against COVID-19, some medical experts warn it is unproven.

...Despite conflict in the medical community over the drug’s effectiveness, politicians tout the drug’s benefits. President Trump has previously called it a “game changer” in the fight against the virus. In a media conference Friday, President Trump said he wants doctors to decide whether to prescribe the drug, adding he’s heard positive results.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/1-million-doses-of-malaria-drug-headed-to-florida-to-treat-covid-19

 

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

The flight ban was essential.  

What ban? There was no ban just the illusion of one.

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40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week and many with spotty screening.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

 

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Trump causes people to abandon logic and reason, because orange man bad.

 No Trump is just really stupid. Defending him causes people to turn themselves into unreasonable illogical pretzels. 

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15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What ban? There was no ban just the illusion of one.

 

 No Trump is just really stupid. Defending him causes people to turn themselves into unreasonable illogical pretzels. 

No there absolutely was a ban.  But yes, in November, December, and January a lot of people from China traveled to the United States.  

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