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16 minutes ago, Argus said:

Then you are trying to argue colour with a colourblind man. He literally does not undestand where you're coming from or why you're concerned.

These forums are so devoid of decent debate.  Michael is willing to engage in logical debate, so even if I may not convince him i'll engage with him.  Maybe one of both of us will learn something.

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On 3/19/2020 at 5:54 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

No like Quebec.  Alberta separatism is based on economics which can be more easily solved, Quebec it's based on nationalism, which is harder to solve.  Economics and taxes can change, languages and cultural differences not so much.

Only in Quebec can the word nationalism be accepted as A okay and not be seen as being racist. When the West talks about nationalism the usual leftist liberal village idiot crowds start shouting racism-racism. But hey, eh? 

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On 3/19/2020 at 9:30 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Canadian Sikh's made Jagmeet Singh (Jimmy Dhaliwal, he started going by Singh to appeal to Brampton Sikhs) the leader of the NDP through tons of late party membership signups and big-time donations.  I have nothing against Sikh Canadians, but voting based on ethnicity rather than policy is divisive and dangerous.  Just as it is white Canadians who won't vote for Jagmeet because of his ethnicity.

Plenty of white people voted for the Sikh. I guess that we can't call them racists now, can we? And here I thought that all white people were supposed to be all  just a bunch of racists? Shocking to find out that many white people voted for the Sikh, eh? ;)

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39 minutes ago, taxme said:

All the more reason to want to ban all immigration from China. I mean, it's not like we do not have enough Asians in Canada already, and as you said, they must all be loyal to the Chinese communists who only kill people who dare to question their communist authority. We need to also stop doing business with communist China. Why are we all supporting a communist regime that does not believe in freedom of speech and assembly. There are hundreds of thousands of new Chinese immigrants that have come to Canada in the past couple of decades or so. No doubt as you say, all could be spies. Hey, you never know, eh? 

Why would you say "no" anyway? I am curious about that one? Are you afraid of being called a racist by chance?   :)

At this point I wouldn't ban all Chinese immigration, that's why I said no.  But we should be very aware of the security risks that a minority of them pose and of the bad intents of the Chinese government, and do our due diligence.

That said, I have zero loyalty or duty to any potential immigrants.  My concern is Canada.  If the above issues can't be secured I would consider banning all Chinese migrants until the Chinese stop stealing from us, but that's a pretty serious thing to do and i'm not at that point yet.  Canada certainly hasn't done enough on its end to try and stop it. 

Trudeau is far more worried about his reputation among left-leaning peers in Canada and internationally than he is about the security of Canada.  When you're more worried about impressing your peers rather than doing what's right then you've turned your back on the country for your own ego.  The man doesn't know anything about Canadian history other than what his father spun on him, so why should he care anyways.

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15 minutes ago, taxme said:

Plenty of white people voted for the Sikh. I guess that we can't call them racists now, can we? And here I thought that all white people were supposed to be all  just a bunch of racists? Shocking to find out that many white people voted for the Sikh, eh? ;)

I was talking about the NDP leadership vote.

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2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1. Huh?

2. Ok

3.  It means Chinese-Canadians aren't assimilating.  If immigrants are able to get by without learning English or French, they will keep their native language.  Chinese-Canadians not being able to communicate with the rest of Canadians is very bad for unity.  See Quebec.

4.  And I know many younger Chinese-Canadians that strongly defend the Chinese government because they feel they China is rising at an incredible rate and turning them into a global power with the world's strongest economy.  I also know Chinese, mainly older ones, that dislike the China government.  Even still, they can't publicly criticize them because their family in China may be intimidated and coerced.

5.  No that's not my position at all.  If you bring in immigrants, you should make sure that they are assimilated, and you make sure they remain loyal to Canada.  That was hard if not impossible to do in Quebec, since francophones colonized Canada before the current anglo majority.  Many Quebeckers are loyal to Quebec but not Canada.  If we have a chance to avoid similar sub-nationalism with immigrants, especially those who are and will continue to be concentrated more and more in mass amounts in one geographic area, we need to do so.  Immigrants trickle in, it's not that difficult to do.  All I want is for immigrants to become Canadian, and not just Canadian in legal status only.  I want them to join our family, most immigrants I know have.  A piece of paper isn't enough, your heart also must be there.

We've successfully fully integrated immigrants in the past and still do, but most (not all cases) tended to come in lesser total numbers and were less concentrated.  The more immigrants in a single area, the less assimilated they will be, because they won't be exposed to other Canadians as much, and they'll be able to keep with their own kind more, and won't need to learn or use our language(s) as much.  While being in Vancouver and Toronto areas, i've never felt so much social distrust between people.  Quebec is different, they trust each other but didn't trust me (an anglo outsider).  We need to prevent this.

6.  No.  I heard Switzerland has done well with multiculturalism, but I don't know it well.

7.  So you say.

8.  Scots and Irish don't speak or write in another language and their cultures are very similar to other anglos.  Scottish and Irish nationalism exists and existed, but it's not nearly as strong as Chinese nationalism.  China is not only its own nation, it is its own civilization.  It has its own langauge, writing systems, religions, and ancient history etc.  The other groups you mentioned were not concentrated in one area of one province in mass numbers that will continue to grow indefinitely, isolated from the rest of Canada on the coast.

How does Canada expect new immigrants like Chinese to assimilate into Canadian culture and language and traditions when we create and promote those nasty divisive programs called multiculturalism and diversity. 

The Chinese have their own Chinese TV and radio stations. They have their own Chinese newspapers. They have their own Chinese cultural community centers. They have their own Chinese businesses. They have their Chinese own schools. I wonder if they have now created their own Chinese political party in Canada, and gawd only knows what else. Today in Canada, anyone immigrating from some non British/European Western countries are now pretty much told that Canada is a multicultural and diverse country and they need not have to worry about assimilating into Canadian culture and in the the ways we do things here in Canada. Go ahead and eat a dog or cat, just do not get found out. Just carry on with your cultures as you did back home.

And the sad part about it all is that the British/European taxpayer's of Canada are helping these new foreigners to keep their own cultures, traditions, and languages alive and well, and the host taxpayer's will help pay for it all with their own tax dollars. What a great deal, eh? Why, they all just love and believe in multiculturalism and diversity. Ha-ha-ha. 

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31 minutes ago, taxme said:

Only in Quebec can the word nationalism be accepted as A okay and not be seen as being racist. When the West talks about nationalism the usual leftist liberal village idiot crowds start shouting racism-racism. But hey, eh? 

When being proud and loyal to your country is racist, maybe you should start considering that the lens through which you see the world is tainted with sh!t.

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11 minutes ago, taxme said:

 Today in Canada, anyone immigrating from some non British/European Western countries are now pretty much told that Canada is a multicultural and diverse country and they need not have to worry about assimilating into Canadian culture and in the the ways we do things here in Canada.

Exactly.  When this is government policy, it's destructive.  They literally are trying to erode Canadian identity and culture, wash it away and replace it with their utopian dreams.

And we barely teach Canadian history in schools.  Why give people any reason to be proud of their country?  It's hard to be proud of something you don't know anything about.

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6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

When being proud and loyal to your country is racist, maybe you should start considering that the lens through which you see the world is tainted with sh!t.

This country is covered and is full of shit. The shit that goes on in this country is the shits. When our politicians and the media say anything, which in most cases is full of shit, they will throw their shit into the fan and send all of their shit flying onto our shitty now covered faces. The lens cover is full of shit. Aw well, what more shit can be said, shit. :D  

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On 3/19/2020 at 12:22 PM, Argus said:

I would not say an outright ban, but I would definitely be one hell of a lot more discerning about who we take, cut the numbers down heavily, and do a lot more background checks (currently we do none) on these people to see just how closely affiliated they have been with the Chinese government and its security infrastructure.

That is  a lot different than the  Taxme agenda. 

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3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Exactly.  When this is government policy, it's destructive.  They literally are trying to erode Canadian identity and culture, wash it away and replace it with their utopian dreams.

And we barely teach Canadian history in schools.  Why give people any reason to be proud of their country?  It's hard to be proud of something you don't know anything about.

I wonder as to how many children in Canadian schools today know as to who was the first Prime Minister of Canada?  A very good question that I am going to ask my own grandchildren next time I see them. One is 15 years old. He should know, right, or at least I hope he knows. Our children and grandchildren are no doubt learning more about all the joys of multiculturalism and diversity and nothing about their own Western history or culture. They appear to be learning and know more about other foreign cultures then their own. That is not very good at all. 

When a country kicks the first Prime minister of Canada off of it's  Canadian ten dollar bill and replaces it with someone else who no one ever heard about until a year ago, or knocks down or removes statues of some of our past founders of Canada, like they did in Victoria where they took down the statue of Sir John A. Macdonald off the steps of the parliament building in Victoria that is when you know that our Canadian history is slowly being wiped out and erased  by our own stupid and stunned anti-Canadian politicians. That gay Mayor of Victoria should have been hounded out of office for what she and her anti-Canadian council members did. Sadly, there were no demonstrations made over it nor over the replacement of Sir John A. off the Canadian ten dollar bill. There is not that much left of pride for Canada anymore unless you are a liberal or socialist or communist who love Canada the way it is headed. We can only thank this all to massive 3rd world immigration and multiculturalism and diversity for that. Those three are and will cause plenty of division and chaos one day and not unity. At this point in time, trying to ban all immigration from China is a bit too late for Canada now. The deed and damage has now been done and only some miracle will save Canada from it's eventual demise.  

The only good thing about this low dollar or peso is that the ten dollar Canadian bill with the picture of some black woman on which is only worth about approx. 65 cents now. We will only see her face now, and not Sir John A. on it anymore. The anti- Canadians and the out anti-Canadian history and culture leftists are winning and nobody seems to care. Shocking. 

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4 minutes ago, Rue said:

That is  a lot different than the  Taxme agenda. 

Hey fella, it would appear to me as though you are still suffering from what I like to call NDS(Nazi derangement Syndrome). I see Nazi's everywhere syndrome. Yes indeed, taxme has his own political nationalist agenda alright, and I am still not having any problems with it yet at all. But hey, what more can be said that you have not called me or said about me already so many times in the past here? It's all water off my back now. I think that I have a very good idea as to who you would like to ban from coming into Canada, and I doubt very much that it would be Asians, right?  Just asking. :D

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5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1.  It means Chinese-Canadians aren't assimilating.  If immigrants are able to get by without learning English or French, they will keep their native language.  Chinese-Canadians not being able to communicate with the rest of Canadians is very bad for unity.  See Quebec.

2.  And I know many younger Chinese-Canadians that strongly defend the Chinese government because they feel they China is rising at an incredible rate and turning them into a global power with the world's strongest economy. 

3.  No that's not my position at all.  

4.  No.  I heard Switzerland has done well with multiculturalism, but I don't know it well.

7.  So you say.

8.  The other groups you mentioned were not concentrated in one area of one province in mass numbers that will continue to grow indefinitely, isolated from the rest of Canada on the coast.

1.  Like I said, things change.  If a majority of voters want to do something, including change the constitution, there's not much to be done about it anyway.
2. How many ?  And how many younger Chinese Canadians do you know in total ?
3. Here's your position again: " Show me a successful model for multiculturalism, i'll show you 50 more that lead to political strife, disunity, and calls for separatism, including Canada. "  Who is this successful model that you're talking about then ?  What are the metrics for success ?  Give hard criteria here please, not just adjectives.
4. Well if they're the "better than Canada" approach doesn't that interest you ?  Why not research it and come back and explain to prove your point then ?
5. I thought you were talking about Toronto but you're talking about B.C.  I think Chinese immigration will be like Germans in Kitchener or Ukranians all over Ontario.  They will just become Canadian.  I have my own anecdotes to counter yours.

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17 hours ago, taxme said:

Hey fella, it would appear to me as though you are still suffering from what I like to call NDS(Nazi derangement Syndrome). I see Nazi's everywhere syndrome. Yes indeed, taxme has his own political nationalist agenda alright, and I am still not having any problems with it yet at all. But hey, what more can be said that you have not called me or said about me already so many times in the past here? It's all water off my back now. I think that I have a very good idea as to who you would like to ban from coming into Canada, and I doubt very much that it would be Asians, right?  Just asking. :D

 I have no need to ban you, the virus or Chinese.  I like the boogy man right in my face so I can kiss him on his lips and watch him gimme the death  gurgle. COME CLOSER.

There I think that about reflects the level of where you seem focused.

 

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Alot of kneejerk-reactions against the Chinese because of the Coronavirus but yes they will have a lot of questions to be answered when there is time to ask those questions after the more important issue of tackling the virus has been dealt with.

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1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Alot of kneejerk-reactions against the Chinese because of the Coronavirus but yes they will have a lot of questions to be answered when there is time to ask those questions after the more important issue of tackling the virus has been dealt with.

You won't get a straight answer from their government. However we don't really need that answer. We already known from swine flu, avian flu it probably came from contaminated meat. Now whether it was bat, snake, some other animal....tracking the jump from mammal to human might be difficult but understanding virus jump from unsanitary food practices is not new.

 

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1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Alot of kneejerk-reactions against the Chinese because of the Coronavirus but yes they will have a lot of questions to be answered when there is time to ask those questions after the more important issue of tackling the virus has been dealt with.

I think a lot of questions have to be answered by our own governments as to why they were all completely unprepared for an epidemic.

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On 3/26/2020 at 1:11 PM, Argus said:

I think a lot of questions have to be answered by our own governments as to why they were all completely unprepared for an epidemic.

Yes it is amazing how easily the media swept under the table the weeks of foreign flights from hot spots landing in Canada without a single question being asked, never mind any kind of physical evaluation coming through customs.   Seems South Korea, Taiwan, Germany all managed to have adequate testing available with the first few cases turned up.   We, on the other hand, were busy doing what????

As far a Chinese immigration, or any other for that matter, I reiterate it is not about the country of origin, it needs to be about the individual.  I don't think ANY immigrant becomes a "real Canadian", but their children generally are.  Given the choice between a Chinese businessman who will bring not only his "immigrant entrepreneur" money (or whatever they are calling it today) but his business connections back to the largest real economy in the world (yes, stick the US BS where the sun don't shine: their economic measure is based largely on speculative value, not wealth creation) and the usual "economic refugee" who will not likely ever contribute diddly squat, but who WILL cost us a small fortune or the usual drug dealer from the Caribbean who will certainly be a busy little entrepreneur with all of our rich kids to sell to - and you can guess which one I will pick.   No, I don't like the politics of the Chicom Party, but I do recognize and appreciate that they have avoided becoming a closed society by trading with the rest of the world - that we in the developed West allowed and invited.   What I DO regret is that we did so diplomatically, but did NOT do anything in trade relations to protect OUR economy while turning China loose on a world that had no idea what was coming at them.

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On 3/31/2020 at 12:30 AM, Lee Teague said:

Oi! Now that's something I hadn't considered before ...

...yah you can also imagine all Chinese peeing at the same time creating a pee tsunami that wipes out BC.

Life is full of such  visions..shared by many...swarms of Chinese swallowing us up has clear psychological origins. Replace the word Chinese with Muslim, Indian, Syphlitic, Virus carrier, terrorist...people fear things they do not understand and turn these fears into demons that will come and eat them..it is manifestation of our basic primal fear of other packs.. time to stop crawling on all fours and spend more time shaving..no yellow monkeys will eat anyone today..this obsession with fearing the spread of a virus, Chinese, etc., is understandable but illogical..change comes...it of course frightens..but we have the ability to adapt to changes in a positive way..when the pee tsunami comes many West coasters will get on their surf boards and ride the wave..kowabunga..

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4 hours ago, cannuck said:

Yes it is amazing how easily the media swept under the table the weeks of foreign flights from hot spots landing in Canada without a single question being asked, never mind any kind of physical evaluation coming through customs.   Seems South Korea, Taiwan, Germany all managed to have adequate testing available with the first few cases turned up.   We, on the other hand, were busy doing what????

Is that really a surprise given how universally progressive the Canadian media is? I mean, with everyone from Justin Trudeau to Theresa Tam to John Tory wailing about racism and throwing themselves into every Chinese restaurant they could find to demonstrate to the ignorant herd that there was absolutely nothing to fear?

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

As far a Chinese immigration, or any other for that matter, I reiterate it is not about the country of origin, it needs to be about the individual.  I don't think ANY immigrant becomes a "real Canadian", but their children generally are. 

Unless they're in thrall to a world religion which preaches values and behaviour inimical to Canada's culture and values...

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

Given the choice between a Chinese businessman who will bring not only his "immigrant entrepreneur" money (or whatever they are calling it today) but his business connections back to the largest real economy in the world

Yes, yes, but how many of those Chinese businessmen are now "Canadians' while working out of their offices in Hong Kong or Shanghai, content to keep their passport in a wall-safe and use it only when needed, like when they want better health care or when they want their kids to go to school on someone else's dollar? And how many who do live here still carry on a lot of business with China, have family in China, and are thus required to do whatever the Chinese Communist Party tells them to? CSIS says virtually every Chinese language newspaper in Canada is controlled by men who might have Canadian passports, but  who only print stories cleared by the Chinese government censors.

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

  No, I don't like the politics of the Chicom Party, but I do recognize and appreciate that they have avoided becoming a closed society by trading with the rest of the world - that we in the developed West allowed and invited.

Because liberals presumed this would help reform them (it failed), and that they could be held to world trade standards, rules and laws(they ignored them). And how would you define a 'closed society' anyway, given their universal censorship of the internet, movies, books, televisions, newspapers and magazines? Not to mention their new social credit system combined with the kind of surveillance even Orwell didn't imagine.

 

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Having worked back and fourth to China for many years, I have a fair understanding and appreciation of what works for them.  Some of those things are abhorrent to Westerners, but compared with where it was in the Mao years, the whole world after Deng was a better place.   BUT: since the West was far too naive and understanding of Chinese culture, we left ourselves wide open for the resulting assault on our economies, our intellectual property and our politics.   I obviously can't speak for the tens of thousands of Chinese immigrants who are here, but I can relate the story of my best friend in China who, after years of our frequent exchanges in China and around the world, chose to move his family here from Beijing simply because he had learned enough from me to know how he wanted his son raised - as a Canadian, not as a Chinese or even a Chinese-Canadian.  He was co-top-dog of a government owned enterprise with 80,000 people under him, so certainly enjoyed the benefits of being one of the star performers in his field.   He walked away from that to become a small businessman in SK so his son could be a Canadian.   When we contemplate or negotiate doing anything within China, he resolutely steers the whole process AWAY from anything to do with government.  I can say with absolute certainty, the government of China is not "controlling" him in any way, nor could they.   While he may have turned his back on the country for his family's sake, that doesn't mean he has become their mortal enemy, but it does mean we have an extremely valuable asset in this country that FULLY understands everything there is to know about how government and business there works - ESSENTIAL if we are going to be able to deal with managing that relationship to our mutual benefit as we go forward.  The idea that we as a major resource nation can somehow ignore the fact that China is now the largest producing/manufacturing nation and now THE largest player in business finance is ludicrous.  Dealing with them from a point of ignorance, arrogance or complacency is similarly a very bad idea.   To do this effectively, we need to exploit the relationships with those who choose to be here, not to shun them from mistrust of their former homeland.

BTW:  I say all of this thinking back to how incredibly xenophobic Canada was in years gone by.  From IIRC 1918 to 1947 we had something called "the Exclusion Act".  My former business partner (now deceased, very sadly) was borne in the '30s to a Canadian father and Chinese mother.  His Father was unable to bring his wife and child here until 1952 (yes, took 5 more years after repeal of the Act).   He was able to do business with China all through the Mao years, mostly providing food from around the world after private farms were nationalized (and possibly over 100 MILLION Chinese were starved to death over nothing but ideology).

If we ever expect or want to grow up and behave like a mature state, we need to be nationalistic where it matters but not exclusive where it also matters.

Oh: after 3 years my friend's son has no hint of a Chinese accent and in pretty much every immaginable way is just like ever other Canadian kid you see every day.

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